Dairy and prostate cancer: Conflicting information

Posted by rice @rice, Apr 18, 2024

Hi! I am 73 and have 6 prostate cancer that is being watched. I drink a lot of milk and eat a lot of cheese I have read some studies that say whole milk was associated with prostate cancer and to drink fat free milk. Then I read another study saying that skim milk was associated with prostate cancer, but high fat milk was ok to drink. Then I read another study that says no association between dairy and Prostate cancer. Kind of confusing ! does anyone have an opinion on this

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@heavyphil

A farmer told me that the US Dept of Ag allows you to say ‘organic’ on the label even though the product has been sprayed with numerous pesticides and fungicides…thank you, Monsanto!!
The ‘real’ organic farm near me sells veggies whose leaves have holes from nibbling insects, brown spots from damp rot and other less than appealing traits. You just know they’re the real deal but cosmetics are so important in our society…a real conundrum.

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That farmer is lying and if he is labeling it organic and uses synthetic pesticides, fungicides etc, he is doing it illegally. Not only produce needs to be chemical free the soil has to be "organic " too for produce to get an organic label.

Also, there are many natural ways to control pests and molds, so organic produce does not have to look "ugly" or hole-ridden LOL.

I grew my roses "organic" for many years and they looked fabulous. Unfortunately this year I am using "full on" systemic poisons : ((((, because I have no time nor energy to spend spraying regularly with sulfur, neem and copper : ( every 3 weeks *sigh. Oh well ...

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@surftohealth88

That farmer is lying and if he is labeling it organic and uses synthetic pesticides, fungicides etc, he is doing it illegally. Not only produce needs to be chemical free the soil has to be "organic " too for produce to get an organic label.

Also, there are many natural ways to control pests and molds, so organic produce does not have to look "ugly" or hole-ridden LOL.

I grew my roses "organic" for many years and they looked fabulous. Unfortunately this year I am using "full on" systemic poisons : ((((, because I have no time nor energy to spend spraying regularly with sulfur, neem and copper : ( every 3 weeks *sigh. Oh well ...

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https://althealthworks.com/organic-wheat-thats-not-organic-after-all-the-usdas-dirty-little-secret/#:~:text=Not%20Organic%20After-,All,-:%20The%20USDA%E2%80%99s%20Dirty
There are countless articles like this; gray areas, nudge-nudge wink-winks, don’t ask don’t tell, etc. What we, the general public, assume to be ‘organic’ ( and all the pastoral goodness that goes with it) may in many instances, NOT be the case.
No one is actually telling LIES; they’re just not telling the whole TRUTH.
Phil

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@heavyphil

https://althealthworks.com/organic-wheat-thats-not-organic-after-all-the-usdas-dirty-little-secret/#:~:text=Not%20Organic%20After-,All,-:%20The%20USDA%E2%80%99s%20Dirty
There are countless articles like this; gray areas, nudge-nudge wink-winks, don’t ask don’t tell, etc. What we, the general public, assume to be ‘organic’ ( and all the pastoral goodness that goes with it) may in many instances, NOT be the case.
No one is actually telling LIES; they’re just not telling the whole TRUTH.
Phil

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I am sure that many try to find loopholes and do it :(, but that is a separate problem.

Same with local "farmer's markets". The idea was to have positive impact on environment by reducing "carbon" emission by buying locally produced veggies and fruits but majority of stands actually sell produce transported from far places and pretend to be "local". There is just no hope - human greed has no limits and shortsightedness is a colossal issue.

Just the other day I read that for milk to be organic cows can not be treated with antibiotics EVER (???) I thought they can not be milked while on antibiotics - but no, they can not be treated , period O-o . So many cows walk around with eye infections, mastitis and infestation no matter what - I mean, AWFUL.

I lost my appetite for cow milk right there XP. Many people stop consuming animal products due to strong convictions, I am eating it less and less due to pure "disgust".

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@surftohealth88

I am sure that many try to find loopholes and do it :(, but that is a separate problem.

Same with local "farmer's markets". The idea was to have positive impact on environment by reducing "carbon" emission by buying locally produced veggies and fruits but majority of stands actually sell produce transported from far places and pretend to be "local". There is just no hope - human greed has no limits and shortsightedness is a colossal issue.

Just the other day I read that for milk to be organic cows can not be treated with antibiotics EVER (???) I thought they can not be milked while on antibiotics - but no, they can not be treated , period O-o . So many cows walk around with eye infections, mastitis and infestation no matter what - I mean, AWFUL.

