Kevzara (sarilumab) to treat PMR

Posted by hfoster @hfoster, Oct 11, 2022

I am 54, diagnosed with PMR June 2022 but symptoms started Nov 2021. I have tapered Pred to 8mg and most days my pain is around a 2 or 3 out of 10. Reasonable, I felt for active PMR and I'll take Tylenol Arthritis to help with pain if needed. But, my Rheumatologist wants me off Pred ASAP. He wants me to take Kevzara and says studies have shown that it gets rid of PMR and the drug should be approved to treat PMR by this spring. Has anyone been part of the trials and/or had experience using this drug to treat PMR?

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@paulagcl

All these drugs seem to have that risk from infection.

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My rheumatologist was diplomatic about the risk of infections from these medications. She said it was because of "too much immunosupression."

The goal of all these medications is to suppress the immune system. That is the treatment for autoimmune disorders. Prednisone might me the most potent immunosuppressive medication of them all which is why it works so well.

I'm on a biologic now and I was able to taper completely off prednisone. If my experience counts for anything, I haven't had a serious infection since being off prednisone. Yes, a serious infection is still a possibility.

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@sheralee

Dear Friends-
My rheumatologist wants to start me on Kevzara & wean down off prednisone. This got approve for PMR in Feb & was for only RA before. It sounds promising, but infection strategy may be high compared to prednisone. If you have any comment or opinion or dguidance, please share with me.

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That's the hope my doctor gave me re Kevzara, that he can wean me off prednisone, which apparently has worse side effects, I guess because it suppresses the entire immune system whereas, as I understand it, the biologics target the one responsible for specific conditions.

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@paulagcl

That's the hope my doctor gave me re Kevzara, that he can wean me off prednisone, which apparently has worse side effects, I guess because it suppresses the entire immune system whereas, as I understand it, the biologics target the one responsible for specific conditions.

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That was hope my rheumatologist gave me too about Actemra. That was before Kevzara was FDA approved for PMR.

My rheumatologist encouraged me to give Actemra a try about 4 years ago. The nice part about Actemra was that, unlike prednisone, Actemra can be stopped easily. My rheumatololgist assured me that Actemra could be stopped if it didn't work or the side effects were too severe. I certainly have NOT had any serious infections since being on Actemra but infections are still possible.

I started feeling better when Actemra kept the inflammation in check instead of prednisone. PMR flares haven't happened as long as I continue Actemra. It would be nice to be able to stop Actemra sometime in the future.

I was just fortunate to be able to taper off prednisone after taking it for 12 years to treat PMR. My adrenals were not working well when my cortisol level was checked. I had to taper down to 3 mg of prednisone in order to have my cortisol level checked. It took about a year for my cortisol level to increase and I was able to stop prednisone.

Cortisol is the hormone that regulates inflammation. The prednisone we take replaces the cortisol that the adrenals produce. Too much or too little cortisol is detrimental to the body. There was no way of knowing how much prednisone I needed at any given time.

Prednisone is a poor substitute for the cortisol our bodies produce and more importantly, how our cortisol levels are regulated by the HPA axis. There was no way for me to regulate how much cortisol I needed with the precision that the HPA axis regulates cortisol.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal-hpa-axis-5222557
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I was taking ten other medications to treat prednisone related side effects. Cortisol is a hormone that regulates many other things besides inflammation.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/22187-cortisol
Prednisone was regulating inflammation because of PMR but it caused many other things to become unregulated. Being off prednisone has allowed me to stop six of the medications I was taking to control my blood pressure, cholesterol level and a few other things.

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@dadcue

I was on prednisone for 12 years primarily for the treatment of PMR. I have multiple autoimmune disorders which my rheumatologist calls "systemic inflammation" or a "full range" of rheumatology problems.

Four years ago, I started doing Actemra injections every two weeks and tapered off prednisone in 7 months. I'm currently doing monthly Actemra infusions. I haven't had any side effects from Actemra other than slightly elevated liver enzymes and slightly low neutrophil counts.

I have stopped Actemra twice but my symptoms returned each time. My rheumatologist said the reason why my symptoms returned was because of "immune memory." Normally, the immune system develops a memory for pathogens foreign to the body. My rheumatologist thinks my immune system has developed a memory for attacking me.

I had many side effects during my 12 years of taking prednisone, My medication list grew from no medications to 12 medications for "prednisone related" side effects.

