Atrial fibrillation

Posted by normanchester @normanchester, Dec 1, 2025

Has anybody ever had the t e e procedure to see if there was a blood clot in your heart? Has anybody ever had cardioversion, my doctor once told me not to be put to sleep getting my teeth pulled, but now, wants me to have this procedures that require being put to sleep, it worries me, can you comfort me? Thank you

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Just home from my PFA under GA. Experienced no pain whatsoever. Following mapping of my heart, ablation in all four chambers to put my Afib asleep. EP and team were well versed in the PFA procedure and I know they were to right choice for this procedure. Thankful for my wonderful team and all care received since last February when this journey began. EP said my heart is strong with no damage or leaky valves. He is hopeful for success as we move forward with recovery period. Up moving and walking the hallway after 4 hour recovery period laying flat. I have had a bit of emotional episodes crying however as a woman, that is a great release. God is great and not finished with me yet. Find the best EP you can, even if you have to travel and educate yourself. It will give you power.

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@basgal I understand. I'm a female Afib patient and while I haven't cried yet, I have felt like it. Especially back in August for my first one, then October for some touchup and the Watchman. Just returned home last night from a quick return trip for my first TEE to check on the Watchman. All was well. Yesterday was the first visit I felt calm & relaxed. First two trips I was so stressed . . . nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs as my old Great Uncle Sam use to say (I loved his old sayings as a kid growing up LOL). YES Travel is 100% worth it. Yesterdays trip, we were barely there 24 hours and overnight at hotel, Uber & Lyft are great, and even though this trip wasn't non-stop flights it beats the heck out of driving like we did that first trip in August where it was very close to 2,000 miles there and back. I chose to do that because I hadn't flown since Afib diagnosis and last flights were international in Fall of 2022 right before diagnosis. Unfortunately I do have a leaky valve so will have to start that journey but they said it wasn't urgent but that it could have led to my Afib. Best wishes for your Blanking Period~!!!!

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@earther
We don’t always have a choice regarding surgery. My 4 hour surgery was due to cancer. My afib has been progressing for 5 years being in afib 30% of the time in recent months. I’m very symptomatic so those are lost days with exhaustion and very low BP causing me to be weak and faint. I don’t want to waste 30% of my life or have a stroke. I finally started Eliquis after that last TIA. I’ve had a lot of bad side effects to meds so I say no if at all optional. The 1st EP told me my case would take 2-3 ablations and no guarantee. He handles complex cases. I’m hoping for a better prediction with the second complex case EP I’m hoping will take my case. I recently stopped taking a cancer med that started the afib so I’m hoping the number of episodes will decrease without that x factor. We’ll see. I just had a 42 hour episode so I know it won’t stop completely.

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@californiazebra

Wow! That is all such a rough, scary, and miserable time that many of us might not handle as well as you are.

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@basgal I understand. I'm a female Afib patient and while I haven't cried yet, I have felt like it. Especially back in August for my first one, then October for some touchup and the Watchman. Just returned home last night from a quick return trip for my first TEE to check on the Watchman. All was well. Yesterday was the first visit I felt calm & relaxed. First two trips I was so stressed . . . nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs as my old Great Uncle Sam use to say (I loved his old sayings as a kid growing up LOL). YES Travel is 100% worth it. Yesterdays trip, we were barely there 24 hours and overnight at hotel, Uber & Lyft are great, and even though this trip wasn't non-stop flights it beats the heck out of driving like we did that first trip in August where it was very close to 2,000 miles there and back. I chose to do that because I hadn't flown since Afib diagnosis and last flights were international in Fall of 2022 right before diagnosis. Unfortunately I do have a leaky valve so will have to start that journey but they said it wasn't urgent but that it could have led to my Afib. Best wishes for your Blanking Period~!!!!

