Anyone think that it’s no longer long Covid? just permanent damage?

Posted by ericy210 @ericy210, Mar 26, 2023

It’s been 10 months since I was a happy, successful, talented businessman and family guy with a nice suburban life.
Now I have trouble with basic memory and processing.
I’m in a couple of clinical long Covid programs, had tons of tests, and am on dementia meds and adderall to repair neural connections and help me focus at work. I’m tired of all the neurologists and endless testing.
I don’t even know if it’s meaningful to say I have long Covid. I’m just screwed up, like someone in a car accident who will always limp or is missing an arm or is paralyzed.
It seems I’m left with “managing the symptoms” until brain fog, dementia, Parkinson’s, traumatic brain injury, MS, and other related brain ailments are magically cured.
I’m trying to accept I’m a new guy now. I’m stuck trying to pretend I am the pre-Covid guy and just being a blurred xerox copy of myself.

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@walk4life

@ericy210 How do you find a long covid clinic?

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Clinicaltrials.gov has all clinical studies, if they’re recruiting, and can enroll you in a study.
https://recovercovid.org/ is the national program led by the NIH that I’m in.
I’m in Chicago so I looked at the top university hospitals. Northwestern had a Covid program I joined in May 2022. I’ve had every test possible done on me, even tests not fda approved.

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@dloos

Believe me, I have been down all these roads. over two years I have seen more doctors, and tried more therapies than I can count. One or two appointments a week for a couple years really adds up!
Anti-depressants have been suggested (and tried) since the very beginning. Thus far, none have helped me, and side effects only made me feel worse. I now am a patient with an Integrative medical group that I feel may help me. Vitamin infusions seem to be giving me some strength and appetite. I have very low dose Klonopin that helps anxiety and sleeplessness on bad days.
I am new to this program so cannot say I have found the answer, but I continue to strive to overcome the challenges. I don’t like the “new me” but I’m trying to adjust.

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I’ve been on anti-depression/anxiety meds for years. I don’t know if they help weather the storm or not. I’ve been more depressed with the consistent disappointment and shame of now being to do anything at my normal levels. I’ve been seeing a neuropsychologist to help me navigate a world while being mentally impaired.

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@earlylonghauler

Hi Ericy, your post resonates with me - very similar to things I have felt and written. My life has changed completely since 2020. Covid does neurological damage and the hippocampus is a target. My initial covid symptom was amnesia (likely a focal seizure). A few weeks later fatigue, nerve pain, brain fog. Doctors had no clue. Then I felt fine. Years later, rapid weight loss, brain fog, and most recently - more serious seizures and now an Epilepsy diagnosis. I’m not the same person. Getting a good clinical team together is important - doctors that believe you, take an interest in whatever strange symptoms you may have, and are keenly motivated to help. It also helps that as we learn more about Covid, doctors are more likely to have seen whatever it is you have before.

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It’s really hard to get a team together where different disciplines get it. I have neurologists, a pneumologist, psychiatrist, neuropsychologist, cardiologist, and other clinical study doctors. They’re all affiliated with the same university and its Covid program. But I had to assemble the team and coordinate data sharing and communication. It takes effort when some doctors have limited Covid understanding.

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@bunzman

Appreciate your testimony but you can not get LC from a booster/vaccine. I mean if you can exlain the technical way given how the vaccine works that can be true, I am anxious to listen, but nothing I've read attributes long covid to anything other than a reaction to actually being infected with the virus itself. I mean did Mayo doctors specifically tell you you got LC because of the booster you received? The covid vaccines do not work the same way as others and why I would be interested in anyone here elaborating how LC can evolve from the vaccine...I wish you well in striving for a complete recovery...

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Thanks. I have no opinion on long Covid and vaccines. I took the first one and first booster yet got Covid. No doctor could tell me if another round of vaccinations is indicated for someone with long Covid, so I decided not to bother. Maybe there’s more research now. I don’t get into vaccine debates because I’m not an expert. I’m making my own personal decisions.

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@belson

Ericy220
Your recovery after several years is wonderful
I agree Mayo is the best. When I went both the clinician and I felt I was headed for recovery so we didn’t need a plan. Unfortunately I was not in recovery and it was a temporary lull. You credit less symptoms to your plan, can you tell us what your steps were to get there and thanks for the encouragement

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I was close with my doctors. I had 100 appointments in 20 months for tests, cognitive treatment, and more. I listened to docs and followed recommendations on diet and exercise. I am on anti-depressants and see a psychiatrist and therapist- my life has had a thick layer of frustration and stress knowing I suck at everything I used to do well. And I talk to people like this. We are not a,one.

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@walk4life

@ericy210 How do you find a long covid clinic?

