Dairy and prostate cancer: Conflicting information

Here are a couple of ideas (my garden was overly generous with kale last season 🙂):

1. "Massage" the kale before you eat it in a salad. I like the crispiness, personally, but if you take it off the stem and crunch it into balls a couple of times, it's a lot more like leaf lettuce.

2. Look for recipes for white bean & kale soup (wine is usually also a big ingredient): surprisingly tasty, and I'm not at all a bean fan.

3. Lightly salt the kale and bake it into kale chips in the oven. Just trust me on this one.

Back to the original subject, "Dairy and prostate cancer: Conflicting information" — it's conflicting because you're looking at isolated early studies. The vast majority of those will turn out to have been statistical noise rather than actual information. It rarely makes sense to act on research findings at that stage, because you'll be running around like a chicken with its head cut off, constantly changing direction ("red wine is bad" ... "no wait, it's good'" ... "oh shucks, it's bad again").

It takes a long time for the research community to mine any tiny nuggets of genuine information out of the slag heap of statistical noise. Assume any popular article or video that starts with the words "a new study shows..." and then goes on to recommend specific actions is unreliable.

Good morning. FYI, I’ll be 73 next month. About 2 years ago I was on a Prostate cancer podcast with prostate cancer experts. There was a female prostate cancer nutrition expert who mentioned that dairy products should be avoided. She mentioned eating a lot of plant based products, including plant based milk. She also specifically said to drink RIPPLE Milk. I’ve been drinking it ever since. It’s a little bit more expensive but does taste good. I’ve also cut out most dairy and processed sugars and increased my consumption of fruits and vegetables. I just had my 5th PSA blood test since my RP in November of 2023 and it is still < 0.01🤞🙏. I echo what another poster said that if you feel its working don’t fix. BTW, I’ve also lost 8 pounds that I attribute to my diet changes. I a not even close to being over weight. Best of luck in your decisions!

Be aware that podcasters and other online "influencers" (including real experts) often earn a significant portion of their income from product endorsements. That might not be the case here, but it's always important to keep a healthy skepticism.

In addition to selling directly, the sponsors hope people will echo the influencer's endorsement in their own social media posts. I know from an advertising acquaintance that that's called "earned media," and it's highly prized, not only because it's free, but because people see it coming from someone they might already know and trust, rather than from a corporation or online personality.

There is no question in my mind that here was no solicitation here. However, your advice is well taken.👍

Giving up my latte is just a step too far.

@hanscasteels wrote "Giving up my latte is just a step too far. "

And it's too latte baby now, it's too latte
Though we really did try to make it …

(apologies to Carole King)

We never had "western diet" BUT we did consume milk and cheese and other milk products in abundance.

I read many reports about milk and to me (as biologist) the explanation about naturally present hormones in any kind of milk can perhaps effect PC (and other hormone sensitive cancers). There was even study that was done to measure exact amount of milk that is safe to consume , ha ha, sounds funny but hey - it seems that 3/4 cup of milk daily make no difference.

We decided to lower milk intake (and all other milk products). There are so many substitutes that really it is very easy to make adjustment. However, we make sure that substitute is of great quality without added sugar, gums , flavoring, etc.

I am glad to see that you have finally taken a firm stand and drawn a line that you will not cross in your battle with this most potent literary catalyst. And what could be more deserving than than one's chosen form of caffeination!

Hey Jacko, are you sure that’s Ripple MILK and not Ripple WINE? 😁
Remember that stuff?
Your diet sounds like a sane, well balanced one so stay on it. What always gets me when “experts” say to avoid dairy is that milk - good organic milk - contains estrogens!
So they tell you that milk may cause or enhance the chance of PCa but then they put you ON ADT when you get PCa!! Do you see a totally f****d up mixed message here?
Don’t eat dairy - it contains estrogen hormones!! You have prostate cancer - we’re putting you on estrogen-like hormones!!
Maybe a better treatment should consist of 35% heavy cream since it contains the highest amount of estrogen/progesterone and would be a great and tasty substitute for ADT?
My suggestion is, of course, absurd; but so are the many boilerplate dictums handed out like candy by these “experts”.
Maybe estrogen sensitive breast cancer might be affected by dairy for obvious reasons, but much more actual research needs to be done for PCa.
Phil