My medication list has shrunk since being on Actemra. I take a multivitamin which is optional. I still take 3 other medications that are "recommended" for residual prednisone related side effects. I also "need to take" warfarin for life because of a massive, multiple and bilateral pulmonary embolism. The "unprovoked" pulmonary embolism happened while I was taking prednisone. There was some discussion while I was intensive care that prednisone put me at a greater risk for cardiovascular events.

One advantage of Actemra is that you can stop it at any time for any infection or any side effect. I don't recall any infections during my 4 years while on Actemra alone. My side effects from Actemra are deemed to be minimal.

I started Actemra before the Covid epidemic. One of the reasons that I stopped Actemra was because supplies of Actemra were being diverted to seriously ill patients hospitalized with Covid.

I haven't ever tested positive for Covid. I wear a mask regularly but not as much lately.

One of the side effects of Actemra is an increased risk of a serious infection. I haven't needed to discontinue Actemra for any serious infection that I have had while on Actemra.

I recall having a knack for getting infections while on prednisone

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Thanks, this is very helpful. You mentioned that Actemra can be stopped at any time (unlike Prednisone). This is indeed an important advantage that had not occurred to me. I assume suddenly stopping Actemra would increase the risk of a PMR relapse, though. Otherwise it would have no advantage over tapering Prednisone alone.

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@redboat

Thanks, this is very helpful. You mentioned that Actemra can be stopped at any time (unlike Prednisone). This is indeed an important advantage that had not occurred to me. I assume suddenly stopping Actemra would increase the risk of a PMR relapse, though. Otherwise it would have no advantage over tapering Prednisone alone.

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How are you doing with Actemra? I think you were lucky to start Actemra as quickly as you did. I wish I could have tried Actemra much sooner.

Twelve years on prednisone with all the inherent risks and side effects of prednisone was a very long time. I'm not so sure managing the symptoms of PMR with long term prednisone and waiting for PMR to "burn itself out" is a good approach to the problem anymore.

When adrenal suppression starts to happen, it becomes more difficult to taper off prednisone. The slow taper that people are told to do when starting out on prednisone is because of the side effect of adrenal insufficiency. I believe when there isn't enough cortisol to regulate inflammation then the risk of a relapse increases. The symptoms of adrenal insufficiency also increase. Both conditions mimic each other.

I don't know how many of my symptoms were from PMR and how many symptoms were caused by adrenal insufficiency. I think it was a combination of both.

I have stopped Actema twice after I tapered off prednisone. My rheumatologist didn't exactly want to stop Actemra. The supply of Actemra during covid was limited and I couldn't get my prescription refilled. My rheumatologist said I could take prednisone again if I absolutely needed to. I held out as long as I could but I needed 15 mg again after about 3 months. I wouldn't call it a flare or at least not a sudden increase in symptoms. It was more of a gradually increase in pain as my inflammation markers crept higher.

I was only on 15 mg of prednisone again for about 2 months before Actemra was available again. I tapered down from 15 mg back to zero in less than 2 months that time.

I'm not sure my symptoms were PMR symptoms as much as my adrenals were having difficulty regulating inflammation. In any case, I felt I needed prednisone again. I joked with my rheumatologist that I was a prednisone junkie and I needed a cortisol fix.

I didn't realize how much adrenal insufficiency factored into the equation until Actemra allowed me to taper down to low dose prednisone. I kept telling myself that Actemra was controlling my PMR symptoms and I didn't need prednisone anymore. I had a hard time convincing myself but eventually I didn't need prednisone anymore.

Now I need to figure out how to wean myself off Actemra. My rheumatologist says I may have a problem with "immune system memory." He says the immune system develops a memory for things that are foreign to the body. The same thing happens with autoimmune disorders. The immune system can't distinguish my own tissues (good stuff) from the bad stuff. Unfortunately the immune system acquires a memory for the good stuff and may have develop a "long term memory" for attacking me or the good stuff. My rheumatologist says it isn't likely that my immune system will forget anytime soon what it has been attacking for so many years.

Maybe if remission could have been achieved sooner, my immune system wouldn't have a long term memory for attacking me. I might have a better chance for a long term remission.

Does this make sense?? I'm still trying to wrap my head around some of the things my rheumatologist says. I don't think there is anyway to knowing what will happen in regards to having a relapse. I'm more in a try it and see mode.

