How responsible medication use can help

Posted by paul65 @paul65, Feb 23 8:23am

I am dismayed at how many of the threads in this forum have to do with drugs, their use, tapering, etc. I thought the American medical community had learned its lesson with opoids. We seem to have the same overprescribing problem with anti-depression medicine as well. When I was first diagnosed (mostly as a result of diabetes), I went to my doctor and expected her to prescribe some magic pill that would take care of me. She explained to me that drugs weren't a panacea and some create more problems than they solve. I was surprised at her hesitancy to prescribe. Now I realize she was ahead of the times in her approach. She eventually did prescribe a small dose of Sertraline, which was helpful, but every time I would ask her about the latest greatest anti-depressant, she would give me the same answer. No. "Let's try something more wholistic first." After reading the threads here, I am so glad she practiced "tough love." I feel for people who are now hooked on these drugs and struggle to get free and am thankful I was spared the trauma.

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In my Bible reading this evening I ran across this verse (Proverbs 25:20) Whoever sings songs to a heavy heart is like one who takes off a garment on a cold day and like vinegar on soda.

Sometimes we just need a hug instead of cheerful words.

Jim

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@jimhd

Today I started knitting a scarf, and it's been relaxing, and keeps my thoughts focused on my work. I'm using a finer yarn than I've used before, Alpaca. The pattern requires some concentration, with a small cable on each side of a larger one. Such nice soft yarn!

I finished a sweater the other day. I used Patons wool. It's really warm! Being stuck at home in a wheelchair means I have more time for knitting and reading than I normally have. Usually I spend a good part of the day outside or in the shop.

I have a service dog who gives me a lot of support. She keeps a pretty close eye on me.

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Wonderful! A great tool and skill!

I love being out in the garden. Thank goodness I planted perennials - hydrangeas. I have not been able to tend to them. So glad they take care of themselves. I just have to make sure they are watered.

I’m so glad to hear you have one. That is pure medicine! Having a pet to shower you with affection. They are pure love. Their licks and attention is very meaningful. I used to have a cat and a dog. I miss them dearly.

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@nemo1

Wonderful! A great tool and skill!

I love being out in the garden. Thank goodness I planted perennials - hydrangeas. I have not been able to tend to them. So glad they take care of themselves. I just have to make sure they are watered.

I’m so glad to hear you have one. That is pure medicine! Having a pet to shower you with affection. They are pure love. Their licks and attention is very meaningful. I used to have a cat and a dog. I miss them dearly.

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So many things could be called medication, couldn't they? A pet surely qualifies, the power of the mind, the arts, nature, a close relationship, exercise, rest, faith, a social group, a healthy place of worship, and the list goes on!

Does everything on my list act as effective medication for everyone? I think not. But there are endless non-chemical things that serve as medication.

Then there's the field of pharmacology, which manufactures an ever increasing superabundance of products. My first 50 years, I took almost none of them, except for aspirin. Then I hit 50! Over the next ten years I began having a variety of health challenges, and needed to take medication for some of them.

Taking medications responsibly becomes important, in terms of benefit vs. risk, in terms of interactions, knowing when to say no, being aware of the effects of a medication on your body and mind, taking it as prescribed, knowing when you can get benefit from a lower dose. Another list that goes on and on.

Mental health meds can be ones that require responsible management. It can be easy to take more more than we need. When an antidepressant starts becoming less effective, an add-on is often prescribed. Then there's the need to treat a second mental health issue, which requires a different type of medication. And along comes a physical problem that might be treated with a medication that's also used for mental health. Balancing those kinds of combinations can be become a challenge.

I use Drug.com as a resource, for one thing to check interactions. That helps me weigh the risks of what I'm taking. Sometimes, as the information paperwork that comes with every prescription says, "your prescriber may determine that the benefit outweighs the risk", after they've listed a bunch of scary side effects.

I didn't intend to write this much. My own history is complicated, and doctors sometimes don't know what the best treatment would be, which tends to result in lots of trial and error. So often I'm supposed to start a new medication at the same time as something else is going on that clouds the process.

Juggling multiple medications is something that requires wisdom, research and organization. I look forward to my future home in heaven where no medication will be needed.

Y'all stay safe with your meds.

