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Insomnia and depression

Posted by @iraku in Brain & Nervous System, Jun 21, 2012

I have noticed after the anti-depressant kicks in my insomnia has been slowly increasing. I feel wide awake for some period and then becoming so tired and thought that I could sleep but then when the light is off and I just slowly back to becoming wide awake again. I usually unable to sleep around mid night, the usual hour that I can fall asleep will moving away from 3 am to later and later. No matter how I tried to tired myself out and go to bed at normal hour, it won't happen. Please help!

Tags: mental health, sleep problems

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piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 21, 2012

Hi Iraku, Try going to bed later at night and have a warm drink. I have warm milk and honey, You can get sleepy teas as well . Also try not to worry when you can't sleep. I'm not a good sleeper I average about 3-4 hours a night. T he more you lay there thinking about not sleeping the worse it can become. I also find that reading a book can help as well, Hope this has helped a little Hugs Piglit I also find that lavender creams oils etc can help you to relax x0

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 22, 2012

I've tried everything. Nothing helps...

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 22, 2012

Just try to relax sweetie the more you worry it won't help you x0

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 22, 2012

I'm not worry about anything, Piglit. My mind is mostly blank .... I'm going to talk to a doctor today. There's a new doctor at the pharmacy, I will try out.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 22, 2012

Maybe a good idea let me know how you get along always here anytime you need me Hugs

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iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 22, 2012

Sleeping pill isn't even working on me. I do have excessive sleep during the day. I have never before able to sleep more than 7 hours continuously but now sleep during the day is something so easily done. Sometime I went to bed by 9 pm and hope to have a good long sleep, I would be awake at mid night for no reason and this annoying pattern continues. The problem of the time I'm not sleeping too that I feel my brain is suspended, I can't think clear, while I was doing my engineering degree I can not calculate, I can not read, the brain isn't registered any information...my brain shut down but my body still going but not fully functioning. It's like a zombie just sit and stir at the screen or stir at the tv ...I usually put on some dvd and let it runs and set the shut down time so I'd be unconscious at some point. I tried to not sleeping until the time that I want to be in bed. It still happens. I can not go to bed at the normal bed time and this is very frustrating.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 22, 2012

If your sleeping during the day you won't sleep at night sweetie. You have to try to stay awake during the day and keep yourself busy during the day to turn your bodyclock around x0

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 22, 2012

I did and it's not working and that's why I'm seeking help ...thanks Piglit. xo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 22, 2012

Let me know how you get along Talk soon Piglit xo

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 22, 2012

Well I got prescribed with Circadin for now and my blood pressure is high so I have to monitoring it. Thanks for your care Piglit, Hugs xo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 22, 2012

Hi Iraku take care here if you need me Hugs Piglitx0

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bettyann

Posted by @bettyann, Jun 22, 2012

Hi Iraku,
Is there a possibility you could take your anti-depressant at a different time? Maybe talk to your doctor about this.
Its true, like PIglet said, try not to 'worry' about it ... the more you do, the worse it will get. I've gone through this, too, and LIVED through it!! πŸ™‚ People go through this without taking anti depressants.
There are times when I just plain had to Let It All Go... I keep a radio at my bedside (usually listen to Coast to Coast...which here in Denver, goes on from 10PM to 3AM...that distracts my mind, because 'soft soothing music' just doesn't work!
I have had 'sleep problems' for years. I do ok with just 6 hrs of sleep a night... everyone is different. I use 1/2 tab of Unisom or Benedryl every nite...and usually go to bed at 11PM. But I am retired, so its all ok... I know if you have a daytime job its different. We are all different in our needs for sleep. You will be OK! πŸ™‚
The more you move about, and get some exercise, the better you sleep. Anyway, that is my experience.

