Chronic severe nocturnal hypnic headaches
I am looking for anyone else who has been diagnosed and treated for chronic, severe nocturnal hypnic headaches. I have had them for about 12 years, and on treatment, but not optimal treatment. I am interested in hearing how others with this rare diagnosis are being told to treat them safely.
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Hi, @shaylala – I would like to add my welcome to Connect along with Lisa's @lisalucier. I can't imagine being woken from sleep by a headache. I've had migraines in the past but nothing that occurs on a regular basis. I did find a few articles on hypnic headaches but I'm not sure it they are helpful.
NIH - Hints on Diagnosing and Treating Headache
-- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5974268/
Mayo Clinic Research Output - The hypnic ('alarm clock') headache syndrome
-- https://mayoclinic.pure.elsevier.com/en/publications/the-hypnic-alarm-clock-headache-syndrome
Mayo Clinic Proceedings - Diagnosis and Management of Headache in Older Adults
-- https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(17)30871-6/fulltext
Hope you find some answers soon.
John
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4 ReactionsHi, @shaylala - welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. Sounds like your pain is truly horrible -- skull-crushing, as you mentioned. I am glad that some of the posts in this discussion were helpful.
Hoping that @patiencepie @meme59 @so4tune8 @dawn_giacabazi @gussie @cherylsd @lauriedr @kdubois may have some input, since you've found estrogen wasn't the answer for your severe nocturnal hypnic headaches and you've had to discontinue the Amitriptyline and Topiramate (Topomax). @johnbishop may also have some thoughts for you.
@shaylala - have you gotten to ask your doctor what to try next at this point? Is so, what did he or she recommend?
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3 ReactionsUnfortunately, estrogen is not the answer. I keep praying that something will trigger these skull crushing headaches to cease as mysteriously as they began. I do feel better from discontinuing the Amitriptyline and Topomax. While they seemed to reduce the severity and frequency, the side effects weren’t tolerable. Seems bizarre that the pain is more crushing than any other migraine I ever had and that no narcotic thrown at it seemed to help, but excedrin migraine does reduce the pain and occasionally stop it altogether. The hours without sleep are draining either way. All the caffeine and excedrin are tough on my stomach and bladder. Any ideas and suggestions from other sufferers are appreciated.
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1 ReactionI am a 62 year old female in otherwise excellent health at 5’5”, 120lbs. I exercise regularly and have a decent diet. I began experiencing hypnic headaches the end of August 2018. They began waking me every few nights with severe pain in left side of head only. I tried Zomig which I have on hand for occasional migraines but it did nothing. I would sit and hold an ice pack to my head for hours, and start drinking coffee. Doctor put me on Amitriptyline and scheduled an MRI but couldn’t get in for weeks. She also prescribed a strong pain med that didn’t help. They got so severe after the first few weeks and woke me every night about 2:30 that we finally went to the emergency room. They did 3 different MRI’s and a CAT scan which ruled out our worst fears. Met with neurologists, and luckily found this post one night while up with pain and desperately seeking answers. My neurologist confirmed the Hypnic headache classification. I began taking Melatonin, along with Amitriptyline which disrupted the regularity of the headaches but did not stop them. Found caffeine and exedrin migraine help the pain per suggestions found here. The neurologist added Topomax as a preventative. Although the headaches became less frequent and somewhat less severe, the side effects of the medication left me shaky, cloudy thinking, and feeling pretty awful most of the time. I went to a chiropractor too since I do have back and neck issues, and while he helped those issues it had no effect on the headaches. However, I had discontinued estrogen therapy several months ago and thought this could be related. After having a hysterectomy at 52, I had started bio-identical estrogen therapy which greatly reduced the number of migraines I was getting pre-menopausal. I started estrogen patches at a lower dose last week and began weaning myself off the other meds. I haven’t been awakened by a headache since and am down to 5mg Melatonin (from 12mg) completely off the Topomax and only took 1/4 of the 50mg Amitriptyline last night. I feel so much better today I’m beside myself. I will keep you posted if anything changes. I wanted to share this since your suggestions helped me through such a terrible and frightening time.
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2 Reactions@meme59 glad to hear you are finally getting some relief. When I had migraines caffeine did help too, and back then it did not interfere with my sleep. Now it does.
JK
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2 ReactionsI began getting morning headaches at 55 for the first time with the beginning of menopause that were easy to cure with my morning coffee and getting up.I eat well exersize,am happy and relaxed.Later I got the classic 2 or 3 am headaches, that only Excedrin would cure.They progressed to nightly and with more pain.I noticed a monthly cycle that matches the moon with regards to the intensity.
