CBD Daily Spray and blood thinners

Posted by Betty @hazelnut, Feb 21, 2019

A friend told me that CBD Daily has been a miracle topical pain reliever for her back and knees. I ordered the item and this particular CBD does not contain any THC so I was assuming that it is safe to use being on Xarelto ( blood thinner) and high pressure meds. I have steroid injections but wanted to try this after reading so many positive comments from the users. The spray can be purchased on Ebay and the cheapest place to buy was on Walmart. I called the pharmacist and she said that I could not use the spray because of the blood thinner. Ugh ! I am waiting for a call from the cardiologist and hoping for a different opinion and the okay to try it. Has anyone tried this item that is on blood thinners?

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@lynjolo. Can you share what brand you use? Is it an ointment?

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I use the ointment and drops I am in Canada so not sure if you can get the same brand as I use. Ointment is called Livrelief. Really helps my arthritis. I take one ml of CBD drops by Aurora before bed. Ratio is CBD 30.0mg to THC 1.5mg. My doctor gave me a prescription and I fill it through a drug store. Sleep well, helps with pain, and no side effects! Hope this helps and you find relief!

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@lynjolo

I am on blood thinners. My cardiologist was very supportive in using CBD! In fact highly recommended it! Been on it for over a year. No problems. And sure helps with arthritis!

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Hmmm…I haven't asked my cardiologist yet, will do, but if you Google it, there are quite a few places that say they should not be combined. Hope you are right. Thanks for responding.

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@bbeebe1943

Hmmm…I haven't asked my cardiologist yet, will do, but if you Google it, there are quite a few places that say they should not be combined. Hope you are right. Thanks for responding.

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I have been on Coumadin for 20 years because of an artificial aortic valve and really bad arrhythmias both atrial and ventricle. Pain caused arrhythmias so bad that either my defibrillator would shocked me or I had a electro cardio conversion done at a hospital. I started using CBD in late 2017 in the hopes that it would decrease the pain enough to stop it’s influence on my heart. I read that it would probably take weeks to really become effective enough to notice a difference. I put some CBD oil under my tongue and went to bed. I awoke in a panic because for the first time since I had open heart surgery in 2001 my heart was in a totally normal rhythm. Just google CBD and heart arrhythmias and read what the NIH has posted about it. I suggest that you google cbd and blood thinners because it can effect blood thinners, but there is a safe way to deal with that. Start out just using one drop of oil under your tongue on the first day and increase it by one drop each day until you are at the level of CBD that is effective. Yes CBD will effect your liver enzymes that break down a lot of different medications so don’t take them at the same time that you take your blood thinners. I take my CBD 6 hours after my morning meditations and it’s metabolized long before I take my warfarin at night. Read articles from reliable sources and refer to them when you talk to your Dr. Don’t expect your Dr to know, and he can’t approve using it until the FDA says that it’s ok. The other very important thing is to make sure that you are using a trusted source for your CBD. I buy mine from a company called “Populum “. They provide a third party lab test that was done on your CBD. As for the pain that was driving my heart crazy is now just treated with Tylenol instead of the extremely large doses of morphine that the VA had put me on. I’m 65 years old and for the first time in a very long time my quality of life isn’t being destroyed by pain and an unstable heart. Good luck to you, and please do your own research. My electrophysiologist is now a believer of the effects that CBD had on my arrhythmias. It only makes sense that if it’s effective in treating seizures that it could have the same effect on arrhythmias. It’s just an electrical storm in the heart and not the head. The lack of all the side effects of all those other drugs is another gift.