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iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 23, 2012

Hi Bettyann, thank you for all the care and advice. It's good to be reminded of all simple things from time to time. πŸ™‚

I am on the changing of medication process. I'm taking another step down before the new med replacing. The doctor I saw yesterday gave me Circadin and I'll see how it goes. I'm about to get out and take a long walk for today exercise. Being on anti-depressant helps, I actually see the different. It's the first time in my life to feel that when I have no depression ...this is it. I want to be free from the anti-depressant in the future but for now I will need it ...

Glad to see you again. πŸ™‚
Araya

bettyann

Posted by @bettyann, Jun 23, 2012

Sounds like a whole of GOOD THINGS are happening for you! Yay!! With your determination (which you have!) I know the right thing will happen at the right time! πŸ™‚ Somehow it will all fall into place. (and thank you πŸ™‚

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iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 25, 2012

Thank you for your encouragement Bettyann, it means a lot. πŸ™‚

roxie43

Posted by @roxie43, Jun 22, 2012

Hi Iraku,
You are not alone. I have had insomnia for year's and it's not fun. It gets even worse when the depression gets worse and although I have been prescribed sleep medications none of them really work. Lately, I have been taking daily walks to try to tire myself out but I go to bed and wake up thinking of the events of this past year and no matter how tired I feel I still wake up during the night. I don't know what it's like to have uninterupted sleep.. I wish I could.
I am proud of you for posting your own discussion! It's a very good topic.
Hugs,
Rox

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joanneo

Posted by @joanneo, Jun 22, 2012

Hi iraku have u tried some form of exercise or meditation that helps sometimes. Keep the faith. Jodi

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 23, 2012

Hi Jodi, I did some meditation...with the exercise right now my body isn't recovered from the fatigue well enough to do much so that's doesn't help. It works fine when the insomnia isn't get to its peak. Once that hits the scale nothing I could do to get to sleep. Thank you for your reply. πŸ™‚

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 23, 2012

Hi Roxie, it takes an extreme case of helplessness for me to really feel that I should get some attention. Regarding the pills...oh my ...I am now start to get used to Tamaze and that's quite severe. This new local doctor wrote me Circadin which is melatonin formulate, I took it for the first time last night and it works well. I don't know how long it will last but I'm trying to help the med by stick with a healthy lifestyle ... I believe there's a direct relation to my abused history I told the doctor that too. He also will get me some helps with snoring. I snore myself awake, last night even with the pill I woke up a few time in the morning from it.

Thanks so much for the reply, hugs.
xo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 23, 2012

Hi iraku how are you feeling a little better I hope with a more restful night Hugs Annie

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 23, 2012

Yup much nicer when the sleep is on ... but my body was aching all over this morning after the good rest. I'm taking it a little slow and make sure I can sleep every night. hugs xo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 23, 2012

Good news will keep you in my thoughts and prayers that it continues for you my dear friend Hugs Annie x0

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joanneo

Posted by @joanneo, Jun 23, 2012

Hi. Iraku any sleep last night been thinking of u. Jodi

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 23, 2012

Hi Jodi, the first night with medication was great as I really needed that. The second night was a little harder but still quite acceptable I don't need to try to sleep but I still dreaming that I tried to wake up but I can't. It might be the snoring tried to wake me up. πŸ˜›

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 23, 2012

Hi iraku at least your getting a little more rest than you did

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 24, 2012

True Piglit, I had another good night sleep too last night. Now I will have to keep up with stay awake. I was at the point of no use by 5 pm and my body was aching badly.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 24, 2012

Hi iraku that's good news that you had another good night's sleep. I'm off to the dr today because I'm not sleeping about 6hours over the last 48hrs Take care piglit

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 24, 2012

Hope you get some helps from the doctor, take care xo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 24, 2012

I'm sure I will i've been with the same dr for many years since i was a teenager. He's very understanding and caring Hugs xo

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iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 27, 2012

That's very good and very helpful to have a doctor who knows you. I am now looking for a new doctor and this one seems ok. finger crosses...

