Chronic Pain after Stage 4 Breast Cancer Surgery, Chemo and Radiation

Posted by fiesty76 @fiesty76, Dec 19, 2019

Is this normal? Mine is underarm and continuous from lumpectomy. Surgeon says nothing can be done to relieve it and to get "used to it". Have others found some type of relief from the pain? Several months now since surgery and treatment. Suggestions much appreciated.

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@trixie1313

@fiesty76
By any chance, has anyone talked to you about possible lymphedema of the breast? I just went to the physical therapist today and learned how to try to work through that. Also, after my lumpectomy (first surgery), I had multiple hematomas in a honeycomb fashion which caused pain. If you have a breast care specialist, maybe check with that person or your surgeon. Oncologists don't always deal with this type of issue.

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Thank you, Trixie. Nothing but "you'll just have to learn to live with it" was given by the surgical oncologist. Hard to believe but true.

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@trixie1313

@fiesty76
As it was explained to me, nerves can be cut because of surgery which will cause pain. I wound up with partial mastectomy following first surgery of lumpectomy with chemo inbetween both and after the second surgery also had 30 radiation treatments. Radiation can cause fibrotic changes and hard ridges. I've also wound up with lymphedema of my breast. Unfortunately, there is a lot of pain involved because of all of this. I do take turmeric capsules as an anti-inflammatory and also rub calendula cream on my breasts and around armpit area. If you can meet with a physical therapist, that person can teach you stretching exercises for your chest area and arms which may help.

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Not sure I replied to your post, Trixie. Thank you for the suggestions and information,more than the oncologist gave. Think the next step is asking for a referral to a physical therapist from pcp. I appreciate all the help received from Mayo Connect.

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@fiesty76

Thank you, Trixie. Nothing but "you'll just have to learn to live with it" was given by the surgical oncologist. Hard to believe but true.

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@fiesty76
A word about surgeons in general -- I have found them to be like other specialists in that you can't ask them about anything but their specialty (a specific kind of surgery), and don't even hint that perhaps there was a problem with their work. That being said, in my area, everything seems to be targeted to specialties. For example, one can't go to a rheumatologist for (in my case) Trigger Thumb and hand arthritis. I was sent to a hand specialist/surgeon. Can't go to the rheumatologist for arthritis in my spine... was sent to a spine specialist/surgeon... and neither specialist chooses to talk about exercises which may be helpful: for those, you must be referred to a physical therapist. Vascular specialists may or may not have in-depth knowledge of lymphedema treatment. My dentist now just works on cavities... no extractions or gum health issues. For these, you go to a dental surgeon and to a periodontist (who also does the implant, if you have an extraction by the dental surgeon....). The oncologist simply suggests other specialists. Have nerve damage from the chemo? Go see a neurologist (who knows nothing about chemo damage). Have lung or heart issues from the targeted therapy? See a pulmonologist or cardiologist (who know nothing about targeted therapy). Having trouble with the hormone therapy? See an endocrinologist... etc.

And who is left to try to pull all this together into a comprehensive plan? One's poor PCP who isn't trained in the fine points of all these specialties and is trying his/her best to get us to equilibrium.

Considering the increased rates of cancer nationwide, every regional hospital needs specialists who are well-versed in oncology issues... and that's not happening. God help the patients with poor health insurance!

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Yes, Elizm, our 21st century has brought about a maze of medical specialists that makes an oldie like me yearn for those days when our doctor wasn't just our primary doc, he/she was our Only doc. who actually conducted hands on exams and picked up his phone to personally refer us to a specific specialist if needed.

OTOH, there is much more knowledge now and more available treatments that didn't exist before. The trick as a patient is learning how best to navigate the maze as we advocate for ourselves, continue learning and keep our teams informed of all that is happening with us.

After researching and reading wonderful patient forum responses to my orig. question, I condensed the shared info into a page to carry with me to my next doc. apptmn't. One side of pocket folder contains the "What about this?" possible treatments page; the other pocket the numerous pages of printed out material. Will have an annual with my PCP in January and hope this will get the attention of the pcp for additional help.

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@elizm

@fiesty76
A word about surgeons in general -- I have found them to be like other specialists in that you can't ask them about anything but their specialty (a specific kind of surgery), and don't even hint that perhaps there was a problem with their work. That being said, in my area, everything seems to be targeted to specialties. For example, one can't go to a rheumatologist for (in my case) Trigger Thumb and hand arthritis. I was sent to a hand specialist/surgeon. Can't go to the rheumatologist for arthritis in my spine... was sent to a spine specialist/surgeon... and neither specialist chooses to talk about exercises which may be helpful: for those, you must be referred to a physical therapist. Vascular specialists may or may not have in-depth knowledge of lymphedema treatment. My dentist now just works on cavities... no extractions or gum health issues. For these, you go to a dental surgeon and to a periodontist (who also does the implant, if you have an extraction by the dental surgeon....). The oncologist simply suggests other specialists. Have nerve damage from the chemo? Go see a neurologist (who knows nothing about chemo damage). Have lung or heart issues from the targeted therapy? See a pulmonologist or cardiologist (who know nothing about targeted therapy). Having trouble with the hormone therapy? See an endocrinologist... etc.

And who is left to try to pull all this together into a comprehensive plan? One's poor PCP who isn't trained in the fine points of all these specialties and is trying his/her best to get us to equilibrium.

Considering the increased rates of cancer nationwide, every regional hospital needs specialists who are well-versed in oncology issues... and that's not happening. God help the patients with poor health insurance!

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You might have luck with a pain management doc. I have one who regularly impressed me with the breadth of his knowledge.

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Thank you, nycoceans. Another great possible solution with the pain mgt doc!

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