How did you make the final decision to begin HU protocol for ET?

Posted by eansgardengirl @eansgardengirl, Nov 28, 2022

Hi, I continue to research and learn from others with ET. I am 57, and diagnosed this past year. Jak2 positive, ET. I may have suffered a thrombotic event post-knee surgery in 2021, therefore my MNP specialist ( Hematologist) is recommending I being Hydroxyurea ( HU). I am so hesitant to take it, for many reasons, and trying to connect with others' decision-making process. My doctor did a fellowship with Mayo Clinic, however, I am still considering going to the Mayo clinic for a second opinion. Mainly for a timeline of when I truly HAVE to being HU protocol to reduce risks of stroke, heart attack, and clots. My counts are between 570-680 platelets. I do suffer from headaches, very cold hands, and feet, and tingling in my calves ( I am told this is not related, but I can feel my calf muscles twitching almost all the time. I get fatigued, but I remain very determined to keep healthy movement. I cycle 5 days a week and hike when the weather allows. Mostly, I would like to hear others' experiences from diagnosis to when they started on HU, and what ultimately helped YOU cross the line to treatment. Thank you,

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That was really fast. What dose of HU did you take?

Hint from paperwork hematologist gave me…
To help treat/prevent mouth sores, use a soft toothbrush, and rinse three times a day with 1/2 to 1 teaspoon of baking soda and/or 1/2 to 1 teaspoon of salt mixed with 8 ounces of water.

I never touch the HU capsule. I slide it out to a lid and swallow. I rinse my mouth with clear water before taking it and finish with a glass of water.

Eileen

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Physician strongly recommended it

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@nohrt4me

Might help for us to understand that mild oral chemo like HU was a huge breakthrough for people with chronic cancers in the 1970s. Before then, there was plateletpheresis and that was about it.

HU offered disease management without the side effects of huge doses of infused chemo. It's also been around long enough that it comes in cheap generic form and side effects are well documented. Plus a good hemo knows how to find the lowest maintenance dose. No, HU isn't without trade-offs. Not sure any cancer treatment is.

A real draw back of having ET or other MPNs is that nobody's ever heard of them, your chances of getting one is higher than getting struck by lightning, and if you tell people what you have, they say, "Well, you don't look sick." It's hard to find people who get it and can offer helpful advice.

Ranting on: If you have a common acute cancer, people can't do enough for you. There are support groups, prayer chains, and victory laps at the 5K runs when you've won your battle.

Get a chronic cancer and people get empathy burn out. They want to know why you aren't getting better and start telling you to eat more organic beets or something. Like you brought it all on yourself and you're not trying hard enough.

All of that isolation and lack of understanding can start to wear you down after awhile. Clearly, this is not one of my "good days"! But for anyone else feeling this way, I get it! And tomorrow will be better. 🙂

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So sorry you’re having a tough time and I think we’ve all had our ups and downs which is perfectly normal. As time goes on, you just realize that this is a part of who you are, and that’s OK. I really loved and admired my dad very much and when he was having intense back pain and I could see it by the expression on his face, instead of dwelling on the
pain, my dad would say “today is a good day, and tomorrow will be even better!” I loved his positive attitude and believe he was absolutely right! I wish the same for you.

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@athl

So sorry you’re having a tough time and I think we’ve all had our ups and downs which is perfectly normal. As time goes on, you just realize that this is a part of who you are, and that’s OK. I really loved and admired my dad very much and when he was having intense back pain and I could see it by the expression on his face, instead of dwelling on the
pain, my dad would say “today is a good day, and tomorrow will be even better!” I loved his positive attitude and believe he was absolutely right! I wish the same for you.

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Thanks! Today *is* a better day. I got a decent night's sleep. I've had ET for 13 years. Usually it's now just "background noise." But it always makes a bad day worse by turning up the volume on brain fog, fatigue, and general dizziness.

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Today diagnosed with ET/JAK 2 mutation.
Hello ~ I have been reading other posts and recognize that initiating this one may move me to a more appropriate/helpful thread - which I would be very grateful for! Today was my second consult with a specialist in hem/onc to discuss bloodwork results. Dx = ET/JAK2 V617F (MPNs). Tx = ASA 81mg 1xday. A bone marrow biopsy is her next diagnostic plan for identification of secondary process. She is advocating for hydroxyurea starting with a low dose. So first, I am overwhelmed by this diagnosis. I would not have even sought medical help but this (platelet count 621)was discovered in a pre-op screening (as an aside, I was cleared for UKA which I had 11/15 - all went very well and rehab is also going extremely well). Aside from "verbally vomiting" here my initial response is....I am very thankful that I found this group/resource as I take my first step on this journey. Next, I imagine I will want second opinion(s). Did others do so as well and did you do this prior to having a biopsy? Prior to starting medication? Aside from a minimum dose estradial patch/progesterone I am not on any meds so this is all quite dauting.
Sent with great gratitude ~

