Humidifier for dry air

Posted by cwal @cwal, Nov 29, 2023

In winter with the heat on, the air gets very dry in the house. This dries out my nose and sinus so badly sometimes I get sinus headaches. Is it safe to use a humidifier in a room to help if I use distilled water?

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@cate123456 Dry can wreak havoc on sinuses (and skin!) Humidification really helps. I've used Xclear spray also, helpful for sinus headaches, and available on Amazon.

Since the topic of sinus headaches came up -- I had a killer of a sinus headache that seemed to be impacting my ear. When my doctor looked in my ear no infection. I would have sworn otherwise. Long story short, I was experiencing TMJ pain, which I attributed to my sinuses. It seems gripping the nebulizer mouth piece between my teeth is not a good idea!

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I was also gripping the nebulizer with my teeth, using both hands to play games on my phone to kill time. I have always had a crooked front tooth, but I just realized that the tooth was becoming more twisted thanks to the nebulizer. I agree, definitely not a good idea.

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I asked my pulmo and she said it’s safer not to use humidifier. She said hang a wet towel in the room if we want some humidity… I think you’d have to super clean out every nook and cranny in the humidifier if used.
I have 2 brand new humidifiers that I’m afraid to use now and haven't tried hanging the wet towel yet. I know there were past threads on this site in the past so you may be able to search for them.

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@rbl

I asked my pulmo and she said it’s safer not to use humidifier. She said hang a wet towel in the room if we want some humidity… I think you’d have to super clean out every nook and cranny in the humidifier if used.
I have 2 brand new humidifiers that I’m afraid to use now and haven't tried hanging the wet towel yet. I know there were past threads on this site in the past so you may be able to search for them.

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From the expert on all things NTM/mycobacteria (a snipping from his research paper, Dr. Joseph Falkinham). Bottomline - YES - we can use humidifiers safely. Choose evaporative humidifiers.

"Room-Size Humidifiers. Small, room-size humidifiers can generate aerosols with high numbers of NTM; even from reservoir water containing relatively low numbers of NTM (500 CFU/mL). In particular, the new ultrasonic humidifiers generate a high density aerosol mist that are rich in NTM (Hamilton and Falkinham, 2018). If you need to humidify your air (especially during winter), only use a room evaporative humidifier. Evaporative humidifiers boil water and the mist is blown by a fan or simply rises. Boiling will kill any NTM or bacterial cells and thereby be relatively free of NTM. The ultrasonic humidifiers do not heat the water, but use ultrasonic vibration to produce aerosol droplets. If a room-size humidifier blows water through a wetted filter (called an evaporative humidifier), don’t use it as the water wetting the filter will have NTM that can be aerosolized.

Remember that NTM will grow in biofilms in the humidifier’s water reservoir. Therefore, scrub the surface of the reservoir before refilling to reduce the number of NTM and other waterborne pathogens in the biofilm. I suggest you use a bathroom scrubbing agent. You can even disinfect the reservoir by adding Clorox® (1 cup to 10 cups water) for 30 min. Then be sure to rinse repeatedly until you can’t smell the chlorine before use."

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Is it safe to put a pan of water inside a warm air furnace register or duct?

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@cwal Here's the advice from the NTM expert researcher, Joseph O. Falkinham, III Ph.D. I cut and paste the pertinent parts from his latest research (2021) . Once you read it you can make an informed decision. Net net: a HOT water steam vaporizer properly maintained is acceptable.

(11) Humidifiers: A Big Problem. Humidifiers, whether small room-size or whole house HVAC systems, transfer water to air. They can also transfer microorganisms, especially NTM, Legionella pneumophila, and Pseudomonas aeruginosa. Transferring NTM from water to air is the problem. Humidity helps breathing, but it exposes one to NTM-laden aerosols. As humidifiers come in two sizes, room and house-size with different considerations, they will be dealt with separately.

