BCG treatment done, but cystoscopy found new tumor: What next?

Posted by stanghbogdan1 @stanghbogdan1, Nov 1 3:30pm

Hello all! After the first 6-week session of BCG treatment, I had a cystoscopy, and new tumors were found. I now have to undergo another surgery to remove and test those tumors, after which a new treatment plan will be decided. I’m very scared. I’m 37 years old. I have a 4-year-old daughter. Do you think I’ll live to see her turn 14? What do you think?

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@gskelly, did you have your first BCG treatment? How are you doing?

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@colleenyoung I had the first set of BCG treatments once a week for 6 weeks, a month off followed by a cysco, then once a week for 3 weeks. Now I am set for the last cysco and the once a month BCG for a year. Doing great concentrating on looking both ways before I cross the street.

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Similarly, I was refractory after 6 BCG treatments (i.e. CIS tumor returned) for NMIBC. We went to Vanderbilt for another TURBT and blue-light cystoscopy. My VUMC urologist (contact me for info) prescribed Adstiladrin in lieu of cystectomy. After 4 quarterly instillations, cystoscopies indicate bladder is clear of cancer. Just completed fifth treatment (maintenance) with only minor side effects as I continue the healing journey. Have faith and consider/pray about innovative treatment options (Anktiva, Adstiladrin, Gem/Dox, etc). Blessings!

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Please don't panic! I had 6 weeks then 3 then 3 more of BCG treatments with tumors found and removed in another surgery and 2x in the office. Today I had my 1 year cystoscopy after 3 and 6 month cystoscopies following my last BCG treatment, each with no tumors found!! I am praising God! I stopped consuming artificial sweetness, changed to plant based supplements, and have tried to cook using more organic ingredients. I haven't smoked in 40 years and have a glass of wine or a cocktail maybe 1 or 2x a month ( sometimes none at all). I used to use roundup when doing yardwork, but no more. I also drink a lot of water. I am trying to control the things I can and leave the rest to God. Meditation and mindfulness activities have helped me let my worries go the best I can. It's hard when everytime I urinate I think about it. The bottom line is that despite multiple surgeries/removals and BCG treatments, I am at present cancer free! It can happen for you, too! We are all different, but there is definitely hope for you! Believe!

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Hello @stanghbogdan1. It is not unusual for recurrence, or for BCG failure. My husband experienced this same situation after surgery and chemotherapy. Bladder tumors like to keep coming back as the cancer cells are floating around in there just waiting to attach to the bladder wall. It has to be terribly scary at your age with a young family. Cancer really does take hold and change your life but you can still be a survivor. My husband had multiple TURBTS (the surgeries via cystoscope as they are called) to remove suspicious or cancerous area of his bladder. His urologist suggested Keytruda but he had recurrences on that. Adstiladren was not approved quite yet so he did not get to try that. He chose to have his bladder removed- a radical cystectomy, and a neobladder to replace it. This was about 2 1/2 years after his initial diagnosis. He just didn't like having cystoscopies over and over and removing tumors as they showed up. His tumor was highly aggressive from the start. He is free of cancer now and having recheck cystoscopies and CT scans yearly. Other people I have known have lived long lives with a less aggressive tumor having recurrences removed as they happen. Every year new therapies emerge from testing or are in clinical trials so you just keep kicking the can down the road doing what you have to until one of the treatments does the trick. Adstiladren seems to be helping many people. We are only patients sharing our experiences and knowledge acquired through this cancer trip. Your medical team is the one for answers as they have all your information. It is always wise to consider a second opinion especially at a large cancer center or teaching hospital where newer modes of treatment are happening. Do you have such a facility nearby? We travel 10 hours by car to Mayo Clinic Rochester MN from Ohio for our cancer care. It has been worth it.

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My husband is in similar situation. Three years ago we started at Mayo in Rochester because we weren’t getting a diagnosis here. In hindsight, the blood in his urine was the moment to run to a good institution lije Mayo. We found a facility near us to administer BCG. After two rounds it failed. That facility could not do the gem/doc that Mayo advised, so we found that a Urologist at KU med center would, so we switched. The gem/ doc seems to have worked for high grade tumors, but at three years( 5 TURBTs), with a removal of low grade tumors, Dr is not continuing treatment- monitoring only. He’s having a cysto 12/23 and hopefully he’s clear. My husband is tired of treatment so the monitoring only has been wonderful. Hopefully Thats will continue. TURBTs are pretty disruptive and require healing time and difficulty with bladder control, right?
It seems like both at MAYO and KU, the first thing they recommend is totally removal, but they listen and understand it’s not what we want. Not yet.

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There is some risk in not treating, especially with a prior history of high grade malignancy. They may recur. And once they do they can rapidly grow and potentially result in PT2 or worse, N+ and even LVI. Having to do a RC or undergo severe treatments like systemic chemo or ICI is far more inconvenient than TURBTs.

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@sepdvm
My husband is in similar situation. Three years ago we started at Mayo in Rochester because we weren’t getting a diagnosis here. In hindsight, the blood in his urine was the moment to run to a good institution lije Mayo. We found a facility near us to administer BCG. After two rounds it failed. That facility could not do the gem/doc that Mayo advised, so we found that a Urologist at KU med center would, so we switched. The gem/ doc seems to have worked for high grade tumors, but at three years( 5 TURBTs), with a removal of low grade tumors, Dr is not continuing treatment- monitoring only. He’s having a cysto 12/23 and hopefully he’s clear. My husband is tired of treatment so the monitoring only has been wonderful. Hopefully Thats will continue. TURBTs are pretty disruptive and require healing time and difficulty with bladder control, right?
It seems like both at MAYO and KU, the first thing they recommend is totally removal, but they listen and understand it’s not what we want. Not yet.

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@ljashton interesting, I went directly to KU Med after St Lukes South found the tumor. If all goes well I think their plan after the 12 months at once a month is to just monitor. I will ask about the gem/ doc. on my visit for cysto on 12/10.

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