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@jsslmt53

Today diagnosed with ET/JAK 2 mutation.
Hello ~ I have been reading other posts and recognize that initiating this one may move me to a more appropriate/helpful thread - which I would be very grateful for! Today was my second consult with a specialist in hem/onc to discuss bloodwork results. Dx = ET/JAK2 V617F (MPNs). Tx = ASA 81mg 1xday. A bone marrow biopsy is her next diagnostic plan for identification of secondary process. She is advocating for hydroxyurea starting with a low dose. So first, I am overwhelmed by this diagnosis. I would not have even sought medical help but this (platelet count 621)was discovered in a pre-op screening (as an aside, I was cleared for UKA which I had 11/15 - all went very well and rehab is also going extremely well). Aside from "verbally vomiting" here my initial response is....I am very thankful that I found this group/resource as I take my first step on this journey. Next, I imagine I will want second opinion(s). Did others do so as well and did you do this prior to having a biopsy? Prior to starting medication? Aside from a minimum dose estradial patch/progesterone I am not on any meds so this is all quite dauting.
Sent with great gratitude ~

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@jsslmt53, welcome. We have many members who are living with Essential Thrombocythemia and talk about JAK2 mutation and treatment options. I could've moved your initial post to any number of discussions where you'll find helpful and supportive members to journey with you. I chose to start you here:
- How did you make the final decision to begin HU protocol for ET? https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/how-did-you-make-the-final-decision-to-begin-hu-protocol-for-et/

Here you'll meet @eansgardengirl @arti4 @treeore @rjgregory440 @koryw208 @athl @nohrt4me @eileen11108 @claire39 @anno @garyinmo @cleo2 @mortysdad @biddypoppop @cowestwinds @marthajones and others.

Here are additional discussions you may want to check out:
– Essential Thrombocythemia: Looking for information and support https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/essential-thrombocythemia-1/
– People living with ET and taking Hydrea: Anybody setting records? https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/anybody-setting-records/
– I have JAK2 ET and MPN: Anyone else have these symptoms?https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/jak2-et-and-mpn-symptomscause/

@jsslmt53, you're asking all the right questions. I look forward to seeing the guidance you'll get from others.

PS: Verbal vomitting allowed. 🙂

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@colleenyoung

@jsslmt53, welcome. We have many members who are living with Essential Thrombocythemia and talk about JAK2 mutation and treatment options. I could've moved your initial post to any number of discussions where you'll find helpful and supportive members to journey with you. I chose to start you here:
- How did you make the final decision to begin HU protocol for ET? https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/how-did-you-make-the-final-decision-to-begin-hu-protocol-for-et/

Here you'll meet @eansgardengirl @arti4 @treeore @rjgregory440 @koryw208 @athl @nohrt4me @eileen11108 @claire39 @anno @garyinmo @cleo2 @mortysdad @biddypoppop @cowestwinds @marthajones and others.

Here are additional discussions you may want to check out:
– Essential Thrombocythemia: Looking for information and support https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/essential-thrombocythemia-1/
– People living with ET and taking Hydrea: Anybody setting records? https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/anybody-setting-records/
– I have JAK2 ET and MPN: Anyone else have these symptoms?https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/jak2-et-and-mpn-symptomscause/

@jsslmt53, you're asking all the right questions. I look forward to seeing the guidance you'll get from others.

PS: Verbal vomitting allowed. 🙂

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Thank you very much, Colleen. Your response grants me a deep, full breath.
Today I felt more pro-active after easing a bit out of my shock-phase and enlisted a contact, a physician I know/trust personally, asking for referrals. She promptly responded and I have since been doing some research on them. I've decided to hold off on any further diagnostics/tx (other than ASA which I'm still on anyway as post sx protocol) as I'm quite sure I'll be settling on a different doctor.

