Chronic Back Pain for Years

Posted by jlfisher56 @jlfisher56, May 2, 2017

6 back surgeries (extensive cervical and lumbar fusions) with neurological complications. Left with chronic pain. Accident happened in Nursing career 1992 and worked with first fusions until 1999 (failed fusions). At my age, and as a former nurse educator, I never wanted to had to rely on medication/s for the severe pain. Having thoroughly exhausted exploring sites using non-pharmaceutical methods, using psychological methods, biofeedback, trying to accept my limitations, i.e., I still believe somewhere…out there…is hope. The strong medicine has caused gastroparesis, further complicating my health problems. They are too numerous to write and I will not focus on them. I am looking for “help” and guidance. If I can be of assistance to anyone throughout their trials, (perhaps similar to some of what I have gone through), I will.

@parus

@gailb I see the pain specialist/neurologist in August. I will ask him about the Tramadol. Out of desperation I had botox injections from DDS because of TMJ. Not FDA approved for TMJ and set me back $1200. Trigger point injections in several areas as the clinching/grinding had my upper back (scoliosis) in a lot of pain. I have a splint and having it built back up has not helped. All docs around are fearful of prescribing anything stronger than OTC's. Hopefully this fear will pass. I don't have a history of substance abuse. The injections in my jaws has helped some. The whole body is connected!!! No relief from the other injections, but it can take 3 to 10 days to notice any change. Sure hope I did not throw that money a way.
Anyone else have experience with botox injections?

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@hopeful33250 Thanks Teresa for my daily dose of dopamine. Botox as I am allergic to all steroids. As we all know insurance does not cover thus. Worth a try. Too much else going on to know if it was worth the money. Desperation may have given me the courage to deplete my resources. Can still pay bills so could be worse.

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@parus

@gailb I see the pain specialist/neurologist in August. I will ask him about the Tramadol. Out of desperation I had botox injections from DDS because of TMJ. Not FDA approved for TMJ and set me back $1200. Trigger point injections in several areas as the clinching/grinding had my upper back (scoliosis) in a lot of pain. I have a splint and having it built back up has not helped. All docs around are fearful of prescribing anything stronger than OTC's. Hopefully this fear will pass. I don't have a history of substance abuse. The injections in my jaws has helped some. The whole body is connected!!! No relief from the other injections, but it can take 3 to 10 days to notice any change. Sure hope I did not throw that money a way.
Anyone else have experience with botox injections?

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@contentandwell I have amphibians for the creepy crawlies and really do not mind bugs. I also purchase fresh flowers at the grocery. Mostly in the winter and then I check to reduced rack. Also have several houseplants.
Okay, again I veered off topic. I can get help to have happy eyes and in a way it does help the back, etc pain.
An old country kid-if I could grow veggies!

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@parus

@gailb I see the pain specialist/neurologist in August. I will ask him about the Tramadol. Out of desperation I had botox injections from DDS because of TMJ. Not FDA approved for TMJ and set me back $1200. Trigger point injections in several areas as the clinching/grinding had my upper back (scoliosis) in a lot of pain. I have a splint and having it built back up has not helped. All docs around are fearful of prescribing anything stronger than OTC's. Hopefully this fear will pass. I don't have a history of substance abuse. The injections in my jaws has helped some. The whole body is connected!!! No relief from the other injections, but it can take 3 to 10 days to notice any change. Sure hope I did not throw that money a way.
Anyone else have experience with botox injections?

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@hopeful33250 Thanks Teresa. I actually took those pictures to send to my daughter, she had sent me an assorted beautiful bouquet of those (can't remember the name right now) last year so now they make me think of her.
JK

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@jfisher54 My L2fracture was in private duty but I refused surgery so I do my best ,I've at times use ,Epsom salts bath take extra magnesium ,app!e cider vinegar is as good as Epsom salts in bath water.With my fibromyalgia I take Fibro Malic all this works for me After I started to heal Dr.started weaning me of narcs now I only take Tramadol 1,at h.s. +melatonin also I was telling bunnysammy about Arnica Gel and ☕ ,ginger Tumeric tea I now have a bulging disc waiting to see a neurosurgeon for this.I'm a retired L.P.N.from Pa.and knowledge can hurt at times I,'ll bet you where furious at that dumb Dr.I would be.When I fractured my back I did get w.comp.so I could move to Ca to be near my son.I have nerve pain in my thighs almost constantly from the back ,Dr.told me Can you get in a pool? Aqua exercise is good for I have extensive arthritis also boy isn't it great to get old ?I'm 75 I've studied herbal and homeopathic meds that I use they help also .Best of luck to you as are all pain warriors ,not sissy.

