Is cystoscopy a standard procedure prior to TURP?

Posted by jumpstart @jumpstart, Mar 31 6:39pm

I was scheduled to have a cystoscopy but I showed the Dr a kidney stone I passed the day before and the Dr said I didn’t need cystoscopy because the stone was causing the flow restriction, and he scheduled TURP coming up in April. And based on my CTUrology imaging studies my prostate is not enlarged, so I am wondering if it’s really my prostate or is it scar tissue in my urethra from giving birth to a kidney stone 20 years ago, which is when my flow issues became obvious and more recently over the last 5 years I have dealt with prostititis which was finally resolved by taking a 20 day course of nitrofurinol.(sp) My question is:
Should the Dr have performed the cystoscopy before scheduling TURP? Is that standard operating procedure? Should I ask him to perform a cystoscopy to make sure it’s actually my prostate and how would I word it seeing as I’m not a medical professional and I don’t want to offend my Dr.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Men's Health Support Group.

Cystoscopy means look (scopy) into the bladder (cyst = bladder/pouch). This is done while awake with some numbing gel into the urethra and takes 3-5 minutes. We haven't had to soundproof the walls in the clinic yet; it is very tolerable with > 99% patients not demanding the next cysto (commonly abbreviated like this) is done in the operating room. The main reason it is done is for men with blood in the urine of unknown cause (hematuria) to rule out bladder cancer, the 4th most common cancer in men.

Our urology guidelines tell us some type of characterization of the prostate should be done prior to TURP. This can include a CT, MRI or other imaging - so not everyone needs a cysto prior to TURP. If the urologist is worried about something else in the list of things that could be causing urinary symptoms like urethral narrowing or stricture or bladder stone a cysto in clinic is helpful. Some Urologists will want to do a cysto prior to help determine the best treatment approach trying to answer the ? Is there a prominent median lobe of the prostate etc.

All the best,

Dr Kohler
Professor of Urology
Head of Mayo Men's Health

REPLY
Profile picture for johnfailla1018 @johnfailla1018

I do not know what TURP stands for?
I had my 4th cystoscopy a month ago and have had nothing but problems. They started in 2016. I left the procedure last month with a catheter and bag in place that hurt so bad I spent 27 hours in a chair not moving or blinking. The catheter was the size of a #2 pencil. The bleeding was so bad right after the procedure when I got home, a sheriff would have been positive a homicide had taken place, or a calf had been butchered. The first three times resulted in having a decent stream and no problems save the horrifying pain of peeing for the following two days. Now....it takes a full 10 minutes to pee starting with drip drip drip for the first three minutes then a 30 second stream then drip drip drip. That is far from the nightmare where I now have incontinence while sleeping from 2AM to 7AM having an average of 4-soaked underwear within those 5-hours. Those 5-hour drenching's occur because I, thankfully, am able to get back to sleep after each clean-up episode. I sincerely have a fear of what the remedy might be. If you do not think you need this procedure...DO NOT DO IT!!!! If you're peeing OK, then stay away from having this done as it'll never be the last time! I wish I would have gotten three opinions before getting this radiation done in 2008.

Jump to this post

@johnfailla1018
It appears that you have a major issue if a cystoscopic procedure results in what you’re dealing with. I have had a cystoscopic done in Feb with little discomfort other than a bit of burning when I urinated just after the procedure. If your not seeing a urologist now, don,t wait have your issue investigated, you should not be suffering as you are.

REPLY
Profile picture for tkohler @tkohler

Cystoscopy means look (scopy) into the bladder (cyst = bladder/pouch). This is done while awake with some numbing gel into the urethra and takes 3-5 minutes. We haven't had to soundproof the walls in the clinic yet; it is very tolerable with > 99% patients not demanding the next cysto (commonly abbreviated like this) is done in the operating room. The main reason it is done is for men with blood in the urine of unknown cause (hematuria) to rule out bladder cancer, the 4th most common cancer in men.

Our urology guidelines tell us some type of characterization of the prostate should be done prior to TURP. This can include a CT, MRI or other imaging - so not everyone needs a cysto prior to TURP. If the urologist is worried about something else in the list of things that could be causing urinary symptoms like urethral narrowing or stricture or bladder stone a cysto in clinic is helpful. Some Urologists will want to do a cysto prior to help determine the best treatment approach trying to answer the ? Is there a prominent median lobe of the prostate etc.

All the best,

Dr Kohler
Professor of Urology
Head of Mayo Men's Health

Jump to this post

@tkohler

Hi Dr. Kohler,

Just a quick question: I had a urodynamic test done and found it to be extremely painful and experienced a lot of discomfort...probably due to a low-pain threshold. I have a cystoscopy procedure coming up in a few weeks. Do I have anything to fear in this regard? Can a patient get light sedation coupled with gobs of lidocaine? Thanks in advance!