Jim

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@jimhd

So many things could be called medication, couldn't they? A pet surely qualifies, the power of the mind, the arts, nature, a close relationship, exercise, rest, faith, a social group, a healthy place of worship, and the list goes on!

Does everything on my list act as effective medication for everyone? I think not. But there are endless non-chemical things that serve as medication.

Then there's the field of pharmacology, which manufactures an ever increasing superabundance of products. My first 50 years, I took almost none of them, except for aspirin. Then I hit 50! Over the next ten years I began having a variety of health challenges, and needed to take medication for some of them.

Taking medications responsibly becomes important, in terms of benefit vs. risk, in terms of interactions, knowing when to say no, being aware of the effects of a medication on your body and mind, taking it as prescribed, knowing when you can get benefit from a lower dose. Another list that goes on and on.

Mental health meds can be ones that require responsible management. It can be easy to take more more than we need. When an antidepressant starts becoming less effective, an add-on is often prescribed. Then there's the need to treat a second mental health issue, which requires a different type of medication. And along comes a physical problem that might be treated with a medication that's also used for mental health. Balancing those kinds of combinations can be become a challenge.

I use Drug.com as a resource, for one thing to check interactions. That helps me weigh the risks of what I'm taking. Sometimes, as the information paperwork that comes with every prescription says, "your prescriber may determine that the benefit outweighs the risk", after they've listed a bunch of scary side effects.

I didn't intend to write this much. My own history is complicated, and doctors sometimes don't know what the best treatment would be, which tends to result in lots of trial and error. So often I'm supposed to start a new medication at the same time as something else is going on that clouds the process.

Juggling multiple medications is something that requires wisdom, research and organization. I look forward to my future home in heaven where no medication will be needed.

Y'all stay safe with your meds.

Jim

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Good Morning Jim and all!

Wise words! What a blessing this post is. I try my best to follow this after I had experienced much of what you describe and espouse. I hope many read this. If I have not already I will incorporate these ’directives’ into my daily life.

I take enough medication and am always careful when a doctor wants to add on. More often than not I have discovered through research that it (like many) are metabolized in the liver (I have to watch that).

I have used drugs.com many a time and it helped me tremendously. For example, I take a cholesterol medication and high blood pressure medications. I discovered they Interact with each other and can cause muscle pain. Being that I’ve been having that in spades, come to find out, after I brought this to the doctors attention, I should be taking them spaced out over time (am and pm - especially when he doubled the dosage) when I’d been taking them both in the morning. Still having problems. I await the doctors communication and further instruction.

So Jim, your lessons are corroborated! lol

Before I was on medication, I tried certain supplements in the distant past before I was put on prescription medication for a different issue. It (the supplements) didn’t work for me, having the opposite effect. Just a note of caution. I didn’t pass it by a doctor first. I thought, it’s a “vitamin” how bad could it be? Well, I learned a lesson. Now, older and a little wiser. Vitamin deficiency vs malabsorption? Good to err on the side of caution.

Thank you for such a thoughtful and helpful post!

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@jimhd

So many things could be called medication, couldn't they? A pet surely qualifies, the power of the mind, the arts, nature, a close relationship, exercise, rest, faith, a social group, a healthy place of worship, and the list goes on!

Does everything on my list act as effective medication for everyone? I think not. But there are endless non-chemical things that serve as medication.

Then there's the field of pharmacology, which manufactures an ever increasing superabundance of products. My first 50 years, I took almost none of them, except for aspirin. Then I hit 50! Over the next ten years I began having a variety of health challenges, and needed to take medication for some of them.

Taking medications responsibly becomes important, in terms of benefit vs. risk, in terms of interactions, knowing when to say no, being aware of the effects of a medication on your body and mind, taking it as prescribed, knowing when you can get benefit from a lower dose. Another list that goes on and on.

Mental health meds can be ones that require responsible management. It can be easy to take more more than we need. When an antidepressant starts becoming less effective, an add-on is often prescribed. Then there's the need to treat a second mental health issue, which requires a different type of medication. And along comes a physical problem that might be treated with a medication that's also used for mental health. Balancing those kinds of combinations can be become a challenge.

