PVCs back again

Posted by pvctom2021 @pvctom2021, Dec 17, 2023

Hi, pvctom here,

Just wanted to say hi and mention my dreaded nighttime PVCs are back..been slowly sneaking up on me…god I hate these uncomfortable sensations…thank god I’m over 8 months since my THR..now on top of morning fears and worry, I can almost guarantee these things happen later in the evening…belching and bad digestion doesn’t help…I get to see my psychiatrist this Wednesday about the morning fears…glad I can come here to write something to somebody…hope everyone here has a peaceful nice Christmas…

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713j | @713j | Dec 18, 2023

In reply to @gloaming "Bless you, Tom. I have a suggestion for you, and unfortunately there's no way to tell..." + (show)

@gloaming

Bless you, Tom. I have a suggestion for you, and unfortunately there's no way to tell if it might be the ticket for you until you try it. I have done this, having learned of it just a few weeks ago. The pyloric valve, at the top of the stomach, is sensitive to acid. It pinches closed when exposed to acid, which it will be exposed to shortly after you have consumed anything substantial that activates acid production. At least, that's what the story is. So, if you find yourself belching acid-fumed gas, and having indigestion, you're in two deficits: a pyloric valve that can't/won't shut and insufficient acid to make it do so if it wants to shut. Further, you may need a reconfiguration of your gut flora...all the microbiota that a healthy human has all the way down the alimentary tract, top to bottom. Taking pro-biotics, enriched yogurt, fermented vegetables like sauerkraut and kimchi, really helps.
But, to get help right quick for belching and indigestion, there's something I have begun to do and it works! Swallow about a full tbsp of apple cider vinegar. What!?!?! When I have acid indigestion?!? Gimme a break! Yes, when you have belching and acid indigestion, take MORE acid. Apple cider vinegar is highly acidic, and rather unpleasant to take neat. But very soon after you take it, your pyloric valve will shut and you'll find yourself in bliss. You may still belch once or twice, but you won't have to put off going to bed, for example, while you let your stomach calm down...often hours later. You'll be good to go inside of 90 minutes.

You want to avoid exposing the higher esophagus to stomach acid. All sorts of bad things can happen, including cancer...apparently. So, as soon as you begin the cycle of belching and grimacing with acid reflux, go get that apple cider vinegar and knock 'er back. Not particularly fun, but what comes inside of ten minutes is a lot better experience.

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Interesting on the apple cider vinegar. I have pacs and pvcs. Horrible at night. 2% burden. Do you take heart meds? I take carvedilol at morning and night. Do not think I have an acid issue but will try the apple cider vinegar. Does GERD cause nausea?

pvctom2021 | @pvctom2021 | Dec 18, 2023

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Thank you 🙏 so much for your information and replies…and I will keep this group posted..so much support and empathy here..truly a good place to come …👍

pvctom2021 | @pvctom2021 | Dec 18, 2023

In reply to @713j "Interesting on the apple cider vinegar. I have pacs and pvcs. Horrible at night. 2% burden...." + (show)

Thank you 🙏 for your reply..yes I take metropolis 25 mg twice a day, Ramapril 10 mg , chlorthaladone 25 plus Lipitor and GERD and GAD medication 💊..isn’t it terrible when they come on you later in the evening…at my worst, w had to get up and walk around and cough to straighten the rhythm out…tri Gemini really gets me…but echo and holter monitors have shown < 3 % PVC burden…ejection fraction 55-58 %….so I share this here perhaps where others may feel the same
Support and empathy that I get…bless you and may your PVcs go away …😢

gloaming | @gloaming | Dec 18, 2023

In reply to @713j "Interesting on the apple cider vinegar. I have pacs and pvcs. Horrible at night. 2% burden...." + (show)

'...Do you take heart meds? ...'

Not any more, 713j. I developed AF in mid-2017, and was put on metoprolol, apixaban (anti-coagulant...NOT a blood 'thinner') and a statin. Over time, the metoprolol lost effectiveness and I was finally referred to an electrophysiologist to see if I was a candidate for a catheter ablation. The EP performed two ablations seven months apart, two because the first failed to stop my AF. In between ablations, because my heart was so erratic, I was kept on metoprolol, but also had an eight week regimen of amiodarone, a very powerful anti-arrhythmia drug, but also a toxic one. You don't want to be on it for more than a few months ideally.
Since my second ablation, I was able to go off metoprolol, but I still take the statin, and I'm told I have to take Eliquis, or apixaban, for life due to my age and heart health history.

If an ablation is in the cards, and if it is performed by a highly experience and successful EP, it can turn your life around. They need a touchup at times, about 30% of the time, but if done well they can last for several years, even a decade. That's a loooonnnngg time to be free of the thumping and bumping....and the anxiety.

rebaheizer | @rebaheizer | Dec 18, 2023

I sometimes have as many as 16 per minute. It doesn’t help when the Dr. blows it off as harmless-it doesn’t feel harmless as you well know. Hang in there!

713j | @713j | Dec 19, 2023

In reply to @rebaheizer "I sometimes have as many as 16 per minute. It doesn’t help when the Dr. blows..." + (show)

Find an EP doctor. They are for electrical. Cardiologist are for plumbing

rebaheizer | @rebaheizer | Dec 19, 2023

I have been thinking the same. My Pc said get a referral from plumber but he just wants to give me a pacemaker and then more meds. I will try again at my January appointment. He’s so arrogant but he did save my life!

713j | @713j | Dec 19, 2023

What can you do to get a good night sleep with pacs and pvcs @2% burden?

pvctom2021 | @pvctom2021 | Dec 19, 2023

In reply to @713j "What can you do to get a good night sleep with pacs and pvcs @2% burden?" + (show)

Sometimes I take 10-20 ml of liquid mylanta…it helps sometimes for me….good luck..🍀

jc76 | @jc76 | Dec 19, 2023

In reply to @rebaheizer "I sometimes have as many as 16 per minute. It doesn’t help when the Dr. blows..." + (show)

@rebaheizer , When my act up I can have one about every 5 beats. When not acting up they are usually around 1 every 20 beats. I have been told stress, what you eat, electrolytes, supplements, can all affect your PVCs so I try to be careful with them.

You will see a lot of recommendations to see a EP. I echo that. They can do a holter monitor check and get a real look at where they are coming from and how many. From that they can recommend ablation, medications, supplements.

And yes even supplements can help. Magnesium is one of them but please do not rely on what I was told to take magnesium make sure your PCP and hopefully your EP recommends it.

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