REPLY
Profile picture for pconnection @pconnection

@tkohler

Hi Dr. Kohler,

Just a quick question: I had a urodynamic test done and found it to be extremely painful and experienced a lot of discomfort...probably due to a low-pain threshold. I have a cystoscopy procedure coming up in a few weeks. Do I have anything to fear in this regard? Can a patient get light sedation coupled with gobs of lidocaine? Thanks in advance!

Jump to this post

@pconnection I demanded to be put under for my cystoscopy! I have talked to friends who didn't go under and they said it was moderately painful, but not unbearable. I decided I wasn't trying to prove anything so why choose to experience any pain I don't have to. I got sedation by choice when I had a tooth pulled a few years back, so why not now, right. If you have medicare plus a plan G supplement, it will all be taken care of 100%. Good luck.

REPLY

I had two cystoscopies done and both times I requested sedation. Both urologists gave me nitros oxide(gas to inhale that you control). Medicare does not pay anything, but I was happy to pay the $100. It worked great!

REPLY
Profile picture for fireman123 @fireman123

@pconnection I demanded to be put under for my cystoscopy! I have talked to friends who didn't go under and they said it was moderately painful, but not unbearable. I decided I wasn't trying to prove anything so why choose to experience any pain I don't have to. I got sedation by choice when I had a tooth pulled a few years back, so why not now, right. If you have medicare plus a plan G supplement, it will all be taken care of 100%. Good luck.

Jump to this post

@fireman123 Not sure what your experience has been for a cystoscopic procedure but I have had three and except for a bit of “burning” with my first urination it was no big deal. I would rather be awake and see the procedure on the monitor. It helped me understand how the urethra was being squeezed by the prostate, fascinating for someone whose never seen the inside of the plumbing.

REPLY
Profile picture for grandmira @grandmira

@fireman123 Not sure what your experience has been for a cystoscopic procedure but I have had three and except for a bit of “burning” with my first urination it was no big deal. I would rather be awake and see the procedure on the monitor. It helped me understand how the urethra was being squeezed by the prostate, fascinating for someone whose never seen the inside of the plumbing.

Jump to this post

@grandmira Well, I have actually only had one done. My fear comes from a previous TURP I had years ago. I was sent home and told I could just remove the catheter the next day at home. My wife helped me, and just before it got completely out, it hung. All fluid expelled from the bulb, but it would not come out. I put a washrag in my mouth and told her to just pull for all she was worth. The most intense pain I have ever felt in my life, and I have had a lot. Bled a bit and had to go back to an ER the next day because I could not pee(that is a whole nother story). I now get the ebeegeebees just thinking of anything going in me that route! I may just be getting soft painwise in my old age, but it just ain't for me. BTW. My TURP worked pretty well 10 years ago, the PAE I had 1 year ago did nothing, and lastly this aquablation has worked the best.

REPLY
Profile picture for fireman123 @fireman123

@grandmira Well, I have actually only had one done. My fear comes from a previous TURP I had years ago. I was sent home and told I could just remove the catheter the next day at home. My wife helped me, and just before it got completely out, it hung. All fluid expelled from the bulb, but it would not come out. I put a washrag in my mouth and told her to just pull for all she was worth. The most intense pain I have ever felt in my life, and I have had a lot. Bled a bit and had to go back to an ER the next day because I could not pee(that is a whole nother story). I now get the ebeegeebees just thinking of anything going in me that route! I may just be getting soft painwise in my old age, but it just ain't for me. BTW. My TURP worked pretty well 10 years ago, the PAE I had 1 year ago did nothing, and lastly this aquablation has worked the best.

Jump to this post

@fireman123 sounds like you went to hell and back. That procedure should never have that outcome unless one has u turns the rest of don’t. I can see why you would be reluctant to have any procedure. Best of luck in ant future procedures and thank you for sharing that horrendous experience.

REPLY

I have a cytoscopy with Dr Kohler in October. I'm inclined not to do anything further that's invasive based on how things are now.

REPLY

Reading these articles on some men’s experience with cystoscopy begs the question as to what if anything is being told to patients prior to the procedure. I personally had had three, the first when I was 18, that one was unforgettable in of itself. The other two within the last ten years. I don’t believe men should forego this diagnostic procedure as there is a wealth of info a urologist gleans from it. I don’t say it’s not without some discomfort which should be mild unless there is an underlying issue not readily apparent until the scope is in.

REPLY
Please sign in or register to post a reply.