Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain

Posted by John, Volunteer Mentor @johnbishop, Sep 10, 2020

When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.

Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.

I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.

You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.

Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.

Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?

Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.

Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?

Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?

Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?

Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.

Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.

John

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Neuropathy Support Group.

I, too, have what my neurologist said was Peripheral Neuropathy. Thankfully, I don’t have pain, only this awful numbness, and again, thankfully, only in my left foot. However, this alone, was enough to make me fall, in the shower (no less) and break my hip in three places!
I might also add that I have a history of scoliosis for which I’ve had seven surgeries….well, insertion of the rod, plus six “revision” surgeries. I have constant low back pain (unless I’m sitting/lying), so I count myself as “lucky” that at least I can sleep. Since my foot numbness is only on the left side (the site of the scoliosis), I have to think it’s because of all the surgeries. Funny, tho….i cannot get any medical professionals to agree….
My balance is really awful because of the numbness, hence the fall in the shower. As a matter of fact, I use a walker full-time because of my lack of balance. My hip surgery ended up leaving one leg shorter than the other. This too, not surprisingly, affects my balance.
I’m 73 years old and very fit, amazingly enough. I must say, though, the numbness is simply awful. A podiatrist suggested something called Metanx (sp?), but I haven’t bought it yet as it’s pretty pricey per month. For retired people, yet another bill would probably not be feasible, BUT, if if’d help this numbness, just might be worth it!
Has another else heard of this Metanx? If so, does it work?

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@wascaly

I, too, have what my neurologist said was Peripheral Neuropathy. Thankfully, I don’t have pain, only this awful numbness, and again, thankfully, only in my left foot. However, this alone, was enough to make me fall, in the shower (no less) and break my hip in three places!
I might also add that I have a history of scoliosis for which I’ve had seven surgeries….well, insertion of the rod, plus six “revision” surgeries. I have constant low back pain (unless I’m sitting/lying), so I count myself as “lucky” that at least I can sleep. Since my foot numbness is only on the left side (the site of the scoliosis), I have to think it’s because of all the surgeries. Funny, tho….i cannot get any medical professionals to agree….
My balance is really awful because of the numbness, hence the fall in the shower. As a matter of fact, I use a walker full-time because of my lack of balance. My hip surgery ended up leaving one leg shorter than the other. This too, not surprisingly, affects my balance.
I’m 73 years old and very fit, amazingly enough. I must say, though, the numbness is simply awful. A podiatrist suggested something called Metanx (sp?), but I haven’t bought it yet as it’s pretty pricey per month. For retired people, yet another bill would probably not be feasible, BUT, if if’d help this numbness, just might be worth it!
Has another else heard of this Metanx? If so, does it work?

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There is a discussion on Metanx that you might want to look through - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/metanx/.

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I was diagnosed with inherited SPN in 2004. Pain is well controlled with prescription meds but this last year I started having numbness increase in my toes and soles of my feet. I read about alpha-lipoic acid helping diabetic neuropathy in a research study and started it about 6 months ago. It has made a dramatic difference in 2 areas: my numbness is almost completely gone as long as I continue to take 600 mg twice a day; my back pain (nerve) is dramatically improved! I am no longer having to take Xstr Tylenol and Advil throughout the day for my back. I don't know if it will help the numbness in your feet but it has made a dramatic improvement my quality of life. Good luck to all of you who deal with daily health issues and keep your spirits up as best you can. Prayer helps me! And of course, positive people.

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@madje

I was diagnosed with inherited SPN in 2004. Pain is well controlled with prescription meds but this last year I started having numbness increase in my toes and soles of my feet. I read about alpha-lipoic acid helping diabetic neuropathy in a research study and started it about 6 months ago. It has made a dramatic difference in 2 areas: my numbness is almost completely gone as long as I continue to take 600 mg twice a day; my back pain (nerve) is dramatically improved! I am no longer having to take Xstr Tylenol and Advil throughout the day for my back. I don't know if it will help the numbness in your feet but it has made a dramatic improvement my quality of life. Good luck to all of you who deal with daily health issues and keep your spirits up as best you can. Prayer helps me! And of course, positive people.

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@madje Good information. Five years after my PN was diagnose my symptoms are mostly numbness and some tightness in my feet, ankles and lower legs (depending on the weather, lol!) Sensory motor skills affected, but not dramatically. I have been taking a few of the recommended supplements for about 2-3 years including R-Alpha Lipoic Acid. But, not nearly at the dosage you are! I feel I've held the progression at bay, but would love to see some actual improvement.
I'm nervous about upping the dosage from 300mg to 600 or as you have, even 1200. Are there no side effects???

