Chronic severe nocturnal hypnic headaches

@gej95014 Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. It sounds like you are seeking proper care for your nocturnal hypnic headaches but you are still unsure why you are having the headaches and how to treat them. Did I get that right?

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@gej95014 Welcome to Mayo Clinic Connect. It sounds like you are seeking proper care for your nocturnal hypnic headaches but you are still unsure why you are having the headaches and how to treat them. Did I get that right?

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Good morning. I'm new to this group for nocturnal hypnic headaches. My headaches (migraines actually) began only a few weeks ago. Working with my family doctor for a diagnosis/treatment. The occurrence is nightly around the same time, approximately 2-3 hours after going to sleep (I'm a 73 year old male, using a CPAP machine for years now. Can't seem to figure out how to post a general question to this group for comment and reply. Hoping you can direct me to the link. Thank you
Post note; I'm finding caffeine, walking daily as well as this 4 point exercise to help. Hope it helps you and others as well: Sorry, as new member "they" will not allow me to post a link yet. "Attention Required
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Good morning. I'm new to this group for nocturnal hypnic headaches. My headaches (migraines actually) began only a few weeks ago. Working with my family doctor for a diagnosis/treatment. The occurrence is nightly around the same time, approximately 2-3 hours after going to sleep (I'm a 73 year old male, using a CPAP machine for years now. Can't seem to figure out how to post a general question to this group for comment and reply. Hoping you can direct me to the link. Thank you
Post note; I'm finding caffeine, walking daily as well as this 4 point exercise to help. Hope it helps you and others as well: Sorry, as new member "they" will not allow me to post a link yet. "Attention Required
Your message cannot be posted. To protect against unwanted spam, newly registered members are not eligible to post messages that include links and URLs. Please try again without links, try again in a few days or contact support."

Unable to find your posts but went to the Shifa web site. Does your wife use the Shifa company tea or another company’s Shifa? Thanks

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Have any of the other things you have tried helped at all? Does anything give you relief? Again it seems unfathomable to live in this pain for 15 years and find nothing that gives even temporary relief. Did you happen to read my posts about the Shifa migraine tea? If you use the search window above and enter the word shifa you will get links to some of those posts. My wife has used it successfully to treat her headaches. Might be worth looking into for yourself. Best, Hank

HI Colleen, thankyou for your rapid response and suggestion. I read Dr. Swansons summary years ago, and have tried all of the treatments listed (one by one, and in combinations). I have been taking Indomethacin preventatively now for nine years nightly exactly two hours before bedtime and I drink coffee before bedtime as well. I take a medication to prevent stomach ulcers also. I have tried others listed with it (lithium, Depakote). Before the diagnosis of Hypnic headaches and use of indomethacin, I was waking up 4 times nightly, cyclically at the same tiems each night, with a severe inflammatory headache. I basically woke up and had to quickly stand, grab my head, and pace for hours crying. I could not sit or lie down, and usually ended up throwing up after hours of pacing and being so fatiqued I could no longer stand. Prevention with Indomethacin has helped me more than other remedies, but it too fails from time to time, and many mornings I awaken with a mild hypnic headache despite preventative treatment.

The main issues I have is periods of abdominal severe irritation with Indomethacin (I then take Carafate when acute), and I would say on average, the indomethacin fails at least 1-2 times per month, in which case I inject Toradol in the middle of the night (to avoid the ER), and take frovatriptan and ondansetron with it. If all else fails, I end up at the ER (about once every 2 years in recent years--it used to be more often). The diagnoses are Hypnic headaches, cluster headaches, and hormonal migraines (cyclically). I used to wear a Sancuso patch 24/7 to help prevent vomiting all night and ending up at the ER, but my vomiting is under better control now. The Narcotic that was prescribed historically (Stadol) made me violently sick (vomiting and diarreah). I have had about 3 brain scans over the years due to the violent intensity of the headaches upon waking; all showed no tumors.

All in all, I have tried about 40 meds and/or combinations of meds over the years to control hormonal migraines, hypnic headaches, and cluster headaches. I believe the hormonal migraine headaches are related to diagnoses of PCOS (for which I have used strict diet, exercise, and weight control since I was 20 years old) and hashimotos thyroiditis with hypothyroidism. Before treatment with Synthroid begun in 2002, my headaches were chronic daily headaches. I also have two endocrine related allergies. In the past I was patient of two specialists at Jefferson Headache Center in Philadelphia, PA;, and also have seen a specialist in North Carolina (Charlotte area); and one in San Francisco most recently (I live in CA now). This San Fran. Specialist diagnosed Hypnic headaches in 2007 after about 5 months, having me on about 7 different meds prior to diagnosis; but after a few months, his advice became bizarre and unhelpful.

Despite how this sounds, I am otherwise healthy. I eat healthfully, my weight is kept around 110 (5'5") and I exercise daily. All vital signs and cholesterol values are normal.

I would love to hear from those have tagged in hopes that they may know other patients with recalcitrant hypnic headaches to learn what they are doing, and what might work. I have been a part of an internet international Support Group for headaches moderated by Teri Roberts for over 30 years, and have not met even one patient yet with hypnic headaches. Thank you so much for replying to my comment!

Very happy to see that Mayo set up Mayo Connect! Thanks again for your help Collen!!!

Have tried caffeine at bedtime but it never helped. Caffeine at onset has helped but now am wondering if my body is either causing side effects from caffeine or the after effects of the h’ache. Will do trial without caffeine. Thanks for your concern and reply. This is the first place that I have found others with similar symptoms and empahy

I wish there was something I could do take that would eliminate my headaches. I cannot drink coffee. I have had migraines for 22 years. When I get up[ to do something at night and am having a migraine my gait is staggering. Sometimes they awaken me and the room is whirling. I must sit it an upright position and put my head down for a while to get rid of that feeling. I am tired all day because of mine. Has anyone else noticed this? If I have one in the morning after I get up when I get tired my vision suddenly gets double and I can get staggering gait. I have atypical migraines. Does anyone have atypical migraines? All medications and chiropractic have failed.