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Autoimune Diseases and Nutrition

Posted by @chefbrown, Sep 19, 2016

I was a Chef for over 25 years and studied nutrition in culinary college. In the years since being diagnosed with MS I have studied more about the body and what it needs. I have learned there are 90 Essential Nutrients needed and few people get even half of them. I wanted to share a couple of places for those who are interested. I am not saying spend to buy but simply take a look to get you started learning. This book is full of info, Epigenetics: The Death of the Genetic Theory of Disease Transmission by Dr. Joel “Doc” Wallach with Dr. Ma Lan and Dr. Gerhard N. Schrauzer. The “Doc” also has a site http://www.mighty-90.com/the-90-essential-nutrients/ . The site sells products but also has a lot to learn and think about to get started. I hope someone can get something useful from this. Good luck everyone!

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Thanks Chef but the “deficiency” theory of everything is without any credence. If only things were that simple. And, since this site “sells products” I have to include a cui bono qualifier. Many people here are desperate for relief and are consequently more suggestible that the average audience. Please provide some hard data and specifics rather than a blanket recommendation. Thanks.

I apologize for taking so long to get back on this subject. I am att. a doc for you to read. the things I was talking about have been known since the 30’s. Please read the doc. I apologize but I do not speak about things that have not been proven at least to the satisfaction of medical people. I am not advocating purchasing, rather I say look and take what you may use. There are many companies that want you to buy there products. I only thought that people could start there learning by checking these things out. As I said I am not an advocate for any products.

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I apologize for taking so long to get back on this subject. I am att. a doc for you to read. the things I was talking about have been known since the 30’s. Please read the doc. I apologize but I do not speak about things that have not been proven at least to the satisfaction of medical people. I am not advocating purchasing, rather I say look and take what you may use. There are many companies that want you to buy there products. I only thought that people could start there learning by checking these things out. As I said I am not an advocate for any products.

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No problem. I am a hardened skeptic and it will take a lot to waiver my opinion. It was shaped by going through a protracted “nutritional therapy” phase during which I got prostate cancer at a relatively early age. Over time I came to understand that some touted nutraceuticals, anti-oxidants, can be pro-cancerous by inhibiting reactive oxidative species needed to kill tumor cells. Any radiation oncologist worth his salt will tell you to avoid them all, especially during therapy. Are our farming methods lacking and soil played out on many places, probably. But, your paper says something about “By insisting that our doctors and our health departments establish scientific standards of nutritional value.” and that kind kind of data is well known. Whether it is enforced I have no idea but I assume that major AG departments do something with their time. Worst case, take a multi since RDAs are well established. 2 of the go-to people/organizations I consult when I have nutrition related questions are Walter Willet at Harvard, https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/walter-willett/ and the Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State. They seem to have it covered.
But, your notion that farming and soil optimization is a standard that should be adhered to as part of public health best practices.
I am in no way trying to trivialize your beliefs or opinions but judging that any casual outing tells me that most people are overfed, I’d say that finding out how to get and keep them at normal weight might do more to stem some ongoing epidemics than focusing on whether their nuts contain enough selenium.
Nor was I insinuating that you were a huckster, I was just giving the usual boilerplate when I see web sites or books pushed as having real answers when they quite possibly have not been vetted.
I do take a few CAMS and will continue to do so but I keep it down to a roar since assuming anything is harmless is probably a bad idea.
Sorry to hear of your MS and the suffering it has caused you. If you think that you are onto something, by all means share it, but please qualify the level of proof that is associated with it. Purely anecdotal isn’t necessarily bad, if it were we’d have to toss all of Ayurvedic medicine for example, but knowing it does assist in the decision process.
Thanks.

An excellent resource book for dietary intake for health needs: The World’s Healthiest Foods, Essential Guide for the Healthiest Way Of Eating. By: George Mateljan.
It has helped me better understand the links between certain nutrients (in abundance and in abcence) links to body health, diseases, and metabolic disorders.
Also, a patient client brought a youtube link to me that I found to be a helpful conversation and instructional start point for talking about MS and autoimmune related nutrition. You tube search “Minding Your Mitochondria” by Dr. Terry Wahls. Watch her presentations. Then you should have a good idea of what kinds of medical journal articles to look for on the subject.

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