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@dvdhoover

I have been on Coumadin for 20 years because of an artificial aortic valve and really bad arrhythmias both atrial and ventricle. Pain caused arrhythmias so bad that either my defibrillator would shocked me or I had a electro cardio conversion done at a hospital. I started using CBD in late 2017 in the hopes that it would decrease the pain enough to stop it’s influence on my heart. I read that it would probably take weeks to really become effective enough to notice a difference. I put some CBD oil under my tongue and went to bed. I awoke in a panic because for the first time since I had open heart surgery in 2001 my heart was in a totally normal rhythm. Just google CBD and heart arrhythmias and read what the NIH has posted about it. I suggest that you google cbd and blood thinners because it can effect blood thinners, but there is a safe way to deal with that. Start out just using one drop of oil under your tongue on the first day and increase it by one drop each day until you are at the level of CBD that is effective. Yes CBD will effect your liver enzymes that break down a lot of different medications so don’t take them at the same time that you take your blood thinners. I take my CBD 6 hours after my morning meditations and it’s metabolized long before I take my warfarin at night. Read articles from reliable sources and refer to them when you talk to your Dr. Don’t expect your Dr to know, and he can’t approve using it until the FDA says that it’s ok. The other very important thing is to make sure that you are using a trusted source for your CBD. I buy mine from a company called “Populum “. They provide a third party lab test that was done on your CBD. As for the pain that was driving my heart crazy is now just treated with Tylenol instead of the extremely large doses of morphine that the VA had put me on. I’m 65 years old and for the first time in a very long time my quality of life isn’t being destroyed by pain and an unstable heart. Good luck to you, and please do your own research. My electrophysiologist is now a believer of the effects that CBD had on my arrhythmias. It only makes sense that if it’s effective in treating seizures that it could have the same effect on arrhythmias. It’s just an electrical storm in the heart and not the head. The lack of all the side effects of all those other drugs is another gift.

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Hello, dvdhoover. Good info in your message. Thank you. I'm thrilled with the improvements in my body and my life since I've been using medical marij. for the last 6+ months. I have found the 1:1, THC:CBD is good for my needs…..anxiety is gone, muscles relax, no cramping, back/neck/shoulder/feet/hips, etc. pain is lessened, sometimes gone for most of the night. If I've had a more than normal active day….'active' is certainly relative these days!…I will use a tiny spray or 2 of THC. Rarely do I need to use Voltarin cream or any other pain helper. I do take an EX Tylenol and melatonin. What a difference in my nights. I sleep, well, comfortably, in almost no pain. I often wake up with a smile from inside, it's such a treat to have the time away from the pain and anxiety of the years. Your experience with CBD and your a-fib is really interesting. Congratulations! What a shock that must have been, to feel well or 'normal'. Bless you. I think that's part of what I'm feeling now, a touch of normal again. What a treat!

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@hazelnut

Afternoon Justin. The pharmacist said that although it is topical it is likely some of the spray will get into the blood stream and could increase the effect of the blood thinner. I called the cardiologist yesterday for test results from Tuesday and also about using the CBD spray. No response yet. I have a surgeon that said I could stop taking blood thinners……then the one cardiologist said , NO ! I have to stay on blood thinners the rest of my life…..then the A-fib cardiologist specialist said that maybe in a year I can stop the Xarelto . Three doctors, three different opinions. Same confusing opinions regarding hip surgery. The one cardiologist said go enjoy life and get that hip fixed. The orthopedic surgeon said I was not a good candidate for surgery. One doctor said I had Lupus, another doctor said it's rosacea. I see an rheumatologist this Thursday to see what she has to say. I am so disgusted with the difference of opinions .These Golden Years are not what I expected. Next month I am going to a seminar regarding stem cell for the hip, that should be interesting .

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I asked my cardiologist about CBD oil and his response was that it was okay to use it even tho I'm on Xarelto…however, I'm not sure I trust this answer and I will ask a pharmacist. It does not agree with much I have been reading thru Googling the question. (This has happened before where I asked him a question about a hair loss side effect of a med and he had never heard of the side effect but there were many such complaints on the Internet.) I also asked him about Watchman, an implant that enables one to stop taking blood thinners, and he said it was okay, but I would need to consult with another doctor because it's not a procedure that he does. When I asked my primary care doctor about Watchman, she had never heard of it. Anyone know about it? Thanks.

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I, too, lost hair after I went on a bta blocker for B/P. My doctor didn't believe me but the NP changed it. I think I am still losing hair. I would be interested in where you found some of your info or anything you might want to share. Thank you so much.

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@bbeebe1943

I asked my cardiologist about CBD oil and his response was that it was okay to use it even tho I'm on Xarelto…however, I'm not sure I trust this answer and I will ask a pharmacist. It does not agree with much I have been reading thru Googling the question. (This has happened before where I asked him a question about a hair loss side effect of a med and he had never heard of the side effect but there were many such complaints on the Internet.) I also asked him about Watchman, an implant that enables one to stop taking blood thinners, and he said it was okay, but I would need to consult with another doctor because it's not a procedure that he does. When I asked my primary care doctor about Watchman, she had never heard of it. Anyone know about it? Thanks.