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 27, 2012

I hope that this is a good dr for you it really does make a difference

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 25, 2012

I have been fully awake from the morning and won't have any nap during the day for 3 days now and it gets more difficult each day. The pills are working wonderfully though. My blood pressure is at stage 1 hypertension. I'm not sure what that means but it's not a good place to be surely.

joanneo

Posted by @joanneo, Jun 25, 2012

Hi iraku praying for u every day stay well my friend. Jodi

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iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 25, 2012

Thank you Jodi. πŸ™‚

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 25, 2012

It's a real problem isn't it it was more within the noraml range two days ago and yesterday back up again. You try and rest to Thanks for caring so much your a dear friend Hugs xo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 25, 2012

Hi iraku went to the dr's yesterday as you know the blood pressure is still up, so keeping on the medication probably forever know and back to work hopefully next week. How are you going? Hugs xo

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 25, 2012

Hi Piglit, I'm having the same problem with the blood pressure. I need to record the reading for sometime before anything can be done. I hope you have a good rest before next week. hugs xo

joanneo

Posted by @joanneo, Jun 26, 2012

Dont forget to keep a record of it have a good nights sleep tonight take care of yourself. We need each other all of us let me know if I can help in any way. I can pray pretty good and I listen real good. Anyway. Have fun

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joanneo

Posted by @joanneo, Jun 25, 2012

Hi piglet are u happy about going back to work? If u are it might help the blood pressure. You need to try to relax and try to let things roll off your shoulders. Easier said than done right? You have to put yourself first or u wont be able to help anyone else hugs jodi

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 26, 2012

Hi Jodi. I am looking forward to going back to work although a bit nervous as I've had alot of time off and just want to be able to do my work that I love so much. Your'e right it will help the blood pressure it's still up but if i rest it will be okay I hope. To keep one;s mind of themselves is a good thing so I'm sure it will be a definite positive. My work has reorganized my work to be more structured for me, I'll be doing less physical and more respite care. Thanks for always being there for me needed a friend today Hugs Piglit

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lain59

Posted by @lain59, Jun 26, 2012

How is everyone else?

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 26, 2012

I'm okay thanks for caring Back to work next week blood pressure still high Take care xo

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 27, 2012

I have plenty of sleep but still feel tired. This new melatonin tablets are good. I don't know yet how would it be when I'm off them but for now I'm happy I could train my body to learn when to sleep. Now I can really focus on the tiredness and see what cause it when I have been sleeping well.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 27, 2012

I have had a couple of better nights sleep to through increasing medication though x

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 27, 2012

For now sleep is a need for body to function. Be gentle to yourself . hugsxoxo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 27, 2012

You too try to get some rest x0

lain59

Posted by @lain59, Jun 26, 2012

Another horrid thing is the lack of sleep, anxiety/depression like a roller coaster. So alone.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 26, 2012

Hi Iain59 lack of sleep is not good and I know exactly about that rollecoaster been on and off it for many years. Try to get some rest if you can I know it;s so hard for you. Remember sweetie that your'e not alone I'm here anytime you need me as others are too for you Hugs Piglit

lain59

Posted by @lain59, Jun 26, 2012

Thanks. I cannot find any help here. None.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 26, 2012

Have you tried sweetie within the areas further from where you live

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 27, 2012

Are you on any anti-depressants, Iain59?

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 25, 2012

After a few good night sleeps I am trying to train myself to stay up full time. I did not have even a lay down and rest during the day at all. I had one long walk on Saturday, only did one hour of tutoring lesson on Sunday. Being out
and about with not much of any physical activity. So far things are ok.

Last night, I have been triggered by some feedback on a discussion with my friend on his facebook status and his friend who might have felt offended by my comments.

Anyway, the way I was asking to provide a further evidence to
back up my statement was quite intimidating. I was right away went into my fear. The whole drama in my head went on and got into deepest fear I had recalled from my own abused history. I felt too much of a shame and felt that ending
my life would be the best solution for all this mess according to how my own mother would reinforced again and again that I am not a good enough person and I caused her pain. I had an emotional breakdown and was crying myself to sleep.