Even though I am post menopausal now at 60, they have not gone away. I tried 3 preventative drugs with no response , accupuncture and every supplement possible. I was first diagnosed with cronic Migraines but now they label me with a Hypnic Headache. I think my circadian rythmn is off from lack of sleep and hot flashes as well as many trips overseas.I sleep better with eye shades.Recently I tried a caffeine pills before bed and melatonin.So far it's working and I am glad to be off Excedrin.Time to give my stomach a rest. I even feel less bloated and swollen from the improvement with inflammation.Crossing my fingers it continues for a whole month.
I would love to connect with anyone else who is studying this too.
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1 Reaction@patiencepie I did not have hypnic headaches but I did have very severe migraines that lasted 3 days, occasionally four, once or twice a month, coinciding with ovulation and menstruation. As with you, the pain was excruciating. I too was desperate. Back then we didn't have the internet (my migraines finally stopped about 15 years ago, so I researched everywhere I could -- the library, reading books in bookstores, everything. I read somewhere that most migraine sufferers know more about them than most doctors do, unless the doctor is a real specialist, and I believe it.
One of the things I remember reading about is rebound headaches. Is it possible that the medications you are taking could be causing them? Your body gets so adjusted to the medications that when they wear off it all starts all over again, if I recall correctly, and it sounds as if that's what's happening to you.
I hope you can find a real specialist, a doctor who knows the absolute most about these headaches. I was fortunate that mine were never more than two times a month, but even that made my life miserable, it was impossible to plan ahead for anything. I did have some lesser, more manageable, headaches in between the migraines, more like minor migraines, brought on by certain foods. The two worst foods were raw onions and chocolate. I could eat white chocolate but not regular.
I will be thinking of you and hoping for you to find relief from your pain. My daughter goes through this now with migraines but often the current medications can give her some help although they do not seem to totally take the pain away, there is a lingering lesser pain. When she is going through one she often calls me, knowing I can sympathize and of course I feel terrible when she does, knowing exactly what she is feeling.
JK
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3 ReactionsHi, @patiencepie - I can see the extreme pain with the hypnic headaches you are experiencing throughout your words about it. I hear that this quality of life is not sustainable for you.
Hoping members in this discussion here like @leamm @so4tune8 @bernese53 @taterjoy @kdubois and @dawn_giacabazi will return and offer some insights on your situation with the horrible pain and then the medications destroying your waking life.
Have you gotten to talk to your neurologist at your regional headache clinic in the last couple days about how excruciating your pain is, how your waking life is affected and how the reality of life dominated by pain is not seeming doable for you?
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2 ReactionsI’m in bed right now awake at 3:45 am waiting for a horrible hypnic headache to pass. The pain is extreme and I know everyone here understands completely. I have taken my caffeine and am waiting patiently and trying not to cry. This has been happening now every single night for weeks and each week the pain ratchets up a notch. The neurologists at my regional Headache Clinic confirm that this is hypnic headache although sometimes a migraine piggybacks on it. While caffeine and Imitrex eventually help, taking them every night has destroyed my waking life too since after taking caffeine I’m wide awake and grinding my teeth for the next four hours. This cycle happens every single day. Excruciating pain followed by upset stomach ,
drowsiness and depression. If this is my new normal then it’s time to research suicide because this quality of life is not sustainable for me. I’ll obviously think hard and consult a psychiatric specialist before taking any kind of action but if this severe daily pain is a permanent condition I don’t want to grind on for decades. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have this unbearable pain and also suffer from dementia. It could explain the patients screaming in nursing homes. Perhaps they are in the middle of a horrific migraine and no one knows or cares. I watched my beautiful mother—a triathlete who developed Alzheimer’s — weeping and thrashing in her bed, unable to speak and clearly suffering. The nursing staff couldn’t figure out what she was experiencing so just gave her Ambien. But what if it was acute migraine? Please god no one should suffer like that. Being trapped in this pain with no hope or help is my deepest fear. Doctors are sympathetic but in the end they DON’T know how you feel and can go home and forget about you. Which of course they do. It’s human nature. I’m realizing that ultimately the reality of a life dominated by pain will not be sustainable for me. Lots to think about.
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1 ReactionYou’re describing my life Gussie. I’m so sorry for you and so depressed for us both. I don’t think I can live with this pain for years. Every night is torture.
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