Room-Size Humidifiers. Small, room-size humidifiers can generate aerosols with high numbers of NTM; even from reservoir water containing relatively low numbers of NTM (500 CFU/mL). In particular, the new ultrasonic humidifiers generate a high density aerosol mist that are rich in NTM (Hamilton and Falkinham, 2018). If you need to humidify your air (especially during winter), only use a room evaporative humidifier. Evaporative humidifiers boil water and the mist is blown by a fan or simply rises. Boiling will kill any NTM or bacterial cells and thereby be relatively free of NTM. The ultrasonic humidifiers do not heat the water, but use ultrasonic vibration to produce aerosol droplets. If a room-size humidifier blows water through a wetted filter (called an evaporative humidifier), don’t use it as the water wetting the filter will have NTM that can be aerosolized.

Remember that NTM will grow in biofilms in the humidifier’s water reservoir. Therefore, scrub the surface of the reservoir before refilling to reduce the number of NTM and other waterborne pathogens in the biofilm. I suggest you use a bathroom scrubbing agent. You can even disinfect the reservoir by adding Clorox® (1 cup to 10 cups water) for 30 min. Then be sure to rinse repeatedly until you can’t smell the chlorine before use.

Household-Size Humidifiers (HVAC). In an on-going study of NTM-patients in Philadelphia (the same hospital and area where the elderly, slender women were first identified at risk for NTM pulmonary disease), our colleagues at the Lankenau Medical Research Institute (led by Dr. Leah Lande) discovered that all the NTM-infected women have whole house humidifiers that are simple fabric or plastic woven filters with a channel above with holes for tap water to drip down through the filter. Those systems are like the “swamp coolers” used in the desert southwest to cool homes. The wet filter cools the air during passage. However, NTM adhere to the filter material where they grow and are transferred the household air that is drawn through the filter. Such house-size humidifiers are difficult, if not impossible to disinfect. Theoretically, if the incoming water to the filter was sterilized by 0.2 micrometer filtration or ultraviolet (UV) irradiation, the filter was disinfected regularly like a showerhead, the duct work leading in and out of the humidifier throughout the whole house was free of NTN, and the incoming air was free from outside dust, the humidified air would be relatively free from NTM.

Room- Versus House-Size Humidifiers. I prefer the room-size as they are portable and easier to clean (biofilm-removal) and disinfect (Clorox®). Successful employment of a whole house humidification system requires disinfection of the existing ductwork, a daunting task.

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I find your information contradictory. In the middle of the second paragraph, it states, “Evaporative humidifiers boil water and the mist is blown by a fan or simply rises.” However, at the end of the same paragraph, you state, “If a room-size humidifier blows water through a wetted filter (called an evaporative humidifier), don’t use it as the water wetting the filter will have NTM that can be aerosolized.”
It is warm mist humidifiers, also known as steam vaporisers - not evaporative humidifiers - that boil water to create steam that's then released into the air. Some models use a fan to blow the steam out, while others rely on the natural rise of steam due to its temperature. They are less likely to release NTM (non-tuberculous mycobacteria) into the air, compared to cool mist humidifiers.

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I find your information contradictory. In the middle of the second paragraph, it states, “Evaporative humidifiers boil water and the mist is blown by a fan or simply rises.” However, at the end of the same paragraph, you state, “If a room-size humidifier blows water through a wetted filter (called an evaporative humidifier), don’t use it as the water wetting the filter will have NTM that can be aerosolized.”
It is warm mist humidifiers, also known as steam vaporisers - not evaporative humidifiers - that boil water to create steam that's then released into the air. Some models use a fan to blow the steam out, while others rely on the natural rise of steam due to its temperature. They are less likely to release NTM (non-tuberculous mycobacteria) into the air, compared to cool mist humidifiers.

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You are exactly correct! My apologies.

An evaporative vaporizer = cool mist (a no no for our group)

A steam vaporizer = warm mist humidifier (kills bacteria and mold due to boiling).

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