I called my boyfriend for a support and he tried to calm me down. I tried to get some sleep and managed a 5 hours sleep. I didn't remember much once I slowly waking up this morning but slowly everything recalled and I just came back online and am sorting out the mess.

There was another person on my friend's discussion tried to smooth out the conversation and that helps. I felt a bit more settle with my interaction with others. I'm feeling ok. My friend sent me a personal message and attempted to
take my mind off the conflict. I knew he is a good friend and that was the initial reason for me to be able to interact in the discussion in the first place.

I might go and see my local doctor who prescribed me the sleeping medication. He may be able to help me since I believe that it was the chronic fatigue that cause my emotional breakdown. I have never get a chance to be closer
to my GP and that's difficult. I'm starting to feel the headache and it's getting quite annoying now. I should be off line and getting on with my day now.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 25, 2012

Hi Iraku so sorry that youv'e had this upset. Just always remember that when we have experienced trauma in our lives that certain things will set off a trigger. Just try to keep positive and I would go and see the dr and have a good chat. I too have had many a flashback and they can be scarey I fully understand the way you feel. Try to stay calm my dear friend as your blood pressure will not come down if you don't try to relax. Always here anytime for you Hugs Piglit x0

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iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 27, 2012

Yesterday my blood pressure came down and I feel relief. Today I went for a blood test as my doctor wants to check out what causing my tiredness. It's been 3 hours since I awake, my energy has just drop to the low again, feeling drowsy and aching shoulder. i hate this feeling.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 27, 2012

Good about the blood pressure though mine was still on the up getting it checked today Hugs xo

china

Posted by @china, Jun 26, 2012

no naps help me.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 26, 2012

I find that too if Itry to sleep during the day it really upsets the sleep for me

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 27, 2012

Yes but I'm very very tired...not much I could do especially reading or thinking...then I'm aching. I'm not very functioning well but I'm stick with the normal hour bedtime pattern here.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 27, 2012

Good idea to stay with the same sleep routine it seems to be working for you .x0

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 27, 2012

Yes Piglit. I know that my body resisting it but it can't win the tablets. πŸ™‚ How are you?

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 27, 2012

I'm okay just tired. Going to have blood pressure checked in a little while.

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 27, 2012

Take it easy love. xoxo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 27, 2012

You too my dear friend xoxo

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 30, 2012

Has no nap at all since taking the sleeping melatonin. I know that my body is trying to resist it but I'm going ok for now. πŸ™‚

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 30, 2012

That's good news Iraku glad that it's working well for you and thanks for the coffee x0

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 30, 2012

Your welcome Piglit, hope you have a great Sunday. xo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jul 1, 2012

You enjoy your Sunday too I.m going for a walk soon. x0

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 27, 2012

I had about 6 and a half hours sleep last night. I went to have a blood test too for the doctor wants to check why I'm tired. The blood test result should be ready in two days... I went to bed last night find it hard to sleep and I was aching a lot. This is the trouble I found when I have a full day of light activity, I did some gentle exercise in the morning It seems to help a bit with muscle pain when I'm sitting for a long time in front of computer (a few hours period). I'm going to do more of that today.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 27, 2012

Glad thay you got some sleep that's a positive. I had a reasonable sleep too. Maybe rest a little more today if your body's aching until you get the blood test results Hugsx0

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 28, 2012

Thanks Piglit, yeah I'm taking it very easy. I will have acupuncture this afternoon and that should be good. Stay well, hugs xoxo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 28, 2012

No worries do you find that the acupunture helps you. Take care hugs Piglit

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 28, 2012

Acupuncture helps with aching so it helps when I can't sleep because of it. I'm trying to see how much it will have an impact on my fatigue. It may need sometime to see the result.