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I didn’t even knew there was such a thing. It was early days of Covid and I just called the major Chicago hospitals and medical universities to see if they had anything. They’ll pay me $20 to come and and get very sophisticated tests, some being approved by the FDA by testing on me and other volunteers. Works for me

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@dloos

Trying not to hate the “new me”. I cannot hear, or see well. I’m dizzy, constipated, have tinnitus and hyperacusis. Since I cannot hear or see well I can’t drive....and where would I go? Stores and crowds overwhelm me.
Like you, I try to enjoy a pretty day. I go outside and walk a little. While food isn’t what it used to be (I’ve lost thirty pounds) sometimes I can eat. I know others are suffering too, perhaps more than me.
I go to my various health therapies with little to no improvement. The tools are not right, but people want to help.
Happy New Year, and God help us all.

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I empathize with all you said. My doctor prescribed neurological medicine to help with memory and processing lots of stimuli, like in a crowd. And medicine to focus. You may ask if paxlovid is right for you. It completely transformed me. If you go to clinicaltrials.gov, you’ll see lots of long covid research is getting funded and a lot of research and learning is underway. That gives me hope.

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@smdawson540

I don't think there is a cure for long COVID. My LC clinic told me that COVID went through and turned on my "bad genes". I have non-curable issues - POTS, Neuropathy, CRPS, gastroparesis, etc. I am at my best acceptance point of my new normal after over 3 years of hell. There is no going back and being who I was before. I am working on the best case scenario for the messed up new me. Low energy hobbies. Low bar happiness - example being I woke up today. I made coffee and could drink it. If I have a day and crave a food that in turn smells good and I can eat is really exciting. Even as we navigate our new normal, remember we all still have value. It can always be worse. I would rather wake up and feel bad vs not waking up. Happy New Year. I wish us all good luck and the base case living with our new normals.

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My long Covid speech/cognitive therapist told me I can’t try to rewind and be the old me. I can create new abilities and ways to get back to where I was, perhaps even better, like people who lose a limb then become great athletes.
My daughter has pots and is in a clinical program. Her stomach issues are terrible but meds, diet, and exercise provide some relief. For my long Covid, pacing is really important- how I manage my energy levels, sleep times, activities. I know not to schedule important business meetings at the day because I’m sometimes too exhausted to remember how to use my computer or speak without slurring. Yes, we all have value. If we keep our eyes and hearts open, there’s endless parts of the day to enjoy, like a squirrel running in the snow and leaving cool footprints, then my dog sniffing the prints.

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@arichards3

@ericy210 I wish you the best as you work to recover. Based on my personal experience I have a question. You mention a Neurologist so obviously you've seen a Neurologist. My own personal journey in Charleston SC was coined by one of my specialists as "the journey of what its not". We have a couple of very fine medical groups here and it is surprising their lack of knowledge and treatment or LC. I doth digress . . . My LC was caused by my booster in November '21. I went to my GP in January '22 and he threw every test in the book at me, finding nothing. He sent me on to cardiology, ENT, and Neurology. Along that journey all that was found was "some level of dysautonomia" which by the way is something common in LC sufferers. Fast forward to August '23 (yes it took me that long waiting in line for specialists and special tests) and I went to Mayo Rochester. I have been executing their plan beginning September '23 and I fell better, not 100% back, but better. Best case I do get to 100%, worst case I have learned how to manage my condition and feel better most of the time. Highly recommend you go to Mayo or any of the other hospitals that offer well researched LC recovery programs.

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Hello. The neurologist first put me on a dementia medication to try slow the destruction of synapse connections in the brain. I did a couple of MRIs and no structural defects were found. I did a 300 question test for psych analysis and it showed I as depressed. I did an eight hour session where I’m matching colors, repeating sentences, and other IQ-type claims. I spent a week in the hospital with 28 electrodes on my scalp and a camera on me at all times - the tried sleep deprivation, flashing lights, and more to see if they could induce a seizure. I had classic blood markers off that are consistent with long Covid. The cognitive ability stuff can be misleading since it measures you versus the average. I’ve done it before and qualified for Mensa and am very successful. The test comes back with me at average or slightly average, but I know I could have done better.
I as told to get expensive software for home to retrain my brain and measure progress. Now that I’m feeling better, I can blow the roof off those tests. I may crash in a couple of weeks. That’s why I bought an Apple Watch when this started. I can call for help and it could walk me to my car, which I’ve lost in the past. Some days are really good, some are a struggle, but I’m seeing some light ahead after a long journey and nothings going to stop me.

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I understand you. I feel the same way, I am not the same as I was before 2020.
Long covid is just a new auto immune disease made by an evil virus that was accidently put in the world. There are millions of us suffering. There is no cure. We have all the symptoms of all those neurological diseases and we can’t do anything about it. Steroids help but create other issues if used long term.
It has cost me so much money and I get no financial relief even from work when I can work.
This is my new normal. It’s hard to accept and it’s not my choice but I have no choice either.

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