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@qwackertoo Good Luck on your Afib journey. Its a real trip for sure. I would have loved your Great Uncle Sam by the way! I am a fighter and don't let much get me down. Negative thoughts are such a downer. Sending a big Hearthug your way! Merry Christmas 🤶 🎄 ❤️

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I am currently 75 male. I had AFIB for years (1998) and had a major stroke in 2022 (bleeding) I believer the stroke was caused by taking naproxen with Eliquis after knee surgery. Never take any NSAIDs medication with Eliquis or Pradaxa. I had the chemical Cardioversion one time which was not successful. I refused to do the ablation (Cauterization) which will burn the heart tissue. The cardiologist suggested to install a Watchman and I did. Having leakage after Watchman was installed. Another procedure to plug the leakage. Fast forward to this last June, I was hospitalized for pneumonia. After I was release from the hospital, my AFIB appeared to be gone. No more AFIB detected for at least 6 months now. My reasoning for not doing cauterization is because it is irreversible, i.e. once the heart tissue is burnt or killed, it will never grow back. I was told I still have to take blood thinning medication after cauterization. And if the tissue is not completely dead, there may be a slim chance of the heart will repair itself however small a chance it may be. Please understand I am not suggesting you should do the same. If you keep taking the blood thinning medication Eliquis or Pradaxa and avoid major trauma to your head, you should be fine. The cardiologist told me too much coffee could cause AFIB. I did change my habit of drinking much less coffee and more exercise consistently. I am now a true believer of having good diet and consistent exercise will help. Good luck and stay healthy.

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@andrewc999 you are spot on with use of NSAIDS. And, coffee. I love coffee but it puts my Bp through the roof. So, no Coffee with Bailey Irish Cream for Christmas morn. I feel so good just 3 days from PFA. Like the old me. Walked in the brisk morning air here in Western TN. Life is good. I will remain on Eliquis for life. Hope and pray to get off everything else. Time will tell. Watchman would be my next option. Good Luck to you Andrew. You are doing all the right things.

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I am currently 75 male. I had AFIB for years (1998) and had a major stroke in 2022 (bleeding) I believer the stroke was caused by taking naproxen with Eliquis after knee surgery. Never take any NSAIDs medication with Eliquis or Pradaxa. I had the chemical Cardioversion one time which was not successful. I refused to do the ablation (Cauterization) which will burn the heart tissue. The cardiologist suggested to install a Watchman and I did. Having leakage after Watchman was installed. Another procedure to plug the leakage. Fast forward to this last June, I was hospitalized for pneumonia. After I was release from the hospital, my AFIB appeared to be gone. No more AFIB detected for at least 6 months now. My reasoning for not doing cauterization is because it is irreversible, i.e. once the heart tissue is burnt or killed, it will never grow back. I was told I still have to take blood thinning medication after cauterization. And if the tissue is not completely dead, there may be a slim chance of the heart will repair itself however small a chance it may be. Please understand I am not suggesting you should do the same. If you keep taking the blood thinning medication Eliquis or Pradaxa and avoid major trauma to your head, you should be fine. The cardiologist told me too much coffee could cause AFIB. I did change my habit of drinking much less coffee and more exercise consistently. I am now a true believer of having good diet and consistent exercise will help. Good luck and stay healthy.

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@andrewc999

re: you comment that "My reasoning for not doing cauterization is because it is irreversible, i.e. once the heart tissue is burnt or killed, it will never grow back."

This is from email from the company that makes (and aggressively markets) the Watchman:

The WATCHMAN FLX and WATCHMAN FLX Pro Devices are permanent implants designed to close the left atrial appendage in the heart in an effort to reduce the risk of stroke.

With all medical procedures there are risks associated with the implant procedure and the use of the device. The risks include, but are not limited to, accidental puncture of the heart causing fluid to collect around the heart possibly leading towards the need for an additional procedure, allergic reaction, anesthesia risks, altered mental status or confusion after procedure, arrhythmias (irregular heartbeats), bleeding or throat pain from the TEE (Trans Esophageal Echo) probe, chest pain/discomfort, congestive heart failure, renal failure, excessive bleeding, gastrointestinal bleeding, groin puncture bleed, bruising at the catheter insertion site, groin pain, anemia (reduced red blood cells requiring transfusion), hypotension, infection/pneumonia (example: in or around your heart or lungs), misplacement of the device, improper seal of the appendage or movement of device from appendage wall, clot formation on the device, blood clot or air bubbles in the lungs or other organs, stroke, transient ischemic attack (temporary stroke-like symptoms), cranial bleed (bleeding in or around your brain), thrombosis (blockage of a blood vessel or vein by a clot) and in rare cases death can occur.