My hypothesis on the needles is that because it's a foreign object and it's conductive so when we have those needles into our muscle. The nerve cells are sending forth the signal to our brain and that creates the flows of the transmission between them. I could feel the pain increases and decreases, sometime the feeling of relaxation too. It's definitely have a direct impact to the nervous system in our body.

How're you today?

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 28, 2012

I.m okay thanks feeling alot better than I have been x0

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iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 28, 2012

I think the body training is going well so far. I am still feel tired even though I have done not much during the day. I did some light exercise for 20 mins in the last two days. It helps with feeling a bit more flexible on my body but it definitely increasing my fatigue by the end of each day and when that happens my body seems to not able to rest. The medication is working well. I got 6 hours sleep and woken up by noise this morning and could not get back to sleep. I know that the sleeping is under the medication control and yet to be running by my physical respond to the sleeping time. I'm happy with the progress at this stage. Got to go and see the doctor now it's the blood test results from two days ago. I told there's nothing urgent but the doctor still wants to discuss about it.

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 29, 2012

Nothing new....lose weight before talking about other problems. Typical solutions for everything to most doctor this day. I have tried to lose weight since I was a little bit overweight and now it's beyond manageable...what hope do I have now. So I'm on my own if the weight is the doctor concern rather than the problem that I am facing since I was skinny!

This also triggered something deep in the abusive history too, my mother told me to lose weight since I was 16 and my weight was 48 kg. Today I weight 82 kg still have to lose weight... fml. I hate that word.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 29, 2012

Just eat healthy. I have found that I had to loose weight and am eating more fruit and veggies and it's helping. As long as you feel happy within yourself is the main thing. Take care Hugs

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iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jun 29, 2012

Yes I am always on a very healthy diet. The depression leads me to an unhealthy diet when I could not looking after myself very well. My weight is really stable. I have been eating healthier lately so I'm going to keep that up. πŸ™‚ Thanks Piglit, hugs. xo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 29, 2012

I am too my blood pressure and chlosterol gave me a scare. Hugs back x0

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jun 29, 2012

Hope all is well with the results. Let me know how you get along x0

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 1, 2012

I had a long day Saturday, was tired and find it hard to go to sleep. Then woke up this morning from 6 hrs sleep with lots of ache and pain. Now I have a massive headache that can hardly feel the panadols is working, accompany by a small breakdown. I cried and whined a little bit just to make myself feel better. It's slowly getting better now. I'm going to have to take it really easy.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jul 1, 2012

Try to rest and I hope that you feel brighter soon. Were the blood tests results okay x0

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 1, 2012

Cholesterol is a little problem there ...so I'm watching out for that. I had all the three flu virus that are around ...no drama. How's work today Piglit?

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jul 1, 2012

Hi iraku back to work this week and looking forward to it. Take care of the chlosterol eat low fat things thats what I',m doing and it seems to be working well.
Take care talk soon Hugs xo

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 2, 2012

Have fun at work and don't forget to take a really good care. hugs xoxo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jul 2, 2012

I will and I will take care and a big thank you for caring about me hugs backx0

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jul 3, 2012

Hi iraku I survived my first day back at work. Just a big thank you for all your support each and everyday Hugs Piglit xo How are you feeling

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 4, 2012

Yay!!! Well done my friend! I'm ok today ...yesterday I had fatigue and rested all day so today I'm better. πŸ™‚ keep warm and take care ....thanks for letting me know about how you go at work. xo

roxie43

Posted by @roxie43, Jul 3, 2012

Dear Iraku and Friends,
I hope you are all feeling better. You have been in my thoughts.
Hugs

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piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jul 3, 2012

I hope that you are feeling better too Rox
Hugs Piglit

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 4, 2012

Yay!!! Well done my friend! I'm ok today ...yesterday I had fatigue and rested all day so today I'm better. πŸ™‚ keep warm and take care ....thanks for letting me know about how you go at work. xo

