How, when, where do you start the liver transplant process?

Posted by shacquie @shacquie, Mar 21 8:09pm

Hi. My mom was admitted to the er and they said she has high ammonia levels, sent us home with lactulose. The soonest appointment to see a gastroentologest is in 15 more days. Has anyone heard of this?

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@shacquie
Turns out I had an undiagnosed autoimmune disease (Sjogrens). It caused cirrhosis—stage 4. From there my health deteriorated as I developed Hepatopulmonary syndrome. It becomes fatal quickly and the only cure is a liver transplant.

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@deb2025 than you for responding to me, im so grateful for everyone on this website. How long did it take for you to get a new liver?

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@shacquie, My first step toward an appointment with liver transplant clinic was thru my local GI (gastroenterologist). He diagnosed my disease, and he monitored/treated me until I needed higher level care. And so, I am happy to read that your mom already has an appointment scheduled with a GI to look at her current health condition.
In my experience, I did not have the episodes of high ammonia or take lactulose, so I have no comment on that. However, each of us will experience different symptoms along the way and it can become very confusing. I did receive a transplant 17 years ago.

Please know that it is 'okay' to call the GI's office to check on an earlier appointment, or to report change in mom's condition.
Sending Hugs and Hope.

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@rosemarya your story gives me so much hope. I have been in a dark place since last week. Lost confused and no available doctors where I live.
does medicaid/medicare cover this?

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@shacquie i live in a very small town so I drove to Santa Barbara 2 hours away because of a really nice hospital there that was much more advanced than the one in my area I was in ICU for many months and was transported by ambulance to USC/Keck in Los Angeles which did transplant surgeries, look for the biggest hospital I recommend USC is 5 hours from my house it was totally worth it, I’m over 3 years Post and doing very well and swimming almost everyday

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@pgruetz thats an incredible story. Thank you so much for sharing with me. I really appreciate it. Your story is similar to what im going through right now. Its incredibly hard to get an appointment with anyone. Her gastroentologist is on vacation till the end of the month and doesn't have anyone else she can see there. Ive thought of driving to Mayo in Phoenix because its the nicest closet hospital to us. Only 6 hours.

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@shacquie early on in my liver disease I would have high ammonia levels which led to general confusion/disorientation (this was how my liver disease was diagnosed- I had a related episode of confusion while driving). It eventually led to major episodes of hepatic encephalopathy which were scary- I would become confused, angry, not myself and I barely remember those episodes. I took lactulose and an antibiotic beginning with X-I cannot recall the name- to stave off these symptoms. Lactulose is unpleasant to drink and it leads to diarrhea but is necessary to remove the bacteria in one’s body that can lead to high levels of ammonia.

My liver disease was so bad I had to have a transplant, but prior to that with above medications, my symptoms eased a lot.

I agree that trying to see the GI doc earlier is reasonable. I used to have my ammonia levels checked weekly, and I was educated around clinical signs to look out for- difficulty concentrating, increased shakiness in extremities- so I could take extra doses of my meds if needed. My doctors recommended that I not be alone at night/early morning when symptoms tend to worsen.

This is a great forum which is moderated by kind humans. Keep asking questions.
Kate

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@katebw thank you soo much for responding to me. Everything someone reaches out it takes me one step further. Im very alone in this, without help. Is it unreasonable to feel like waiting for the specialists is catastrophic? Is it possible for the liver to just shut down randomly one day while we are waiting and taking the lactulose and water pills? Ill ask for antibiotics.

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@deb2025 oh no! Did you have a liver transplant

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@woodstock1959 yes. Six months ago.

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@colleenyoung thank you for putting things together. I desperately would like to her to be treated at mayo instead of here where we are. We live together. I watch over her. The lactulose has made her pee alot but not poop. She goes maybe once a day. I cant tell if its because she doesn't eat much. Her belly is swollen, its gone down with lactulose but not completely.

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@shacquie, My first step toward an appointment with liver transplant clinic was thru my local GI (gastroenterologist). He diagnosed my disease, and he monitored/treated me until I needed higher level care. And so, I am happy to read that your mom already has an appointment scheduled with a GI to look at her current health condition.
In my experience, I did not have the episodes of high ammonia or take lactulose, so I have no comment on that. However, each of us will experience different symptoms along the way and it can become very confusing. I did receive a transplant 17 years ago.

Please know that it is 'okay' to call the GI's office to check on an earlier appointment, or to report change in mom's condition.
Sending Hugs and Hope.

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@shacquie
Turns out I had an undiagnosed autoimmune disease (Sjogrens). It caused cirrhosis—stage 4. From there my health deteriorated as I developed Hepatopulmonary syndrome. It becomes fatal quickly and the only cure is a liver transplant.

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@deb2025 oh no! Did you have a liver transplant

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@pgruetz the doctors here are very limited. Its such a small town, like maybe 25k people. They dont send the referrals and tales weeks before biopsies and things like that can be done. Im worried about waiting 10 more days to see the gastrointestinal Dr. Then wait again for labs and images before anything is done. What are your thoughts?

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@shacquie i live in a very small town so I drove to Santa Barbara 2 hours away because of a really nice hospital there that was much more advanced than the one in my area I was in ICU for many months and was transported by ambulance to USC/Keck in Los Angeles which did transplant surgeries, look for the biggest hospital I recommend USC is 5 hours from my house it was totally worth it, I’m over 3 years Post and doing very well and swimming almost everyday

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@deb2025 if its from cirrhosis that came from hep c but was treated. Is that the same? Have you ever heard of aceitis? Is it smart to drive to Arizona mayo er for help?

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@shacquie
Turns out I had an undiagnosed autoimmune disease (Sjogrens). It caused cirrhosis—stage 4. From there my health deteriorated as I developed Hepatopulmonary syndrome. It becomes fatal quickly and the only cure is a liver transplant.

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@deb2025 if its from cirrhosis that came from hep c but was treated. Is that the same? Have you ever heard of aceitis? Is it smart to drive to Arizona mayo er for help?

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@shacquie my husband had cirrhosis of the liver. Aceites is fluid in the stomach. The liver is not dispersing water and other fluids into the kidneys or other organs. When that happens she needs to get a paracentisis. It removes the fluid. Fluid is bad because it can get to the lungs or heart. Is your mom’s stomach big? If it is, thats aceites. Ask the Dr if she can travel. The emergency at the hospital should be able to tell you. My husband rode with me to San Antonio. It’s 2 1/2 hours from where we live. He was really sick. I wish ya’ll the best. I’m not trying to scare you and everyone is different. My husband was diagnosed with it 3 years ago. He had gotten Hep C, fatty liver and alcohol liver.

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