I use Drug.com as a resource, for one thing to check interactions. That helps me weigh the risks of what I'm taking. Sometimes, as the information paperwork that comes with every prescription says, "your prescriber may determine that the benefit outweighs the risk", after they've listed a bunch of scary side effects.

I didn't intend to write this much. My own history is complicated, and doctors sometimes don't know what the best treatment would be, which tends to result in lots of trial and error. So often I'm supposed to start a new medication at the same time as something else is going on that clouds the process.

Juggling multiple medications is something that requires wisdom, research and organization. I look forward to my future home in heaven where no medication will be needed.

Y'all stay safe with your meds.

Jim

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@jimhd Such powerful words, and quite the lesson! Thank you for reminding us all that the the word "medication" can be defined in so many different ways.

I, for one, do and will continue to look at my total regimen to assess the best for me in any current situation.
Ginger

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Your doctor is absolutely right! Drugs never cure depression or anxiety; they only block therapy and should never be taken because they cause huge problems when you try withdrawal. I am 95 and was dependent Equanil for anxiety. I began seeing a new psychiatrist who used Bio-Energetic therapy. He made me quit the drug because he said drugs simply delay recovery. He used massage therapy and special exercises to treat my anxiety and it worked remarkably well. That was thirty years ago. I am now 95 and in fairly good health, use my computer six hours per day, have had many traumatic experiences, but have resolved them all without drugs. I would never use drugs to solve problems again because my psychiatrist was right; they only delay recovery and their withdrawal symptoms are frequently horrible; causing hallucinations and suicides. Try to find a Bio-Energetic psychiatrist. Modern psychiatry is completely wrong on its chemical methodology. It killed my sister. Go online and read about the terrible trauma caused by drug withdrawal.

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@mayo14911

Your doctor is absolutely right! Drugs never cure depression or anxiety; they only block therapy and should never be taken because they cause huge problems when you try withdrawal. I am 95 and was dependent Equanil for anxiety. I began seeing a new psychiatrist who used Bio-Energetic therapy. He made me quit the drug because he said drugs simply delay recovery. He used massage therapy and special exercises to treat my anxiety and it worked remarkably well. That was thirty years ago. I am now 95 and in fairly good health, use my computer six hours per day, have had many traumatic experiences, but have resolved them all without drugs. I would never use drugs to solve problems again because my psychiatrist was right; they only delay recovery and their withdrawal symptoms are frequently horrible; causing hallucinations and suicides. Try to find a Bio-Energetic psychiatrist. Modern psychiatry is completely wrong on its chemical methodology. It killed my sister. Go online and read about the terrible trauma caused by drug withdrawal.

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My own experience is quite different from yours. Medication has brought me back from the terrible dark place I was in. Depression, anxiety, PTSD and suicide attempts would have meant the end of my life if I hadn't been pressed to seek help. The combination of several things slowly got me my life back over the course of 6+ years. Medication, therapy, family support, my faith continue to be important parts of my mental well-being.

I'm 73 - hope to be doing as well as you at 95!

Jim

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@mayo14911

Your doctor is absolutely right! Drugs never cure depression or anxiety; they only block therapy and should never be taken because they cause huge problems when you try withdrawal. I am 95 and was dependent Equanil for anxiety. I began seeing a new psychiatrist who used Bio-Energetic therapy. He made me quit the drug because he said drugs simply delay recovery. He used massage therapy and special exercises to treat my anxiety and it worked remarkably well. That was thirty years ago. I am now 95 and in fairly good health, use my computer six hours per day, have had many traumatic experiences, but have resolved them all without drugs. I would never use drugs to solve problems again because my psychiatrist was right; they only delay recovery and their withdrawal symptoms are frequently horrible; causing hallucinations and suicides. Try to find a Bio-Energetic psychiatrist. Modern psychiatry is completely wrong on its chemical methodology. It killed my sister. Go online and read about the terrible trauma caused by drug withdrawal.

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@mayo14911

Drugs do not cure depression, but the right medications can certainly help individuals who are depressed. The right antidepressant can help with sleep problems and thereby provide more energy to the depressed person to make the changes that they need to make.

I am sorry to hear of your sister's death and trauma. However, it is important to remember that each person's experience is unique. To make blanket assumptions based on the unfortunate experience of your sister, is not helpful to the community as a whole.

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