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 4, 2012

Yay!!! Well done my friend! I'm ok today ...yesterday I had fatigue and rested all day so today I'm better. πŸ™‚ keep warm and take care ....thanks for letting me know about how you go at work. xo

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jul 4, 2012

Thanks iraku knew that you'd be pleased and proud of me x0

roxie43

Posted by @roxie43, Jul 5, 2012

Very very proud of you for not giving up..
Hugs

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piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jul 5, 2012

Thanks my dear friend
Hugs

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 5, 2012

Hi Roxie, glad to see you around ...I'm so tired today and it has been a few times this week. CFS sucks.

roxie43

Posted by @roxie43, Jul 5, 2012

Hi Iraku,
It's been challenging as of late but I am ok. It sucks having anything that makes us feel bad. Hang in there sweetie..
Hugs

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china

Posted by @china, Jul 3, 2012

b4 I moved back home my sleep was bad. Its not perfect but its better. Stress can def hinder sleep patterns n boy o boy was I stressed northeast.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jul 3, 2012

so true stress can effect your sleep

bettyann

Posted by @bettyann, Jul 10, 2012

Hi Annie, I wrote to you but it wouldn't send. I hope all is well.

roxie43

Posted by @roxie43, Jul 10, 2012

Hi Ladies,
I hope all is well

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 6, 2012

This week has been quite tough physically. I tried to keep up with activities and stay on the high but every second day I woke up with aches and tiredness. On Monday acupuncture wasn't quite relaxing but painful so on Thursday Dr Lau left those fatigue points alone. I felt quite relaxing and feel less pain. I still feel the need to rest and don't think pushing myself physically would be a good idea. I will do my meditation and a light exercise a little later.

piglit

Posted by @piglit, Jul 6, 2012

Hi Iraku I have had acupunture and felt pain too it's good to stop if it hurts. Your body is telling you to rest so try and do this my friend Hugs Anniex0

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 6, 2012

Thanks Annie ...you have a great day my dear. hugs xoxo

china

Posted by @china, Jul 6, 2012

sun helps me soooo much. Miami heat helps u with sleep and sadness. I moved back n feel better

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 6, 2012

Glad you feel better with the move China. Warm weather helps since our body don't need so much energy to keep ourselves warm...The cold also bad for my arthritis too.

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lovinjesus

Posted by @lovinjesus, Jul 8, 2012

I am curious about acupuncture. Does it really work? I have been wanting to try it for years but have never been able to afford it. I have tried everthing else. I am getting help from an Herbalist right now. I'm praying it works. If not, maybe I can try acupuncture. Thanks, LovinJesus

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 8, 2012

Hi LovinJesus, The acupuncture I go to is a qualified doctor. I do believe that not every acupuncture knows the healing. This also covered by medicare so I don't have to pay for the service just like seeing a GP. At first, I want to try if it could helps with the pain on my legs and it works brilliantly. I am now working on the fatigue but it's too soon to tell. I hope you find something that helps.

cbahoskie

Posted by @cbahoskie, Jul 9, 2012

Acupuncture might work in some by stimulating the release of nerve endings on small blood vessels of a chemical that causes the small blood vessels to dilate and thereby deliver more blood to the tissue, eg, muscle, thereby relieving some muscle aches caused by spasm of the small blood vessels. Aerobic exercise might help do the same thing by "stressing" the tissues for lack of oxygen, thereby causing the release of natural substances (eg heat shock proteins) by the body that positively affect blood flow in small blood vessels. This results in a pre-conditoning of the body to a tendency for the small blood vessels to "clamp down" as the result of physical and mental stressors. On the other hand depression enhances the body's tendency to have small blood vessels spasm and thereby cause not so nice "downsream effects".

lovinjesus

Posted by @lovinjesus, Jul 9, 2012

Oh my, you are very knowledgeable yet made it simple for me to understand. Thank you so much. I will have to warm up on the exercises first because have very weak muscles and I pull them often, then I have to have pain and inflamatory medication with muscle relaxers. That tells me (I think) that I desperately need to srat exercising. Thank you so very much. Your response is much appreciated. Gerri