Be sure to talk with your doctor so that you thoroughly understand all of the risks and benefits associated with the implantation of the device. SH-2109508-AA

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@andrewc999

re: you comment that "My reasoning for not doing cauterization is because it is irreversible, i.e. once the heart tissue is burnt or killed, it will never grow back."

This is from email from the company that makes (and aggressively markets) the Watchman:

The WATCHMAN FLX and WATCHMAN FLX Pro Devices are permanent implants designed to close the left atrial appendage in the heart in an effort to reduce the risk of stroke.

With all medical procedures there are risks associated with the implant procedure and the use of the device. The risks include, but are not limited to, accidental puncture of the heart causing fluid to collect around the heart possibly leading towards the need for an additional procedure, allergic reaction, anesthesia risks, altered mental status or confusion after procedure, arrhythmias (irregular heartbeats), bleeding or throat pain from the TEE (Trans Esophageal Echo) probe, chest pain/discomfort, congestive heart failure, renal failure, excessive bleeding, gastrointestinal bleeding, groin puncture bleed, bruising at the catheter insertion site, groin pain, anemia (reduced red blood cells requiring transfusion), hypotension, infection/pneumonia (example: in or around your heart or lungs), misplacement of the device, improper seal of the appendage or movement of device from appendage wall, clot formation on the device, blood clot or air bubbles in the lungs or other organs, stroke, transient ischemic attack (temporary stroke-like symptoms), cranial bleed (bleeding in or around your brain), thrombosis (blockage of a blood vessel or vein by a clot) and in rare cases death can occur.

Be sure to talk with your doctor so that you thoroughly understand all of the risks and benefits associated with the implantation of the device. SH-2109508-AA

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@earther : I understood the risks associated with any procedure to the heart and the possible percentage of success rate. As I indicated I had it performed twice, once to deploy the watchman, another to install a device to seal the leakage by another surgeon. I guess I was pretty lucky that other than the normal effect of the surgeries, it appeared that I did not experience any other side effect. No issue during the surgeries. So now I am only taking baby aspirin (81mg) daily with no more blood thinner like Eliquis. I had an aneurysm in my brain caused by my first bleeding stroke which was also "fixed" with put coil in there. It was explained to me that most of the blood clots in AFIP individuals are caused in the appendage of the heart. I admit I was quite scare or anxious prior to the Watchman procedure in considering the pros and cons. I decided it was worth the risk for me and my wife (a retired RN) and I consider the side effect and danger of keep taking Eliquis. I appreciate you stating all the danger and side effect of the Watchman procedure. Your cardiologist may not recommend such procedure due to you condition. My procedures were completed in 2023. This is surely a very personal decision even if your cardiologist recommends it, one is good and successful is not necessarily good for the others.

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I am currently 75 male. I had AFIB for years (1998) and had a major stroke in 2022 (bleeding) I believer the stroke was caused by taking naproxen with Eliquis after knee surgery. Never take any NSAIDs medication with Eliquis or Pradaxa. I had the chemical Cardioversion one time which was not successful. I refused to do the ablation (Cauterization) which will burn the heart tissue. The cardiologist suggested to install a Watchman and I did. Having leakage after Watchman was installed. Another procedure to plug the leakage. Fast forward to this last June, I was hospitalized for pneumonia. After I was release from the hospital, my AFIB appeared to be gone. No more AFIB detected for at least 6 months now. My reasoning for not doing cauterization is because it is irreversible, i.e. once the heart tissue is burnt or killed, it will never grow back. I was told I still have to take blood thinning medication after cauterization. And if the tissue is not completely dead, there may be a slim chance of the heart will repair itself however small a chance it may be. Please understand I am not suggesting you should do the same. If you keep taking the blood thinning medication Eliquis or Pradaxa and avoid major trauma to your head, you should be fine. The cardiologist told me too much coffee could cause AFIB. I did change my habit of drinking much less coffee and more exercise consistently. I am now a true believer of having good diet and consistent exercise will help. Good luck and stay healthy.