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@mamamarch

@madje Good information. Five years after my PN was diagnose my symptoms are mostly numbness and some tightness in my feet, ankles and lower legs (depending on the weather, lol!) Sensory motor skills affected, but not dramatically. I have been taking a few of the recommended supplements for about 2-3 years including R-Alpha Lipoic Acid. But, not nearly at the dosage you are! I feel I've held the progression at bay, but would love to see some actual improvement.
I'm nervous about upping the dosage from 300mg to 600 or as you have, even 1200. Are there no side effects???

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I haven’t noticed anything different. I find the brand makes a difference to me too. But it’s like taking an OTC pain reliever. It seems to wear off midday. I’m actually taking the higher dose for my back pain due to arthritis of the spine and osteoporosis settling in there. I didn’t mind taking the Tylenol but when I had to start ibuprofen and was upping that dose too every day, I decided it was the lesser of 2 evils.

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Thank you for responding. Good info.

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I developed neuropathy caused by Chemo treatments. I have numbness of my toes and the sole of my feet but, no pain. However, the numbness has caused poor balance that has contributed to several falls. In looking for something that helps me manage these symptoms, I have f1ound the following.
1. Wearing Compression Stockings during the day with laced up sneakers that have support (I wear Brooks running sneakers). I wear the laced sneakers both inside and outside the house which helps with my balance problem.
2. Doing the YouTube "Simple Exercises for Feet and Toes" presented by Kelly, a cancer rehab physical therapist that specializes in Oncology. The exercises include:
Ankle Rolls
Calf Stretches
Kick Backs with Ankle Pumps
Heels and Toe Raises
Kick Backs
Marching
Single Leg Balance
Desensitization doing Towel Crunches
I also do a 10 minute slow walk daily and this has helped me improve. Before doing all these I was unable to walk to my mailbox without help.

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@diaz

I developed neuropathy caused by Chemo treatments. I have numbness of my toes and the sole of my feet but, no pain. However, the numbness has caused poor balance that has contributed to several falls. In looking for something that helps me manage these symptoms, I have f1ound the following.
1. Wearing Compression Stockings during the day with laced up sneakers that have support (I wear Brooks running sneakers). I wear the laced sneakers both inside and outside the house which helps with my balance problem.
2. Doing the YouTube "Simple Exercises for Feet and Toes" presented by Kelly, a cancer rehab physical therapist that specializes in Oncology. The exercises include:
Ankle Rolls
Calf Stretches
Kick Backs with Ankle Pumps
Heels and Toe Raises
Kick Backs
Marching
Single Leg Balance
Desensitization doing Towel Crunches
I also do a 10 minute slow walk daily and this has helped me improve. Before doing all these I was unable to walk to my mailbox without help.

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Hello @diaz, Welcome to Connect. Thanks for sharing what has helped you with the neuropathy from chemo. I think you might also find the following discussion helpful:
--- Chemotherapy-induced neuropathy: What helps get rid of it?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/chemotherapy-induced-neuropathy/

How long have you had the neuropathy symptoms from chemo?

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John,
Thank your for your message. I have had the neuropathy for the past 3 months. I am hoping it will not progress but, I'll have to wait and see. Thank you for the website information, I will access the information. Diaz

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@diaz

I developed neuropathy caused by Chemo treatments. I have numbness of my toes and the sole of my feet but, no pain. However, the numbness has caused poor balance that has contributed to several falls. In looking for something that helps me manage these symptoms, I have f1ound the following.
1. Wearing Compression Stockings during the day with laced up sneakers that have support (I wear Brooks running sneakers). I wear the laced sneakers both inside and outside the house which helps with my balance problem.
2. Doing the YouTube "Simple Exercises for Feet and Toes" presented by Kelly, a cancer rehab physical therapist that specializes in Oncology. The exercises include:
Ankle Rolls
Calf Stretches
Kick Backs with Ankle Pumps
Heels and Toe Raises
Kick Backs
Marching
Single Leg Balance
Desensitization doing Towel Crunches
I also do a 10 minute slow walk daily and this has helped me improve. Before doing all these I was unable to walk to my mailbox without help.

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(@diaz) What a wonderful list! These are the very practices that help me––in fact, they're about the only practices I follow that have provided me with … not relief, necessarily … but balance and gait improvement. Thank you for posting!

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