Stage 3 Kidney Disease and Diet: What can I eat?

Posted by carnes @carnes, Jun 11, 2018

It seems there is very little you can eat that is healthy for the Kidneys. The web site Davida has plenty of food on it but contradicts what other sources say. Anyone know anything for breakfast, lunch and dinner that does not have any sugar or flour bodies the obvious boring or bland foods good for Kidneys and I’m allergic to sugar of any kind of sweetener and flour. Thank you.

@kamama94

@msslj, there's a rough draft version of most of the recipes posted here already. It's in one of my earlier posts. Just bear in mind it contains errors and since posted I've done a lot of revision, though some recipes have stayed the same. Absolutely no guarantees they'll work for you but it's worth a try. Docs are busy peeps so may be sev wks before they get back to me with suggestions, then I'll edit and correct for a final draft. Sorry for the delay.

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You are so sweet. Thank you so very much. I am so grateful. I’m praying for your health and healing.

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I've moved back into stage 3 CKD and am feeling quite well but neph suggested I consider having arterial-venous access graft surgery some time this year in case dialysis becomes necessary sooner than we both think it will. At my request neph referred me to another neph for 2nd opinion and am going to schedule appointment for that. Would any of you go ahead and have the graft done if your eGFR is 33 and your BUN and creatinine are coming down closer to "normal" (but still high) or would you wait awhile and see if kidney function continues to improve? I'm not asking anyone to diagnose or provide medical advice, I'm just wondering what other people might do in a similar situation. Any feedback would be appreciated.

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@kamama94

I've moved back into stage 3 CKD and am feeling quite well but neph suggested I consider having arterial-venous access graft surgery some time this year in case dialysis becomes necessary sooner than we both think it will. At my request neph referred me to another neph for 2nd opinion and am going to schedule appointment for that. Would any of you go ahead and have the graft done if your eGFR is 33 and your BUN and creatinine are coming down closer to "normal" (but still high) or would you wait awhile and see if kidney function continues to improve? I'm not asking anyone to diagnose or provide medical advice, I'm just wondering what other people might do in a similar situation. Any feedback would be appreciated.

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@kamama94 It's greatto hear your GFR has come back into Stage 3 range! You serve as a good example of how we can manage our health ourselves with our diets. I'll be anxious to see a copy of your recipes when you get your doctors' opinions of them. As far as doing a proactive graft and a second opinion, I would say definitely a second opinion. I am not a doctor nor am I a medical professional. I do attend a monthly kidney support group through Renal Support Network(rsnhope.org), which can offer you some information. We have talked a few times about access points being placed prior to absolute need. Yes there is a healing time needed, especially if you are going to do peritoneal dialysis. My own personal opinion is that if your kidney disease is progressing slowly or in fact is increasing in GFR values the placing of an access point at this time maybe overkill. Go with your gut feelings because they seem to have stood you well over the years. Please keep us in the loop of what the second opinion doctor says!
Ginger

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@gingerw

@kamama94 It's greatto hear your GFR has come back into Stage 3 range! You serve as a good example of how we can manage our health ourselves with our diets. I'll be anxious to see a copy of your recipes when you get your doctors' opinions of them. As far as doing a proactive graft and a second opinion, I would say definitely a second opinion. I am not a doctor nor am I a medical professional. I do attend a monthly kidney support group through Renal Support Network(rsnhope.org), which can offer you some information. We have talked a few times about access points being placed prior to absolute need. Yes there is a healing time needed, especially if you are going to do peritoneal dialysis. My own personal opinion is that if your kidney disease is progressing slowly or in fact is increasing in GFR values the placing of an access point at this time maybe overkill. Go with your gut feelings because they seem to have stood you well over the years. Please keep us in the loop of what the second opinion doctor says!
Ginger

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@gingerw, thanks much! I'm leaning toward everything you just said. If it ain't broke yet, don't fix it immediately. But I'm still reserving judgment until I have more info. Will keep you posted.

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Recipe collection has now been vetted by members of my care team so feel free to download a copy at no charge. You may reproduce it and share it as long as you include copyright and trademark information for the companies who helped me.

Shared files

draft without sample meals DIABETIC AND RENAL FRIENDLY VEGETARIAN (draft-without-sample-meals-DIABETIC-AND-RENAL-FRIENDLY-VEGETARIAN.pdf)

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@kamama94

Recipe collection has now been vetted by members of my care team so feel free to download a copy at no charge. You may reproduce it and share it as long as you include copyright and trademark information for the companies who helped me.