I will look at all the links you sent and look forward to "meeting" the others. Strength in numbers! ~ Jeannine

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@jsslmt53

Today diagnosed with ET/JAK 2 mutation.
Hello ~ I have been reading other posts and recognize that initiating this one may move me to a more appropriate/helpful thread - which I would be very grateful for! Today was my second consult with a specialist in hem/onc to discuss bloodwork results. Dx = ET/JAK2 V617F (MPNs). Tx = ASA 81mg 1xday. A bone marrow biopsy is her next diagnostic plan for identification of secondary process. She is advocating for hydroxyurea starting with a low dose. So first, I am overwhelmed by this diagnosis. I would not have even sought medical help but this (platelet count 621)was discovered in a pre-op screening (as an aside, I was cleared for UKA which I had 11/15 - all went very well and rehab is also going extremely well). Aside from "verbally vomiting" here my initial response is....I am very thankful that I found this group/resource as I take my first step on this journey. Next, I imagine I will want second opinion(s). Did others do so as well and did you do this prior to having a biopsy? Prior to starting medication? Aside from a minimum dose estradial patch/progesterone I am not on any meds so this is all quite dauting.
Sent with great gratitude ~

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I did not have a second opinion, but my dad had ET, so I knew about it and felt the oncologist at my regional hospital was doing the right stuff.

That said, I think second opinions are a really good idea. I also plugged into some seminars from MPN groups, both live and online.

I did ask my cardiologist and GP about hydroxyurea vs anagrelide after my diagnosis because, as platelets rise we all end up on something. My cardio told me HU was the better choice because anagrelide can cause heartbeat issues.

Do what you need to do to feel you are informed and feel you are making the best decision for you!

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I don’t have EV, but I can give you first hand knowledge regarding hydroxyurea..I was diagnosed with Polycythemia Vera, (ET’s first cousin) JAK2 positive in April 2021 at the age of 66… In addition to having weekly phlebotomies for a month, I was immediately put on baby aspirin and HU at 500 mg’s daily.. My platelets were not an issue… in my case HCT levels needed to be dropped.. A year later the dose of HU was increased to 1000 mg daily.. 3 months later another increase to 1500 mg M,W,F and remain at 1000 mg T,Th,Sat,Sun, and that’s where I am currently.. I bike almost every day and am in pretty good shape despite taking HU and my HCT level has dropped to where my oncologist wants it.. Believe me, I’m not happy about having to take this as it is chemotherapy in pill form, but I can say that the only side effect I have had to date is a slight thinning of my hair.. As with most things, some people can tolerate it quite well and some cannot.. Hope this information helps you and best of luck..

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@nohrt4me

Probably doesn't matter how I made my decision. Everyone has different ideas, fears, and circumstances.

If you are afraid of HU, it is helpful to tell your hemo EXACTLY why you don't want to take it. If you give some vague answer like, "I just don't like taking pills," or "I want to treat myself as naturally as possible," you will get set down as uncooperative and that won't help your doc-patient relationship. Not fair, but that's health care in America. My husband, who had a heart attack, has been balky with his cardiologists about taking pills, and they now think he's a nutbar.

Side effects of HU include gastric upsets, increased risk for skin cancers, leg ulcers (if you're on it for more than 20 years), mouth sores, hair thinning, skin and nail changes.

The fact is that your ET is not going to get better with diet and exercise (though doctors need to wake up and realize that these things really help!) and that platelet count really doesn't affect your clot risks. Patients can get massive clotting events even if their counts are in the 500s. Once platelets approach 1,000, you run the risk of Acquired Von Willebrands. Your clot risk is more dependent on type of mutation (JAK2 patients have the highest risk), age (if you're over 60), and whether you've had a previous clotting event. (You can look up something called the IPSET score, which is what docs use when they make the determination to recommend HU treatment. https://thehematologist.org/ipset-thrombosis/ )

Second opinions are always good!

So is asking your doctor if you are a good candidate for Pegasys (interferon), an alternate to HU that actually may retard progress of the ET, but is frightfully expensive, which might be why docs don't recommend it more.

It might be a better strategy to take a low-dose of HU now than to let them go sky high and have to take mega doses to reduce your platelets. My dad also had ET, didn't know it, and was hit with big doses of HU when his platelets went way over 1,000. He had bleeding episodes with that, and it was not fun.

I've been on HU for four years, 500 mg every day maintenance dose. I am doing OK.

I know this is all scary at first. After a few years, it gradually becomes more annoying than anything else. Most people live a normal lifespan and die of something else if they are treated properly.

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I'm a 53 yo active female. Platelets were 2,900 (crazy high) so ET/CALR and yes, AVWD also. Clots aren't my issue so no baby aspirin. Extremely high risk of bleeding. Asked not to do anything too risk taking 🙁 I take 1500 mg of HU and 1 mg of Anagralide both daily. Don't have much of a choice with the numbers I have. Platelets are now under 1,000 (on meds). Biggest drawbacks/side effects I feel of the meds are GI issues, fatigue, tingly feet and funky nails (??? weak, splitting and spooning). Blood panels bi weekly for foreseeable future or until meds are figured out. Numbers need to be low, consistent and working properly (AVWD). My husband and kids keep me positive. I always tell myself ...it could be a lot worse. Stay strong everyone!!!

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