Anyone else out there with extremely high lipoprotein (a)?

Posted by csage1010 (Sue) @csage1010, Feb 21, 2022

Hi! I just found out that I have an extremely high lipoprotein (a) of 515 nmol/L. I'm terrified; it's that high. I'm 58 years old and my total cholesterol is 212. My LDL is 141, and my HDL is just 40. My cholesterol/HDL ratio is 5.3. Of course it's a long weekend and I may not be able to reach my doctor tomorrow. I have watched a couple of informational sessions online from various doctors discussing elevated LP(a), but no one mentions anything close to how high mine is. Is there anyone else out there with severely elevated Lp(a)? Thanking you in advance. Sue M.

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I am watching salt too so I don't even add salt or pepper to my olive oil/balsamic vinegar mix. I can't find it now but at one time I was using fig balsamic vinegar and was that good. I liked it with salads that have fruit in them. Of course I am using imported 100% extra virgin Italian olive oil and balsamic vinegar. And forget butter. I put olive oil on corn on the cobb even. And olive oil on rustic bread is yummy. FYI for all, lemon juice is a great substitute for salt on things

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Profile picture for whineboy @whineboy

Hello Teresa,

I finally worked through that very technical article. I'm not sure if it is relevant to the general population, 85% of participants were caucasian, ~ 86% of the 81 participants had familial hypercholesterolimia, and ~ 19% were smokers. The authors noted the small size and observational nature of the study (not an RCT) were limiting. Yes, the study showed that for those with the LMW apo(a) phenotype, whatever that is 🙂 , statins increased Lp(a) significantly, but not for those with the HMW apo(a) phenotype. Interestingly, the paper did not identify the statins used or their dosages.

I was pleased to see the authors noted that reduced fat intake and shifting from dietary saturated fat to unsaturated fat was previously associated with increased Lp(a).

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I appreciate you sharing your thoughts about the article, @whineboy. I agree that the most important thing in our health has to do with our lifestyle decisions.

Eating well and exercising is vital.

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Hi @whineboy,

I appreciate your pointing that out. I cited an incorrect link when I posted to you earlier today. I should have posted, https://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/article/S0021-9150(19)31392-9/fulltext. This article states that in certain individuals it does increase the lipoprotein (a). It seems to be dependent on the apo phenotype.

The different studies certainly were confusing,

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Hello Teresa,

I finally worked through that very technical article. I'm not sure if it is relevant to the general population, 85% of participants were caucasian, ~ 86% of the 81 participants had familial hypercholesterolimia, and ~ 19% were smokers. The authors noted the small size and observational nature of the study (not an RCT) were limiting. Yes, the study showed that for those with the LMW apo(a) phenotype, whatever that is 🙂 , statins increased Lp(a) significantly, but not for those with the HMW apo(a) phenotype. Interestingly, the paper did not identify the statins used or their dosages.

I was pleased to see the authors noted that reduced fat intake and shifting from dietary saturated fat to unsaturated fat was previously associated with increased Lp(a).

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Profile picture for vic83 @vic83

Yuck to the stuff on the shelf! I always make my own. It is easy. Just mix olive oil and balsamic vinegar. SECRET => buy quality olive oil and vinegar.

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There are a couple of Annie’s dressings that I like; the sodium content is modest compared with most others, but they are made with canola oil so no more of those. I will have to learn to like balsamic vinegar, which I am sure I can do.

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Profile picture for Sue, Volunteer Mentor @sueinmn

Cooked beans and lentils have not had a noticeable effect on blood sugar, but they always combined with a wide variety of other vegetables, so they are only one part of the meal, much as a serving of meat would be. Even our pea soup is 1/3 green & yellow peas, 2/3 other vegetables like onions, carrots, celery & rutabaga.
Sue

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Sounds delicious.

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Profile picture for whineboy @whineboy

Hello Teresa,

Thank you for citing that article entitled “ Statin therapy increases lipoprotein(a) levels”.

I am confused, the authors state statins increase Lp(a). At the end of the publication they say “In conclusion, this well powered study shows significant increases in Lp(a) following statin therapy, as well as an increase in apolipoprotein(a) production in cell culture studies with statins. We propose that future studies evaluate this phenomenon and physicians consider measuring Lp(a) pre- and post-first initiation of statin therapy. The adverse consequences of increases in Lp(a) levels post-statin therapy may play a role in the residual risk in patients treated with statins and should be evaluated in future studies.”

Makes me want to decrease my statin dose even further.

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Hi @whineboy,

I appreciate your pointing that out. I cited an incorrect link when I posted to you earlier today. I should have posted, https://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/article/S0021-9150(19)31392-9/fulltext. This article states that in certain individuals it does increase the lipoprotein (a). It seems to be dependent on the apo phenotype.

The different studies certainly were confusing,

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Hello Teresa,

Thank you for citing that article entitled “ Statin therapy increases lipoprotein(a) levels”.

I am confused, the authors state statins increase Lp(a). At the end of the publication they say “In conclusion, this well powered study shows significant increases in Lp(a) following statin therapy, as well as an increase in apolipoprotein(a) production in cell culture studies with statins. We propose that future studies evaluate this phenomenon and physicians consider measuring Lp(a) pre- and post-first initiation of statin therapy. The adverse consequences of increases in Lp(a) levels post-statin therapy may play a role in the residual risk in patients treated with statins and should be evaluated in future studies.”

Makes me want to decrease my statin dose even further.

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Profile picture for whineboy @whineboy

I don’t believe statins can do anything to reduce Lp(a); given your low HDL, you also might want to make lifesyle changes. I shifted to a low-carb healthy fat diet 3 years ago, my Lp(a) dropped from 92 to 66. Took a year.
Lifestyle changes can improve a range of things, including blood lipid profiles, blood sugar, and weight. I lost 50 lbs. and no longer am prediabetic.
Good luck!

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Hello @whineboy,

I'm glad that you joined this discussion on the treatment of Lipoprotein (a). I'm glad to see that diet helped you to decrease your numbers. A healthy diet can certainly affect everyone's general health. Statins, however, have been shown to decrease Lipoprotein (a) as well. Here is a study published in the NIH that substantiates the effectiveness of statins.
https://www.atherosclerosis-journal.com/article/S0021-9150(19)31392-9/fulltext
@csage1010 and others interested in this topic all realize that a combination of a healthy diet as well as statins can make a big difference. in cardiovascular health.

Editor's Note:
The study cited has been corrected to the study that @hopeful33250 intended to post. Thank you for reporting the error.

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Profile picture for csage1010 (Sue) @csage1010

Yes, I am having the most trouble finding a good salad dressing that is made with olive or avocado oil, and I will use it sparingly. You are correct about statins.

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Primal Kitchen makes their dressings with avocado oil. I make my own with olive oil, herbs and raw vinegar.

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Profile picture for csage1010 (Sue) @csage1010

Yes, I am having the most trouble finding a good salad dressing that is made with olive or avocado oil, and I will use it sparingly. You are correct about statins.

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I'm lazy - Primal Kitchen has a range of avocado oil dressings (they are pricey) and Whole Foods has some made with olive oil (I like the romano cheese vinaigrette).

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