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@lioness

@jfisher54 My L2fracture was in private duty but I refused surgery so I do my best ,I've at times use ,Epsom salts bath take extra magnesium ,app!e cider vinegar is as good as Epsom salts in bath water.With my fibromyalgia I take Fibro Malic all this works for me After I started to heal Dr.started weaning me of narcs now I only take Tramadol 1,at h.s. +melatonin also I was telling bunnysammy about Arnica Gel and ☕ ,ginger Tumeric tea I now have a bulging disc waiting to see a neurosurgeon for this.I'm a retired L.P.N.from Pa.and knowledge can hurt at times I,'ll bet you where furious at that dumb Dr.I would be.When I fractured my back I did get w.comp.so I could move to Ca to be near my son.I have nerve pain in my thighs almost constantly from the back ,Dr.told me Can you get in a pool? Aqua exercise is good for I have extensive arthritis also boy isn't it great to get old ?I'm 75 I've studied herbal and homeopathic meds that I use they help also .Best of luck to you as are all pain warriors ,not sissy.

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@lioness
I learned to couple a Vitamin B complex with my pain pills. This helps a great deal. It takes about an hour for me to really feel the difference, but then I can move about quite smoothly.
My L2 was broken as a 5 year old when my older sister pushed me out of a barn loft window/door. I've had problems with it for about 63 years now, and mostly it is fine, but can be a bother. For awhile after the break I had so much trouble with balance my folks thought it was my feet and never knew I had broken my back as they never took me to see a doctor or had an Xray. I only got the diagnosis from an ortho looking at a disfigured vertebrae when I was about 50 or 55.

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@lioness

@jfisher54 My L2fracture was in private duty but I refused surgery so I do my best ,I've at times use ,Epsom salts bath take extra magnesium ,app!e cider vinegar is as good as Epsom salts in bath water.With my fibromyalgia I take Fibro Malic all this works for me After I started to heal Dr.started weaning me of narcs now I only take Tramadol 1,at h.s. +melatonin also I was telling bunnysammy about Arnica Gel and ☕ ,ginger Tumeric tea I now have a bulging disc waiting to see a neurosurgeon for this.I'm a retired L.P.N.from Pa.and knowledge can hurt at times I,'ll bet you where furious at that dumb Dr.I would be.When I fractured my back I did get w.comp.so I could move to Ca to be near my son.I have nerve pain in my thighs almost constantly from the back ,Dr.told me Can you get in a pool? Aqua exercise is good for I have extensive arthritis also boy isn't it great to get old ?I'm 75 I've studied herbal and homeopathic meds that I use they help also .Best of luck to you as are all pain warriors ,not sissy.

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@eileena I will have to get some His it B complex you take ?I will try this .Thanks ,How did you live with this all those years? Bless you

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@lioness

@jfisher54 My L2fracture was in private duty but I refused surgery so I do my best ,I've at times use ,Epsom salts bath take extra magnesium ,app!e cider vinegar is as good as Epsom salts in bath water.With my fibromyalgia I take Fibro Malic all this works for me After I started to heal Dr.started weaning me of narcs now I only take Tramadol 1,at h.s. +melatonin also I was telling bunnysammy about Arnica Gel and ☕ ,ginger Tumeric tea I now have a bulging disc waiting to see a neurosurgeon for this.I'm a retired L.P.N.from Pa.and knowledge can hurt at times I,'ll bet you where furious at that dumb Dr.I would be.When I fractured my back I did get w.comp.so I could move to Ca to be near my son.I have nerve pain in my thighs almost constantly from the back ,Dr.told me Can you get in a pool? Aqua exercise is good for I have extensive arthritis also boy isn't it great to get old ?I'm 75 I've studied herbal and homeopathic meds that I use they help also .Best of luck to you as are all pain warriors ,not sissy.

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@lioness It is B-Complex and can be bought at CVS or Sprouts or any health foods place. I usually take 2 capsules with 2 generic Tylenol 600mg.

When you are a kid you have no idea what is it that is making your posture bad, nor do you understand why your back aches. You just adapt and do your best. I even managed to run when I wanted to, but got plenty tired. The worst part was probably having to ask my dad to stop the car when we moved from one place to another so I could go behind a bush to relieve my bladder. It seemed to be too small all the time.