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@andrewc999 two large studies have shown no correlation with caffeine and afib. There is so many things you can associate with causing afib, most are just a chance association. I have been in and out of afib for nearly a year. Twice I went into normal sinus rhythm for days, after high caffeine consumption. Does that mean caffeine knocked me out of afib? Probably not!

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Profile picture for andrewc999 @andrewc999

I am currently 75 male. I had AFIB for years (1998) and had a major stroke in 2022 (bleeding) I believer the stroke was caused by taking naproxen with Eliquis after knee surgery. Never take any NSAIDs medication with Eliquis or Pradaxa. I had the chemical Cardioversion one time which was not successful. I refused to do the ablation (Cauterization) which will burn the heart tissue. The cardiologist suggested to install a Watchman and I did. Having leakage after Watchman was installed. Another procedure to plug the leakage. Fast forward to this last June, I was hospitalized for pneumonia. After I was release from the hospital, my AFIB appeared to be gone. No more AFIB detected for at least 6 months now. My reasoning for not doing cauterization is because it is irreversible, i.e. once the heart tissue is burnt or killed, it will never grow back. I was told I still have to take blood thinning medication after cauterization. And if the tissue is not completely dead, there may be a slim chance of the heart will repair itself however small a chance it may be. Please understand I am not suggesting you should do the same. If you keep taking the blood thinning medication Eliquis or Pradaxa and avoid major trauma to your head, you should be fine. The cardiologist told me too much coffee could cause AFIB. I did change my habit of drinking much less coffee and more exercise consistently. I am now a true believer of having good diet and consistent exercise will help. Good luck and stay healthy.

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@andrewc999
I had bi-weekly Afib that was violent and relentless for 10-12 hours. Pacemaker installed at early stage. Had ablation that knock wood will continue to offer relief from Afib. Like you, I don't tolerate coffee or tea much anymore not only for heart health but for digestive complications. I'm 76. Isn't aging fun? I have had to develop a more philosophical bent these recent years. Every day is a gift.

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Profile picture for andrewc999 @andrewc999

I am currently 75 male. I had AFIB for years (1998) and had a major stroke in 2022 (bleeding) I believer the stroke was caused by taking naproxen with Eliquis after knee surgery. Never take any NSAIDs medication with Eliquis or Pradaxa. I had the chemical Cardioversion one time which was not successful. I refused to do the ablation (Cauterization) which will burn the heart tissue. The cardiologist suggested to install a Watchman and I did. Having leakage after Watchman was installed. Another procedure to plug the leakage. Fast forward to this last June, I was hospitalized for pneumonia. After I was release from the hospital, my AFIB appeared to be gone. No more AFIB detected for at least 6 months now. My reasoning for not doing cauterization is because it is irreversible, i.e. once the heart tissue is burnt or killed, it will never grow back. I was told I still have to take blood thinning medication after cauterization. And if the tissue is not completely dead, there may be a slim chance of the heart will repair itself however small a chance it may be. Please understand I am not suggesting you should do the same. If you keep taking the blood thinning medication Eliquis or Pradaxa and avoid major trauma to your head, you should be fine. The cardiologist told me too much coffee could cause AFIB. I did change my habit of drinking much less coffee and more exercise consistently. I am now a true believer of having good diet and consistent exercise will help. Good luck and stay healthy.

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For me only one quarter cup coffee from the US or one quarter cup coffee ice cream sets my heart off. Keep up the good diet. God bless.

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@earther
We don’t always have a choice regarding surgery. My 4 hour surgery was due to cancer. My afib has been progressing for 5 years being in afib 30% of the time in recent months. I’m very symptomatic so those are lost days with exhaustion and very low BP causing me to be weak and faint. I don’t want to waste 30% of my life or have a stroke. I finally started Eliquis after that last TIA. I’ve had a lot of bad side effects to meds so I say no if at all optional. The 1st EP told me my case would take 2-3 ablations and no guarantee. He handles complex cases. I’m hoping for a better prediction with the second complex case EP I’m hoping will take my case. I recently stopped taking a cancer med that started the afib so I’m hoping the number of episodes will decrease without that x factor. We’ll see. I just had a 42 hour episode so I know it won’t stop completely.

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If you are consuming any caffeine or lots of refined sugar and processed foods, consider eliminating.

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