Dairy and prostate cancer: Conflicting information

Posted by rice @rice, Apr 18, 2024

Hi! I am 73 and have 6 prostate cancer that is being watched. I drink a lot of milk and eat a lot of cheese I have read some studies that say whole milk was associated with prostate cancer and to drink fat free milk. Then I read another study saying that skim milk was associated with prostate cancer, but high fat milk was ok to drink. Then I read another study that says no association between dairy and Prostate cancer. Kind of confusing ! does anyone have an opinion on this

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@jime51

Agreed. I'm trying to go plant-based, and it's a challenge. I've read and viewed that prostate cancer cells feed on animal fat and protein, and the How Not to Die book recommends against all dairy other than yogurt (bacteria eliminating harmful chemicals) and against eggs (choline). What I mostly need to do is to lose the 15 pounds I've gained since starting Orgovyx.

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A tightrope walk between dying from cancer or dying from heart disease!
And the more ‘plant based’ info I find, the more confusing it gets. Heard a podcast from the Canadian CEO (The Chick Pea King) of this company that produces chick peas and lentils for export to India and Arab countries which are mostly vegetarian.
Something like 30% of all Indian children are starved for protein and suffer many health problems because of it.
I hate to be flip at such a serious statistic, but a nice steak could really help!

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@heavyphil

A tightrope walk between dying from cancer or dying from heart disease!
And the more ‘plant based’ info I find, the more confusing it gets. Heard a podcast from the Canadian CEO (The Chick Pea King) of this company that produces chick peas and lentils for export to India and Arab countries which are mostly vegetarian.
Something like 30% of all Indian children are starved for protein and suffer many health problems because of it.
I hate to be flip at such a serious statistic, but a nice steak could really help!

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There are ways to get vegetable protein such as beans, lentils, and soy, but it takes a bit of intentionality. PCRI has a video from 2023 called (something like) New Study Shows Effect of Diet on Prostate Cancer. They list six categories: smoking, exercise, weight management, processed foods, tomato/plant-based products, fish. Those who pursued the healthiest path in all six categories but had recurrent disease had an 80% improved survival rate.

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@jime51

Agreed. I'm trying to go plant-based, and it's a challenge. I've read and viewed that prostate cancer cells feed on animal fat and protein, and the How Not to Die book recommends against all dairy other than yogurt (bacteria eliminating harmful chemicals) and against eggs (choline). What I mostly need to do is to lose the 15 pounds I've gained since starting Orgovyx.

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I am vegan. But you don't have to be 100% vegan. If you are eating 3 meals a day, eat 2 meals plant based, as an example. I also follow Intermittent Fasting.

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@jime51

There are ways to get vegetable protein such as beans, lentils, and soy, but it takes a bit of intentionality. PCRI has a video from 2023 called (something like) New Study Shows Effect of Diet on Prostate Cancer. They list six categories: smoking, exercise, weight management, processed foods, tomato/plant-based products, fish. Those who pursued the healthiest path in all six categories but had recurrent disease had an 80% improved survival rate.

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If you're going the vegan route, the best way to get your vegetable proteins is by eating them in their normal state, instead of heavily processed into faux meats or cheeses. They're also mostly very inexpensive as ingredients, which is important when so many other grocery prices are rising.

A black-bean burrito, fresh-ground peanut butter on whole wheat bread, white bean and kale stew, lentil soup, hummus on a whole-grain pita, chickpea curry on brown basmati rice, etc. etc. are all delicious vegan dishes with a reasonably high amount of protein.

If you're fully vegan, also remember to take a B12 supplement, because it's very difficult to get your B12 from plant-based sources (you'd have to eat a *lot* of flax or nutritional yeast).

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I'm looking forward to an appointment I have next week with a Mayo cancer dietician. One of the major issues I'd like to discuss is the diverging and sometimes conflicting information on "dairy, eggs and red meat" for prostate cancer.

I'll be glad to share what I learn with this group.

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@northoftheborder

If you're going the vegan route, the best way to get your vegetable proteins is by eating them in their normal state, instead of heavily processed into faux meats or cheeses. They're also mostly very inexpensive as ingredients, which is important when so many other grocery prices are rising.

A black-bean burrito, fresh-ground peanut butter on whole wheat bread, white bean and kale stew, lentil soup, hummus on a whole-grain pita, chickpea curry on brown basmati rice, etc. etc. are all delicious vegan dishes with a reasonably high amount of protein.

If you're fully vegan, also remember to take a B12 supplement, because it's very difficult to get your B12 from plant-based sources (you'd have to eat a *lot* of flax or nutritional yeast).

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Thank you! When I talk about going plant-based, the first response I hear is "I couldn't go completely vegan; you won't get enough protein." My wife buys or makes hummus and lentil soup, black bean burgers or enchiladas, and a church friend keeps sending us recipes.

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@ava11

I am vegan. But you don't have to be 100% vegan. If you are eating 3 meals a day, eat 2 meals plant based, as an example. I also follow Intermittent Fasting.

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A former sister-in-law added a strict vegan diet to her chemotherapy, radiation, and surgery and has been Stage 4 breast cancer since 2008. Her husband recommended "How Not to Die (M. Greger, M.D.)" which touts plant-based diets to prevent or reverse disease.

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Well, milk and cheese has growth hormones and saturated fats if not organic it will be loaded with other crap so why take the chance? Avoid red meat or all animal products while you are at it too can’t hurt either not just for PC for general health if nothing else, just my two cents
Zzotte

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@heavyphil

A tightrope walk between dying from cancer or dying from heart disease!
And the more ‘plant based’ info I find, the more confusing it gets. Heard a podcast from the Canadian CEO (The Chick Pea King) of this company that produces chick peas and lentils for export to India and Arab countries which are mostly vegetarian.
Something like 30% of all Indian children are starved for protein and suffer many health problems because of it.
I hate to be flip at such a serious statistic, but a nice steak could really help!

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Most people in India are Hindu and they do not eat beef ; ). Actually most are vegetarians. That on the side, it is really horrible fact that so many people are starving in this world and so much wealth floats around. I mean, how can billionaires sleep at night is beyond me ... (with exclusion of Gates, of course). I can hardly make ends meet but am still sending charity and always feel so sad that I can not give more and have to "choose" of whom to send : (((.

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@surftohealth88

Most people in India are Hindu and they do not eat beef ; ). Actually most are vegetarians. That on the side, it is really horrible fact that so many people are starving in this world and so much wealth floats around. I mean, how can billionaires sleep at night is beyond me ... (with exclusion of Gates, of course). I can hardly make ends meet but am still sending charity and always feel so sad that I can not give more and have to "choose" of whom to send : (((.

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Yes, that was the main point of the podcast. Religious and cultural practices sometime act to the detriment of good health. And They simply do not have the technology/ability to produce enough plant protein for consumption.
This is where the Chick Pea King of Saskatchewan comes in. He produces tons and tons of legumes for export to the Middle East and India where meat is either a luxury or forbidden due to religious beliefs.
He is the son of Turkish immigrants and understands the importance of agri-technology. He feels blessed to have such success and this is his way of giving back - so different from the Musks and Bezoses of the world.

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