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@kamama94 That's very generous of you to share. I am not vegetarian, so probably won't use much, but my son-in-law was raised vegetarian so I am always looking for appealing things to cook when my daughter and he visit. He does eat some meat and fish now, basically just chicken, and a little fish. He LOVES shrimp cocktail. I wonder if it's just the cocktail sauce!
JK

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@contentandwell

@kamama94 That's very generous of you to share. I am not vegetarian, so probably won't use much, but my son-in-law was raised vegetarian so I am always looking for appealing things to cook when my daughter and he visit. He does eat some meat and fish now, basically just chicken, and a little fish. He LOVES shrimp cocktail. I wonder if it's just the cocktail sauce!
JK

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@contentandwell. Yep, gotta be the sauce! Think of the veggie dishes as side dishes to accompany your meat dish? I don't miss cocktail sauce but I do miss shrimp. And chocolate!

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@kamama94

@contentandwell. Yep, gotta be the sauce! Think of the veggie dishes as side dishes to accompany your meat dish? I don't miss cocktail sauce but I do miss shrimp. And chocolate!

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@kamama94 WHAT????? You can't eat chocolate on a vegetarian diet? That simply would not do for me. I have had to give up my glass of wine with dinner due to my liver transplant and now I have had to give up dairy because I've developed lactose intolerance. Chocolate? No way.
JK

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@contentandwell

@kamama94 WHAT????? You can't eat chocolate on a vegetarian diet? That simply would not do for me. I have had to give up my glass of wine with dinner due to my liver transplant and now I have had to give up dairy because I've developed lactose intolerance. Chocolate? No way.
JK

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@contentandwell. Sure vegetarians can eat chocolate. Vegans can eat dark chocolate, too, and chocolates made with coconut milk (or almond or soy milk.) But CKD patients are to avoid it. Bummer. It's my favorite vegetable. Yep. it's a veggie because chocolate DOES come from a plant, LOL.

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Calling all those with CKD! I've never had "tummy trouble" but recently a couple of episodes of "indigestion" have occurred. I know we're supposed to avoid antacids but is there anything "kidney safe" to take OCCASIONALLY for heartburn? TIA.

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@kamama94

Calling all those with CKD! I've never had "tummy trouble" but recently a couple of episodes of "indigestion" have occurred. I know we're supposed to avoid antacids but is there anything "kidney safe" to take OCCASIONALLY for heartburn? TIA.

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@kamama94 On the list that I was given of acceptable and unacceptable OTC products for most patients, the following are acceptable for heartburn:
Pepcid AC
Zantac 150
Prilosec
Prevacid

The instructions for Tums, Mylanta, and Maalox say to take two hours before or 4 hours after transplant medications, so I assume they are safe for kidneys too.

I would suspect these would also be safe for kidneys since those of us on immunosuppressants are prone to kidney problems, that is something they keep a close watch for. I heard of one transplant center that actually told their liver transplant patients that they probably would eventually need a kidney transplant! Thankfully, MGH keeps a very watchful eye and makes adjustments to keep my creatinine down and my kidneys happy.
Of course, you should run these by your own doctor, particularly if you have been told to avoid antacids.
JK

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@contentandwell

@kamama94 On the list that I was given of acceptable and unacceptable OTC products for most patients, the following are acceptable for heartburn:
Pepcid AC
Zantac 150
Prilosec
Prevacid

The instructions for Tums, Mylanta, and Maalox say to take two hours before or 4 hours after transplant medications, so I assume they are safe for kidneys too.

I would suspect these would also be safe for kidneys since those of us on immunosuppressants are prone to kidney problems, that is something they keep a close watch for. I heard of one transplant center that actually told their liver transplant patients that they probably would eventually need a kidney transplant! Thankfully, MGH keeps a very watchful eye and makes adjustments to keep my creatinine down and my kidneys happy.
Of course, you should run these by your own doctor, particularly if you have been told to avoid antacids.
JK

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You mention Tums, they are calcium carbonate which my doctor said not to take if you have kidney stones. I’m not familiar of the difference between what can be used for Stones and the various types of kidney disease.
Good luck,
Jake

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@jakedduck1

You mention Tums, they are calcium carbonate which my doctor said not to take if you have kidney stones. I’m not familiar of the difference between what can be used for Stones and the various types of kidney disease.
Good luck,
Jake

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@jakedduck1 Ahh, then there's the difference. Plus of course, this could easily change if I did develop kidney problems. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, hoping that I do not. At my age I suspect I would not get a transplant, I would eventually be put on dialysis for what would be the rest of my life.
JK

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@contentandwell

@kamama94 On the list that I was given of acceptable and unacceptable OTC products for most patients, the following are acceptable for heartburn:
Pepcid AC
Zantac 150
Prilosec
Prevacid

The instructions for Tums, Mylanta, and Maalox say to take two hours before or 4 hours after transplant medications, so I assume they are safe for kidneys too.

I would suspect these would also be safe for kidneys since those of us on immunosuppressants are prone to kidney problems, that is something they keep a close watch for. I heard of one transplant center that actually told their liver transplant patients that they probably would eventually need a kidney transplant! Thankfully, MGH keeps a very watchful eye and makes adjustments to keep my creatinine down and my kidneys happy.
Of course, you should run these by your own doctor, particularly if you have been told to avoid antacids.
JK

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Thanks, JK.

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