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 9, 2012

True about exercise, the doctor who is my acupuncture suggests that too. The aching from arthritis seems to be quite overwhelming sometime that it's too painful to exercise so when the acupuncture works that is when exercise is a must. I do more and more exercise than the earlier time of CFS ...I do need to take it step by step too. I'm dreaded thinking about becoming depress again because I don't listen to my body. It gets very complicated when depression is involved. I focus on the depression first of all and now it's stable so I am able to set everything else straight. πŸ™‚

cbahoskie

Posted by @cbahoskie, Jul 10, 2012

Lets assume that you have "aching' that is coming from small blood vessel spasm, at least in part. This small blood vessel spasm could be "neurovascular" in origin with a nerve going to a small blood vessel (magnified by the millions of small blood vessels in actuality) that undergoes spasm, thereby limiting blood flow to the tissue (eg, muscle, tendon, other soft tissue, bone....etc) and thereby causing limitation of blood flow to the tissue. Patients with diabetes have "neurovascular causes" of their severe foot pain. One treatment efficacious for the neurovascular pain of diabetes that MIGHT be worthwhile trying is Benfotiamine, a fat soluble derivative of thiamine. Benfotiamine was synthesized in Germany ~60 years ago and has been shown in randomized control trials to treat the very painful peripheral neuropathy of some patients with diabetes and this neurovascular complication. Benfotiamine MIGHT be worthwhile trying at a dose of 300 mg (it comes in 150 mg caps) twice a day for a total daily dose of 600 mg. Benfotiamine as studied by the Germans and so far confirmed in US clinical trials has no known side effect though like even placebos "side effects" have been reported by individual patients. Consider identifying a reputable source and consider a trial of this over the counter agent. It works by facilitating the movement of thiamine into the inside of the cell (lining blood vessels and neurons). Inside the cell it is converted into a "cofactor" of an enzyme called Transketolase. Transketolase acts (via use of its cofactors thiamine pyrophosphate and magnesium) to shunt otherwise destructive glucose metabolites into productive versus non-productive pathways. So, a "non-productive pathway" could be: glucose metabolite --> oxidtive stress --> endothelial dysfunction --> microvascular dysfunction --> regional blood flow abnormality (eg restriction of blood flow to a muscle or group of muslces) --> "downstream pathologies" as diabetic painful peripheral neuropathy, severe unexplained muscle cramps, restless legs, gastroparesis, some forms of sleep apnea, kidney dysfunction, retinopathy, microvascular angina (especially in women as per Mayo Clinic Journal review article). Look up "Benfotiamine" in pubmed for more info on the latest possible therapeutic possibilities of Benfotiamine. By the way Benfotiamine does not in humans cross the blood brain barrier - another thiamine derivative synthesized in Japan, Allithiamine - Allicin + Thiamine found naturally in garlic does cross the blood brain barrier. Some individuals with unknown causes of pain can benefit by taking Benfotiamine that does negate the "non-productive pathway" above. Worth a potential "self-trial" after you do a thorough analysis of pubmed articles on Benfotiamine.

lovinjesus

Posted by @lovinjesus, Jul 9, 2012

Iraku, thank you very much for the information. I am nt wrking now, I took early retirement but not old enough yet to get Medicare (or Medicade, which ever one it is) and my husband makes little money now, (economy stinks) so I just have to wait. However, cbahoskie explained a lot of thins to me that would involve arobics and I have to work my way moderately up to doing them but that I will try. I have very weak muscles, depression, anxiety attacks and more, so I need to work on one at a time. I am determined to get well. I am 63 and I look back 3 years ago and I had energy and I exercised. It seems like I just don't care anymore because I have just been strong to long, but I am coming back fighting. I do not want to be unhealthy and I do not want to depend on anyone to take care of me. Mu husbad is not the type to be burdened by anyone, even me. But God understands. Be Blessed, Gerri