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@migizii. I’m not quite sure who I’m answering, but I have a little knowledge about the Watchman. My father-in-law recently had the procedure done and was able to go home the same day (he is 88yr) with multiple health issues. He has had many falls in the past year, so the decision was made that he had to stop taking blood thinners due to the dizziness and lack of balance he was experiencing. I did a bit of research and had some major concerns about the procedure being done in someone his age, but his gerontologist and heart surgeon, both stated he was a good candidate and he made the decision to proceed. I had read the procedure was generally successful for people in their 70’s and younger. My relative lives in the Chicago area where there are many good resources. I hope this helps a little.

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@migizii

@migizii. I’m not quite sure who I’m answering, but I have a little knowledge about the Watchman. My father-in-law recently had the procedure done and was able to go home the same day (he is 88yr) with multiple health issues. He has had many falls in the past year, so the decision was made that he had to stop taking blood thinners due to the dizziness and lack of balance he was experiencing. I did a bit of research and had some major concerns about the procedure being done in someone his age, but his gerontologist and heart surgeon, both stated he was a good candidate and he made the decision to proceed. I had read the procedure was generally successful for people in their 70’s and younger. My relative lives in the Chicago area where there are many good resources. I hope this helps a little.

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Thank you very much for responding and for the information about Watchman. That's very helpful. Will share it with my PCP and certainly take it into consideration. – Bonnie

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@bbeebe1943

I asked my cardiologist about CBD oil and his response was that it was okay to use it even tho I'm on Xarelto…however, I'm not sure I trust this answer and I will ask a pharmacist. It does not agree with much I have been reading thru Googling the question. (This has happened before where I asked him a question about a hair loss side effect of a med and he had never heard of the side effect but there were many such complaints on the Internet.) I also asked him about Watchman, an implant that enables one to stop taking blood thinners, and he said it was okay, but I would need to consult with another doctor because it's not a procedure that he does. When I asked my primary care doctor about Watchman, she had never heard of it. Anyone know about it? Thanks.

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@bbeebe1943 It is important that you feel confident that your provider is giving you the correct information. It sounds like you have a trust pharmacist. Did I get that right?

Below I have linked a previous discussion related to Watchman. Feel free to scroll through the previous posts. I hope you will find answers to your question.
– Watchman Implant for A-Fib https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/watchman-implant-for-a-fib/

Members like @1943 @tresjur @ronva2co @ronva2co @starfirey2k @afrobin have discussed this topic previously.

I'm wondering what your provider said regarding the pros and cons of the Watchman for your particular situation?

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@hazelnut

Hello ….are those shots you get covered by insurance? I was using turmeric but had to stop using it because of the Xarelto. Also, had to stop drinking cranberry juice or taking any cranberry pills. I won't have any more steroid shots since the last one effected my right foot where the left side is numb all the time. Although it's my hip the pain is in my knee and down my leg and also the groin. That's probably the fibromyalgia though. The constant backache is from my meds. These Golden Years are not the happiest ! 🙁 Thank you for your response and hoping you have less pain and happy days.

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Try Frankincense. It takes a while to get in your system but it does relieve the pain a little.

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I know they tested a bunch of CBD products that were supposed to be THC-free, but some contained it. If it’s not a medical product it is not regulated.

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@bbeebe1943

I asked my cardiologist about CBD oil and his response was that it was okay to use it even tho I'm on Xarelto…however, I'm not sure I trust this answer and I will ask a pharmacist. It does not agree with much I have been reading thru Googling the question. (This has happened before where I asked him a question about a hair loss side effect of a med and he had never heard of the side effect but there were many such complaints on the Internet.) I also asked him about Watchman, an implant that enables one to stop taking blood thinners, and he said it was okay, but I would need to consult with another doctor because it's not a procedure that he does. When I asked my primary care doctor about Watchman, she had never heard of it. Anyone know about it? Thanks.

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Regarding the CBD and blood thinners, I suggest you contact a marijuana medical dispensary and speak with a pharmacist on duty. They’ll be more knowledgeable than a regular pharmacists on this specific topic.

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