Givers and Takers - letting off steam

Posted by kartwk @kartwk, Nov 2 5:37pm

Today my cousin, whose husband has been suffering with ALS for years called. She was, once again looking for a shoulder and I was it. I listened to her, grievances, concerns, crying etc. for several hours. Oh he was diagnosed with cancer now and can't have any treatments because of the other thing. What is she going to do without him? For years she has claimed to be looking for a ranch home because the stairs are a killer for her H. to deal with but never seems to find one. I once, during one of these conversations mentioned I was having difficulty finding someone to help with housework and right away, once it wasn't about her she had to go.

After the call ended It occurred to me that she never asked how I was, never asked about my H and how he was doing....nothing. She has no idea how my husband has deteriorated, how I have deteriorated and the things I have posted here because if it isn't about her and her plight she has no time.

Point being, I am teed off about this.

Question - I feel used and would it be terrible if I just stopped talking to her when she calls? I get 2-3 calls a month from her like this.
Yes, her husband is in bad shape, and it is tough, but I am floundering through a lot of the same problems.
I have given her support and suggestions, but I realize now that she has never done any such thing for me. A total taker...and I am a tired giver.

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@nrocpop
Oh, you darling person, how your response touched me today! You have been through SO much, and I imagine needed someone to listen in order to retain your sanity!!!! And, We ALL are THAT person sometimes! Let me tell you, your transparency today is balm to my isolated soul! Like me, you probably listen and listen to others at different times of life. But then, sometimes, all the “stuff” comes tumbling out when someone pauses to listen to you—even if you never intended to go there! I am caregiver to my 94 year old father, who has been and is currently going through multiple serious health challenges. I won’t go on and on here, but the struggle for us all is REAL. We were finally home yesterday and he was served hot food by three (he did have breakfast before all the imaging, IV treatment, etc etc happened)—but I had yet to eat, as I needed to clean up a situation in his room and start his laundry, etc. When he wanted me to stop and review his phone messages (he cannot see well), I didn’t lose it but I told him I would have to get to it later (and probably my facial expression mirrored my annoyance—no poker face here). I never do that—it would have only taken a couple of minutes! But I was annoyed after he had been complaining about his lack of freedom (I had asked him to wash his hands with soap and water after the “situation”), and I didn’t say anything to him (like, “You aren’t the only one whose freedom is lacking!”). BUT I did complain to a friend I called —who has a surgery this Friday, and who already had a double mastectomy last month, when she asked about our situation here! I did eventually set it aside to talk about HER, which was the whole purpose of my call. But good golly! I can’t believe I spent ANY time talking about my annoyance, when she is facing all she has on her plate!

I woke up this morning berating myself for being annoyed in the first place, and for speaking it out to her like I did. I do regret it. But you know what? We are only human. I’m not going to have perfect performance always. Realizing we want to do better is good, I think. And we need to give each other, and ourselves, grace in all this. You did that for me this morning. Thank you!

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@babbsjoy thanks for writing back. We try so hard and the struggle is real.

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I have known people like that. They suck you dry then lick their lips and come back for more. Walk away. Send a text that you are done and that you will contact her if you change your mind. Mean it. You will not go to hell for doing this. And your life will be much better, I promise.

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I have a "friend", a constant complainer, whom when I manage to get a word in about me, immediately associates it with something she's experienced and makes it about her. Lately, I've made myself pretty scarce, and only see her when I can bear it, like once in three months, for ten minutes. Once in a while, I find her in a good mood, but usually she's pretty miserable. Then I stay away for a few months again.
You have some options with your cousin @kartwk. You can not answer her calls, or pick up, listen for five minutes, make up an emergency and say you have to go. You can also assert yourself by overtalking her, interrupting and sharing something about your situation. You mentioned that got her off the phone pretty quickly when you did that.
There are support groups, helplines, she could avail herself of.
If you told her how you really felt, wrote it out, short and to the point, she'd probably never speak to you again, and that might be a good thing!

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you have to stand up to her and tell her straight. u can't keep on like this you don't have the strength to waste (none of us do). I was doing a course in business administration and ended up leaving because of someone like that .