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@paulagcl

That's the hope my doctor gave me re Kevzara, that he can wean me off prednisone, which apparently has worse side effects, I guess because it suppresses the entire immune system whereas, as I understand it, the biologics target the one responsible for specific conditions.

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@paulagcl and. @dadcue -- Please look at the slides in PMRandIl6.com - https://www.pmrandil6.com/resources/. scroll down to find the videos
The two biologicals tocilizumab and sarilumab are anti-IL6-receptor antibodies . this site is from sanofi /regeneron and is not an advertisement* for Kevzara (sarilumab)!- . there are two videos - nicely done for lay people .
* that said - the video about the contraindications of Prednisone is practically an advertisement for wanting to try sarilumab !! : )

The American college of Rheumatology Meeting is in Nov- it will be interesting to see what abstracts there are for PMR and who might be doing (more) basic research about the immune-cell pathways.

In 2022 this paper was published about GCA -- Fig 3 shows what tocilizumab is blocking.
Review
New Insights into the Pathogenesis of Giant Cell Arteritis: Mechanisms Involved in Maintaining Vascular Inflammation

In 2022 - this paper review was published about PMR - i really like the Lunberg fig with the shoulder girdle ! An update on polymyalgia rheumatica
Ingrid E. Lundberg. J Intern Med. 2022;292:717–732

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@sheralee

Dear Friends-
My rheumatologist wants to start me on Kevzara & wean down off prednisone. This got approve for PMR in Feb & was for only RA before. It sounds promising, but infection strategy may be high compared to prednisone. If you have any comment or opinion or dguidance, please share with me.

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This is interesting!

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@nyxygirl

@paulagcl and. @dadcue -- Please look at the slides in PMRandIl6.com - https://www.pmrandil6.com/resources/. scroll down to find the videos
The two biologicals tocilizumab and sarilumab are anti-IL6-receptor antibodies . this site is from sanofi /regeneron and is not an advertisement* for Kevzara (sarilumab)!- . there are two videos - nicely done for lay people .
* that said - the video about the contraindications of Prednisone is practically an advertisement for wanting to try sarilumab !! : )

The American college of Rheumatology Meeting is in Nov- it will be interesting to see what abstracts there are for PMR and who might be doing (more) basic research about the immune-cell pathways.

In 2022 this paper was published about GCA -- Fig 3 shows what tocilizumab is blocking.
Review
New Insights into the Pathogenesis of Giant Cell Arteritis: Mechanisms Involved in Maintaining Vascular Inflammation

In 2022 - this paper review was published about PMR - i really like the Lunberg fig with the shoulder girdle ! An update on polymyalgia rheumatica
Ingrid E. Lundberg. J Intern Med. 2022;292:717–732

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Thanks for sharing this great information @nyxygirl!

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@sheralee

Dear Friends-
My rheumatologist wants to start me on Kevzara & wean down off prednisone. This got approve for PMR in Feb & was for only RA before. It sounds promising, but infection strategy may be high compared to prednisone. If you have any comment or opinion or dguidance, please share with me.

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@nyxygirl
Very interesting information. Thank-you

I might delve into inflammation pathways more. I don't understand much more than the IL-6 cytokine. My knowledge of the IL-6 cytokine is rudimentary.

The IL-6 receptor blockade that Actemra (tocilizumab) provides me has made a world of difference. My rheumatologist is now documenting that PMR is in remission. The real question now is whether or not PMR will remain in remission when Actemra is stopped. I don't think there is any way of knowing unless I give it a try.

I'm currently doing monthly infusions of Actemra. My role is to show up for my infusion every month. I like it that way because I no longer worry about how much prednisone to take. When I was doing Actemra injections, I still needed to think about what day it was so I wouldn't forget to do my injection.

My rheumatologist says I shouldn't worry about inflammation pathways. He says cytokines have a way of communicating with each other so there isn't an "individual IL-6 inflammation pathway." Cytokines are complicated web of communication channels with a lot of "cross talk" along with endocrine signaling. He acknowledged that IL-6 is a key cytokine player for several autoimmune disorders.

In the realm PMR and GCA, the following link suggests some progress is being made at last!
https://www.hcplive.com/view/uncovering-the-mystery-advancements-treatment-polymyalgia-rheumatica

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@paulagcl

This is interesting!

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Somehow it helps on some level to understand intellectually what is happening in the body.

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