Only if I do something like get down on my knees and do things there and cannot return to standing easily that it reminds me and I pay for it for a few days.

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@jakedduck1

@2011panc
My goodness, something I didn’t know. I can’t be called a “know it all” anymore. So do you know if it is the THC that relieves pain? I read but don’t know if it’s true that THC has to be burned to create the high. This is such a complicated issue more than I’ll ever understand.

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@jakedduck1

Where dis you get the idea that marijuana w/THC has to be burned to produce a high? It's not true. The THC is what makes people high, and it can be in edibles, tincture, vaped or smoked in a "joint." Most medical marijuana prescriptions recommend tincture under your tongue, edibles, or vaping. There are no apparent problems identified at this point for smoking/vaping it, but my intuition tells me it's not wise to do that. Anything you put in your lungs could be harmful in my opinion.

Research that's been done has shown Marijuana and CBD extracts are in fact useful for pain, nausea, and anxiety (to some extent). It has also shown that marijuana is not addictive nor a gateway drug. Further research is needed and has finally begun due to loosening of the extreme restrictions placed on marijuana in the past.

Gail
Volunteer Mentor

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@jakedduck1

@marylou705
I hope your not getting all your information from the dispensary. They have to be biased.
BIG SALES IN CALIFORNIA TODAY!!!
Tomorrow new labeling laws and regulations go into effect. Supposedly either no pesticides or stricter laws on which can be used. Burning the pesticides alters there chemical makeup. Like now NO CONSUMER is really going to know for absolute surety what actually in the stuff. In California every Marijuana product must be labeled and pre packaged. Personally I don’t believe it will all be regulated or tested like it’s supposed to be. If any inert ingredients are used you have to be concerned where they are grown and what types of food, pesticides etc are being used. Prices go up tomorrow or Monday. Get prepared to fork over the bigger bucks kids.

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@jakedduck1

You may have figured out by now that I am in support of legalizing Marijuana and it's derivatives. While much work remains to be done in terms of clearly defining what can and cannot be in the product, for the most part, producers are self regulating in California and Washington State. People don't want to get a bad reputation for selling "bad weed." Even at that, many of us take food supplements–vitamins–that are not regulated either. I don't see much difference between currently unregulated marijuana and unregulated vitamins.

I think marijuana has the potential to provide relief for a number of physical problems and possibly some mental illness issues as well. Time will tell. Fear of marijuana by the government has been forced into our psyches for many years. Some say it's because pharmaceutical companies didn't want people growing their own so they couldn't make money on it. I don't know who started the idea that marijuana should be a Schedule 1 drug, meaning it is considered the most dangerous drug along with opium and heroin, but it is nothing like opium, heroin, cocaine, etc. It is much more benign than the other Schedule 1 drugs.

Time for the government to correct the perception and illegal status of marijuana at the Federal level, in my opinion. That will free patients to be prescribed medical marijuana to help with pain while being able to continue other medications prescribed. Currently, one must choose all marijuana meds, or only prescribed meds because doctors must now test for use of Marijuana and derivatives and if they show up in the urine test, the patient loses their other prescriptions for pain. Doctors can lose their licenses if they knowingly prescribe for patients who are using marijuana too. Most are "kicked out" of Pain Clinics at that point.

Gail
Volunteer Mentor

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@jakedduck1

@marylou705
I hope your not getting all your information from the dispensary. They have to be biased.
BIG SALES IN CALIFORNIA TODAY!!!
Tomorrow new labeling laws and regulations go into effect. Supposedly either no pesticides or stricter laws on which can be used. Burning the pesticides alters there chemical makeup. Like now NO CONSUMER is really going to know for absolute surety what actually in the stuff. In California every Marijuana product must be labeled and pre packaged. Personally I don’t believe it will all be regulated or tested like it’s supposed to be. If any inert ingredients are used you have to be concerned where they are grown and what types of food, pesticides etc are being used. Prices go up tomorrow or Monday. Get prepared to fork over the bigger bucks kids.

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@Gail I do agree with you about the pharmaceutical companies they could make money on it if they controlled it.It's all politics then the lobbyist wouldn't be there for?