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You know, I am VERY sorry to say that I am sometimes that person. I was so overwhelmed by my mom's cancer and death and then my husband's cancer that I sometimes lost track of the idea that most people, or maybe everyone, has major problems of their own. I don't know why I am like this and I don't want to be. I battle to be a good listener all the time because I really do love the people I am talking to. I am sorry that you have to deal with a person like me. If it were me, I would appreciate it being pointed out to me gently that I am doing all the talking. I would not even mind if someone pointed that out over and over and over. I know it is a weakness of mine and I just am so relieved to have someone to talk to that I get lost in the selfishness. I wonder if this cousin would want to be reminded to listen more.

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@nrocpop You make a very good point. At least you are aware of your behavior and want to work on improving but some just don't care. I commend you for being willing to take a different approach.

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@nrocpop
Oh, you darling person, how your response touched me today! You have been through SO much, and I imagine needed someone to listen in order to retain your sanity!!!! And, We ALL are THAT person sometimes! Let me tell you, your transparency today is balm to my isolated soul! Like me, you probably listen and listen to others at different times of life. But then, sometimes, all the “stuff” comes tumbling out when someone pauses to listen to you—even if you never intended to go there! I am caregiver to my 94 year old father, who has been and is currently going through multiple serious health challenges. I won’t go on and on here, but the struggle for us all is REAL. We were finally home yesterday and he was served hot food by three (he did have breakfast before all the imaging, IV treatment, etc etc happened)—but I had yet to eat, as I needed to clean up a situation in his room and start his laundry, etc. When he wanted me to stop and review his phone messages (he cannot see well), I didn’t lose it but I told him I would have to get to it later (and probably my facial expression mirrored my annoyance—no poker face here). I never do that—it would have only taken a couple of minutes! But I was annoyed after he had been complaining about his lack of freedom (I had asked him to wash his hands with soap and water after the “situation”), and I didn’t say anything to him (like, “You aren’t the only one whose freedom is lacking!”). BUT I did complain to a friend I called —who has a surgery this Friday, and who already had a double mastectomy last month, when she asked about our situation here! I did eventually set it aside to talk about HER, which was the whole purpose of my call. But good golly! I can’t believe I spent ANY time talking about my annoyance, when she is facing all she has on her plate!

I woke up this morning berating myself for being annoyed in the first place, and for speaking it out to her like I did. I do regret it. But you know what? We are only human. I’m not going to have perfect performance always. Realizing we want to do better is good, I think. And we need to give each other, and ourselves, grace in all this. You did that for me this morning. Thank you!

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@babbsjoy If she is a friend that you value you can always call your her this week and just say, ”let’s start our conversation over. I shouldn’t have talked so much and I really want to know how you are doing!”
Do you think that could work?

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You know, I am VERY sorry to say that I am sometimes that person. I was so overwhelmed by my mom's cancer and death and then my husband's cancer that I sometimes lost track of the idea that most people, or maybe everyone, has major problems of their own. I don't know why I am like this and I don't want to be. I battle to be a good listener all the time because I really do love the people I am talking to. I am sorry that you have to deal with a person like me. If it were me, I would appreciate it being pointed out to me gently that I am doing all the talking. I would not even mind if someone pointed that out over and over and over. I know it is a weakness of mine and I just am so relieved to have someone to talk to that I get lost in the selfishness. I wonder if this cousin would want to be reminded to listen more.

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@nrocpop Me, too! I really try to listen more, but I always think that misery likes company, so I blurt out something I’m going through so the other person won’t feel alone. I mean well, but most people don’t need to listen to me. They need to listen to what they are saying. I am there, so they talk to me. I just have to remember to let them talk.

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@babbsjoy If she is a friend that you value you can always call your her this week and just say, ”let’s start our conversation over. I shouldn’t have talked so much and I really want to know how you are doing!”
Do you think that could work?

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@becsbuddy
Thank you. Yes, I will definitely follow up with her! We did ultimately spend a lot of time talking about her situation in my initial call—but I really regret first talking so much about my frustrations. You are right, calling her back and staying on point about HER, is an excellent plan!

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