Does bladder cancer treatment continue ad infinitum?

Posted by Bobbie @deidre77, Mar 8 1:33pm

Although I note the occasional member who has remained NED (no evidence of disease) after various treatments (perhaps there are many more successful members who no longer post here) I am wondering how long these treatments should continue before there is a halt and radical removal appears to be the only option?

I recall one member who has been experiencing the bladder cancer merry-go-round for several years and my being 80 years of age, I think my patience would wear extremely thin. I will next week undergo my 5th BCG instillation and I so want to be hopeful that at the conclusion of the following 3 additional maintenance treatments spread across many months - that it will suffice to render me NED as well. However, following my first TURBT, three months later 5 tumors had appeared. They were subsequently burned off.

It appears this cancer is tenaciously loyal. I am just wondering what will be around the corner?

Wishing all members who read this success and a drizzling of hope and joy each day.

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Well... this coming Thursday I go for my second cystoscopy following the completion of the 6 BCG treatments. Soon after I had my first scope which showed a lot of inflammation along with another spot of inflammation. He wanted to wait about 6 weeks and then perform another scope to see if the inflammation abated and also to learn if that questionable spot reflected something other.

I should have told him I wanted to go to another hospital for the BL since he only uses standard white light but I have far too much on my plate to do that.
Tomorrow I am having cataract surgery and also I will probably have to undergo knee surgery so I am overwhelmed.

If this cystoscopy shows the growth of new tumors - not only will I be extremely upset (to put it mildly) but I will also not continue with the BCG treatments. These have created far too much havoc; severe pain in joints - hip and leg (I could barely stand up straight the pain was so intense) in addition to increased incontinence which my doctor told me would subside in time (not true). When I complained of my severe pain in my right side, he sent me for sonogram of my kidneys- wanting to check if something was amiss. No problem there.

He did a urine cytology and it came back negative.

I don't know what will be next if tumors will be found. If he offers only BCG, then I will have no other choice but to travel into Manhattan to a cancer hospital and seek their guidance.

Bladder cancer is a journey for sure. I hope I possess the inner strength the members in this group have.

Wishing all hope and ultimately success to beat this opponent.

Bobbie

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Hi, I found that Gem/Doc worked for me when BCG didn’t.
I have been cancer free now for over a year.
I have the blue light cystoscopies & found that sometimes incontinence was actually from a UTI.
I am also in my 80s.
Wishing you all the best.

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Statististics: here you go: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3999003.

For PT0/1/A I highly recommend utilizing TURBT tissue for Signatera and Altera and equivalents if possible. It depends on the TURBT(s) tissue volume.

This can ascertain whether it remains localized or has gone systemic. Furthermore, the longer you wait with RC, the higher the odds over time of systemic spread regardless. Due to LVI infiltration risk. Once in LVI all bets are off sadly.

When it turned out the bad stuff was in my diverticulum I dropped everything and went to Cleveland Clinic, Baptist South, University of Miami: all local or more research, reviewing slides. So I moved on. I had a private hospital in Dusseldorf Germany ready to cut it all out. Fortunately, Baptist MD Anderson agreed with immediate RC. Sadly, I would have to wait 6 weeks. So they sent me to Mayo. Mayo cut it all out the next week (after my first appointment). I was upstaged. Had I waited 6 weeks I would most likely not be here today. So Mayo (so far) saved my life! I tried Shands at University of Florida but they told me they had 2 RC surgeons left and it would be months.

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I wonder why BL cystoscopy is not being used as standard care? They do not use it at CCF and I asked my surgeon to inquire. I had a follow up cystoscopy on 4/29 that revealed inflammation at the previous carcinoma site, that’s it no other inflammation. I was immediately scheduled for a biopsy resection on 5/18. The 5/18 resection biopsy was all clear thank G-D, the stars and the moon , however my bladder was inflamed. Surgeon did a full bladder scape in addition to the biopsy. I inquired about waiting another month or so after the 4/29 cystoscopy and surgeon said absolutely not “ you have high grade any inflammation must be addressed immediately “. Btw my pre surgery testing was all clear - urine great etc. I feel like I had a potentially unnecessary surgery .
I am thinking a BL cystoscopy would have avoided the surgery. Good luck and thanks for sharing your journey.

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The reason is a) difficulty getting insurance to pay for it, b) paying for the equipment and material to support CysView, c) not many general hospitals employee urology oncologist who can properly do the procedure and interpret it.

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It is a long 36 month schedule for treatment and maintenance. I think you have to stick with it as they recommend as long as periodic scoping indicates it is working. Introduction, 6 weekly infiltration ("I"), wait 1 month, then Cystoscopy ("Scope"). 6-8 weeks wait, then 3 weekly I, then 9-12 wks wait, then scope, wait another 0-3 weeks, then another 3 weekly I, then 3 months off. Next, the between treatment time increases to 21-24 weeks between 3 weekly treatment groupings. Ask your doctor for your specific schedule. Again, it is a long trip but, as long as it continues to work (scope shows no cancer, or negative biopsy's to any suspect spots), it beats the alternative of bladder removal.

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