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 9, 2012

Hi Gerri, I know how that feels totally. I felt exactly the same way about need to work on one at a time. I felt my body has been used up before its time. Good positive thinking towards life helps a LOT! I'm trying not to let it gets me but slowly recover from it. Good to hear more about you and God bless.

lovinjesus

Posted by @lovinjesus, Jul 9, 2012

Hi Iraku, how was yoour day today? I pray you get some relief. I had a great day today. I was going to start an exercise program today but I felt so good that I cleaned my bathroom and the workout room. I don't have a bedroom, I sleep in a recliner. MY H has the bedroom; he is a narsissist so I could not take any more of his verbal abuse and I moved out of his bedroom. We have a htree bedroom house but I made one room a make-up/sewing/prayer room. The other room I made into a workout room so I guess when I get bedroom furn. I will make me a bedroom. Anyway, I said all that to say this. The antidepressants, pain pills, muscle relaxers, etc. are because of the mental/action abuse I am sure. I was very healthy when I met him and when we got married, I got sick and I'm still sick. Since I know the culprit, I can regain my health with God's help. He is my strenght anyway, that waht he says in the Bible. I'm 63, a little to old to leave my H and go out on my own and afterall, my income is early retire, just a little over 600.00 a month, so who can start over on that. So.....I have decided to work on me, get me fixed and see what happens. I have come to believe (since yesterday) that I am a winner and I will make it. Uou can too. Fight for your health. Confess you will get better, confess you will be well and confess that you are a winnerand no one nor anything can hold you down. You CAN make it.

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 10, 2012

Hi Gerri, I'm waking up with much tiredness but it gets better when I move around and do stuff. It's an unfortunate about your husband behaviour. I really hope that you are taking care of yourself first and find some help. Living under abuse is a nightmare I really believe that your husband also needs to find someone to talk to, someone professional to help him. Have a great day, Gerri, hang in there ....you are in my prayers.

lovinjesus

Posted by @lovinjesus, Jul 11, 2012

Aweeeee, thank you Iraku. However, when someone has it in their mind that they are right and they will not be honest with theirself or anyone else, you can't help them. We went to my husband's pastor once (I did not attend there because the people were stuffy and arrogant) for councelling and I sat there and cried and pourd my heart out, litterally emptied it, and when it was my husbands turn he said, Well, I admit I have a shot fuse!! His pastor said, Ok, OK, that's enough of that. We all have that. he would not allow my husband to say anymore. Why? Because he knew my husbands temper and he did not want him mad at him because he would lose a member and tithe money. LOL. So much for that! I humiliated myself theroughly. I never went back. Oh, I still smile. Jesus did not say I would not go through these things, HE said, I will never leave you nor forsake you. HE walks though them with me so I hve peace in the midst of trouble. Keep smiling my friend.

iraku

Posted by @iraku, Jul 11, 2012

Oh well then it's hopeless if one's mind and body stuck with a wrong follower like that! This makes me wonder where is kindness or love as it said in the bible....God will taking care of you that I'm sure of. πŸ™‚

cbahoskie

Posted by @cbahoskie, Jul 9, 2012

For "tiredness' consider CoQ10 100 mg after a meal containing black pepper that contains a chemical, piperine, that helps with with the absorption of CoQ10. Also piperine is a non-specific monoamine oxiase inhibitor that has anti-depressant activity itself. BUT do not load yourself up with piperine in its over-the-counter very potent form. Then you might have interactions with medications, over the counters and alcohol that could greatly increase your blood pressure. It is hard to "overdose" on black pepper, except as pertains to your tummy. CoQ10 is a natural substance used by the body to generate energy in mitochondria. Sometimes "aches" might originate in small blood vessels more likely to spasm if depleted in CoQ10. Black pepper in a meal before taking CoQ10 can increase absorption into the body of the CoQ10 by about 130%. You thereby get more for your money.

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