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@lioness

@jfisher54 My L2fracture was in private duty but I refused surgery so I do my best ,I've at times use ,Epsom salts bath take extra magnesium ,app!e cider vinegar is as good as Epsom salts in bath water.With my fibromyalgia I take Fibro Malic all this works for me After I started to heal Dr.started weaning me of narcs now I only take Tramadol 1,at h.s. +melatonin also I was telling bunnysammy about Arnica Gel and ☕ ,ginger Tumeric tea I now have a bulging disc waiting to see a neurosurgeon for this.I'm a retired L.P.N.from Pa.and knowledge can hurt at times I,'ll bet you where furious at that dumb Dr.I would be.When I fractured my back I did get w.comp.so I could move to Ca to be near my son.I have nerve pain in my thighs almost constantly from the back ,Dr.told me Can you get in a pool? Aqua exercise is good for I have extensive arthritis also boy isn't it great to get old ?I'm 75 I've studied herbal and homeopathic meds that I use they help also .Best of luck to you as are all pain warriors ,not sissy.

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@Elinna The therapist told me never twist m y back I can't s crub my floors for the movement and if I could find someone to do my dishes that would help

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@jakedduck1

@2011panc
My goodness, something I didn’t know. I can’t be called a “know it all” anymore. So do you know if it is the THC that relieves pain? I read but don’t know if it’s true that THC has to be burned to create the high. This is such a complicated issue more than I’ll ever understand.

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@gailb I read it somewhere that it had to be smoked, don’t remember where. Not saying what I read is accurate.

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@jakedduck1

@2011panc
My goodness, something I didn’t know. I can’t be called a “know it all” anymore. So do you know if it is the THC that relieves pain? I read but don’t know if it’s true that THC has to be burned to create the high. This is such a complicated issue more than I’ll ever understand.

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No, for pain it can be drops or salves, maybe even lozenges or candy.  Smoking can give you lung cancer!  @marylou705

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@lioness

@jfisher54 My L2fracture was in private duty but I refused surgery so I do my best ,I've at times use ,Epsom salts bath take extra magnesium ,app!e cider vinegar is as good as Epsom salts in bath water.With my fibromyalgia I take Fibro Malic all this works for me After I started to heal Dr.started weaning me of narcs now I only take Tramadol 1,at h.s. +melatonin also I was telling bunnysammy about Arnica Gel and ☕ ,ginger Tumeric tea I now have a bulging disc waiting to see a neurosurgeon for this.I'm a retired L.P.N.from Pa.and knowledge can hurt at times I,'ll bet you where furious at that dumb Dr.I would be.When I fractured my back I did get w.comp.so I could move to Ca to be near my son.I have nerve pain in my thighs almost constantly from the back ,Dr.told me Can you get in a pool? Aqua exercise is good for I have extensive arthritis also boy isn't it great to get old ?I'm 75 I've studied herbal and homeopathic meds that I use they help also .Best of luck to you as are all pain warriors ,not sissy.

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@lioness
If I knew where you live I would help you with those dishes. I wash them one at a time and dry then right away. I have a towel hanging on the wall next to the sink so all I have to do is reach to the right to grab the towel. I never fill up a sink with dish soap. I find it is best and keeps us healthier. Another thing I did to help me happened when I remodeled my kitchen. I find most sinks are set in place too low for my comfort so I had my sink and all countertops set in at 36". My lower back always hurt until I had this done. I do wish my folks had had this done when they remodeled that one kitchen when I was a teen.

Eileena

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@lioness

@jfisher54 My L2fracture was in private duty but I refused surgery so I do my best ,I've at times use ,Epsom salts bath take extra magnesium ,app!e cider vinegar is as good as Epsom salts in bath water.With my fibromyalgia I take Fibro Malic all this works for me After I started to heal Dr.started weaning me of narcs now I only take Tramadol 1,at h.s. +melatonin also I was telling bunnysammy about Arnica Gel and ☕ ,ginger Tumeric tea I now have a bulging disc waiting to see a neurosurgeon for this.I'm a retired L.P.N.from Pa.and knowledge can hurt at times I,'ll bet you where furious at that dumb Dr.I would be.When I fractured my back I did get w.comp.so I could move to Ca to be near my son.I have nerve pain in my thighs almost constantly from the back ,Dr.told me Can you get in a pool? Aqua exercise is good for I have extensive arthritis also boy isn't it great to get old ?I'm 75 I've studied herbal and homeopathic meds that I use they help also .Best of luck to you as are all pain warriors ,not sissy.

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@lioness I do water exercise about four times a week, alternating with gym exercises. It really is good, and can be fun too. I hope you have a place near you where you can do this.
JK

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