I lost my appetite for cow milk right there XP. Many people stop consuming animal products due to strong convictions, I am eating it less and less due to pure "disgust".

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Yup, agree. In fact another government study found that most cases of e. Coli and fungal infections from produce were linked to organic farms, not conventional ones.
I guess that goes hand in hand with sick cows, right? There is, as you say, a tipping point where the concept of natural
and organic devolves into the realm of unhealthy and disgusting.

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@surftohealth88

May I ask what are you trying to achieve drinking lactose free milk : ) ? If you are avoiding just sugar for dietary reasons (insulin resistance) , than it could be a good choice.
If you are concerned about PC than perhaps plant based milk could be more beneficial ( like soy milk, almond milk , oat milk etc., but make sure it does not have added sugar, oils or emulsifiers ).

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I like milk generally, but I was concerned of possible issues while on a Disney Cruise on my 4th week post-SBRT. On the 2nd to the last day of the cruise (debarkation this morning), the server showed me a pack of almond milk and a pack of soya milk, and asked if I wanted to try either of them. I said I still preferred lactose-ftee milk.
I just arrived home from the airport and from tomorrow I plan to try the plant-based milk.
Thank you.

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@heavyphil

https://althealthworks.com/organic-wheat-thats-not-organic-after-all-the-usdas-dirty-little-secret/#:~:text=Not%20Organic%20After-,All,-:%20The%20USDA%E2%80%99s%20Dirty
There are countless articles like this; gray areas, nudge-nudge wink-winks, don’t ask don’t tell, etc. What we, the general public, assume to be ‘organic’ ( and all the pastoral goodness that goes with it) may in many instances, NOT be the case.
No one is actually telling LIES; they’re just not telling the whole TRUTH.
Phil

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I suggest that the produce growers can be more honest than they currently are. Like my baker friend in the old country: He labeled his product ,(sold in supermarkets) as "Whole wheat bread, with white flour added." He told that he had to add white flour to achieve consistency and improve the appearance of his "whole wheat bread."

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@vircet

I suggest that the produce growers can be more honest than they currently are. Like my baker friend in the old country: He labeled his product ,(sold in supermarkets) as "Whole wheat bread, with white flour added." He told that he had to add white flour to achieve consistency and improve the appearance of his "whole wheat bread."

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That's one reason I bake my own whole wheat molasses bread every week. It's easy (especially with a KitchenAid mixer to do the kneading), and I know exactly what's going into it.

It's not that I'm afraid commercial prepared food will hurt me; just that I know homemade food (when I have the time and ability) tastes better and is better for me.

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@northoftheborder

That's one reason I bake my own whole wheat molasses bread every week. It's easy (especially with a KitchenAid mixer to do the kneading), and I know exactly what's going into it.

It's not that I'm afraid commercial prepared food will hurt me; just that I know homemade food (when I have the time and ability) tastes better and is better for me.

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Absolutely…and I am sure there is a rule buried somewhere which states that you can call bread ‘whole wheat’ if it contains at least 10% whole grain.
The big food companies employ lobbyists to influence how these rules are written.
Phil

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@surftohealth88

That farmer is lying and if he is labeling it organic and uses synthetic pesticides, fungicides etc, he is doing it illegally. Not only produce needs to be chemical free the soil has to be "organic " too for produce to get an organic label.

Also, there are many natural ways to control pests and molds, so organic produce does not have to look "ugly" or hole-ridden LOL.

I grew my roses "organic" for many years and they looked fabulous. Unfortunately this year I am using "full on" systemic poisons : ((((, because I have no time nor energy to spend spraying regularly with sulfur, neem and copper : ( every 3 weeks *sigh. Oh well ...

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No, he made NO claim to being organic; simply mocked those who thought that anything ‘labeled’ organic was better for them. Many studies have shown comparable nutritional values in head to head comparisons.
None of us want to ingest toxic pesticides/fungicides; but you have to use common sense, wash your produce with soap and water (to dissolve oil based sprays) or peel your produce.
No cruciferous vegetables even require pesticides since their high sulfurophane content is a natural insect repellant - even the bugs won’t eat them!😉

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@northoftheborder

That's one reason I bake my own whole wheat molasses bread every week. It's easy (especially with a KitchenAid mixer to do the kneading), and I know exactly what's going into it.

It's not that I'm afraid commercial prepared food will hurt me; just that I know homemade food (when I have the time and ability) tastes better and is better for me.

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Not only the taste and knowing what goes into each loaf, pita and tortilla, but the aroma of baking bread is hard to beat!

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