Newly diagnosed and/or living with ascending aortic aneurysm…anxiety

Posted by ginnycake @ginnycake, Apr 11, 2023

How do you guys cope with the knowledge? My 4.2 CM ascending aortic aneurysm showed up incidentally on a CT scan for a back sprain.
I haven’t had follow up as I write this. It is scheduled for the 11th with my primary care Dr. Will I get another scan of my chest to confirm it???I live in Hawaii… fearful of it not being taken seriously and having spiked high blood pressure from Stress and anxiety cause more damage. I would appreciate your insights… thank you in advance.

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@bill66912

Hi, Ginny -

I'm very new to all of this; my Aneurysm was just found like three weeks ago. My new Cardio put me on a Statin, but nothing for Blood Pressure (yet). My aim is to keep from taking medication if I can help it.

I've practiced yoga and meditation for a few years now, and even though I get nervous at all of this too, the breathwork from both practices really does work to slow the body's systems down and thus lower heart rates and blood pressures. I have to take my BP twice a day, and have found that it takes me two or three times with some concentrated effort to slow things down to get a good reading.

Even just something as simple as four square breathing helps.
Inhale for 4 seconds
Hold for 4 seconds
Exhale for 6 seconds
Hold the exhale for 4 seconds
Repeat for a minute or two and then check your BP and see if it helps.

Feeling grateful for groups like this. Good luck and let us know how you're doing!

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My son died suddenly 1.5 years ago on his 50th birthday with ruptured aeortic dissection. He had untreated high BP because he didn’t “have time” to go to Dr. Take the medication! It’s a deadly condition and not much time once it ruptures😢

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Just to share my experience. I found out 2 years ago when it was at 4 cm during a routine heart ultrasound. I was extremely concerned when I found out about it and the potential consequences and I immediately visited a major university hospital heart specialists out of state where they did a full scan of the aorta chest to pelvis. I now send them my scans for review and also have a local heart specialist at my local hospital heart unit monitor my condition. As of December at 4.2 cm. Next scan end of May.
Specialists advise:
- keep blood pressure normal, heart rate under 120, no straining when lifting and no lifting over 100 lb. At this point, at least annual scans. No more road cycling up steep hills for me. Doing walking instead.
- surgery at 5 to 5.5 cm. Takes about 6 hours, valve is also inspected and if needed replaced.
- There is always a possibility of a tear but was told if I get sudden sharp pain in the chest to immediately rush to my local hospital whose heart unit can operate or send me to a larger hospital via helicopter.

Everyone is different but close monitoring by a specialist and a plan to know where to go if/when surgery is needed is important, from when I am told.

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I begin by saying that I'm relaying my experience and the following is my opinion--nothing more. I had moved into semi retirement (65, I'm now 66) and while overweight (222 at the time, now 208 but shooting for 190) and borderline high cholesteral. I was active with outside activities literally to my physical limit each day with no symptoms. A regular trip to my family doctor showed an issue on ultrasound. Referral to first a cat scan and subsequently a heart Dr. showed an ascending aortic aneurysm @ 4.1. Similar to other stories here, the Drs. didn't seem to exhibit much concern other than, restrict my activities or you could rupture and die immediately. Don't do anything, have a nice day and see you in six months. I was devastated and frightened. I immediately drafted my will, wrote "in case" letters to my kids and decided to seek a second opinion. Curiously with Cleveland Clinic, I was told in November that a certain Dr. was "the best". I watched some of his videos, called to make an appointment, left a message. Much more detail which I won't go into here but NEVER any follow up from them at all and of course its now April. To your point though, my observation after study and many other appointments:
1) lose weight/stop eating fatty foods/sugar/alcohol and eat more "Mediterranean". 2) walk as often as you can only to the point where you feel comfortable and can carry on a conversation 3) try to avoid both longer strenuous exercise or ones that even short term put pressure on your heart/blood 4) monitor your blood pressure and do what is necessary to keep it 120/80 or below. 5) no smoking at all. In other words, do what is within your power to minimize your risk. Your doctor is not going to bless or sanction your whims because of liability--if they tell you it's ok to lift heavy weights and you do and suffer consequences, they are liable! So, do what you can, don't do what you feel you should not do and that's literally all you can do! Keep monitoring and enjoy life within the parameters you now live under and don't let anxiety or worry either contribute to the problem or ruin whatever time you have left.

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@andytheman

I’m surprised that all of you seem to have a “let it be” attitude. I recently had a cat scan for my artificial mechanical aortic heart valve and a 3cm aneurysm showed up in my abdomen by using contrast dye.

I was at one hospital ER for something unrelated when the usually normal CT scan came back revealing the aneurysm in my aortic artery near the celiac vessel.

The doctor came back to the exam room and said “we are going to have you transferred to a trauma hospital for emergency surgery”. I asked why and he said I had that confirmed aneurysm “but it has a tear in it” . I said ok and off I went.

When I was examined at the trauma hospital. Their cardiovascular surgeon said “you’re going to have to come back to the hospital but right now it isn’t bleeding so the team feels you’re stable enough to be discharged”. Then he said that I should see my own cardiovascular surgeon ASAP.

I made a phone call to my surgeon and asked to be seen as instructed by the trauma hospital’s ASAP instruction but he said All hospitals say ASAP and laughed.
I told him that I needed to see him soon. He said that tomorow would be fine but “you know we have an appointment in 2 months”

I said it’s important for me to see you sooner and the office made an appointment for me the next day. When I arrived there I was greeted by a smug secretary. “You need to wear a mask and pointed to a mask holder near the door.

I sat in the lobby by myself as nobody but me was there Finally his radiologist came to get me and he did a sonogram or cardiogram ( I’m not sure).
After he was done he showed me to an exam room. He started talking to me like I was bothering him and he was clearly annoyed with me and he took it lightly and was in a rush.

He said “I didn’t find anything
( but 2 other cardiovascular surgeons did??) as he was rushing out the door I said “could it burst?” He turned around and said as a matter of fact it could but we have ways of treating that” (when?) “while I lay on the grass after jogging?”
People would think that I’m having a heart attack when I wasn’t. A burst aneurysm is usually fatal isn’t it? Anyway he just said “it could” and was taking it lightly before he closed the door.

Staff person came to take me out of the exam room and pointed to the way out to the secretary (who was still rude).
He said “ see you next year!” I know he had to get back to seeing other patients who had appointments but he basicallly blew me off.

I knew it was only 3cm but it’s torn! Now. I’m thinking of getting another opinion. What should I do?

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Wow! I mean that is truly an insensitive Cardiologist. If that happened to me I would walk out the door and head back to the surgeon at the trauma center for a referral to someone who will take it seriously and is experienced with aortic aneurysms. I mean, for goodness sake it is a tear!

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I would need my PCP’s referral to go anywhere else and I’ll check my portal notes because I don't remember his name. I advised my PCP over a week ago and he hasn’t responded at all. Usually one of his nurses would contact me back but that hasn’t happened. He’s another doctor that works in a clinic and he’s a nice guy but he’s aloof too.

I have a regular cardiovascular doctor but he has 8 offices and it’s tough to get Al hold of.

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@liliodine48

My son died suddenly 1.5 years ago on his 50th birthday with ruptured aeortic dissection. He had untreated high BP because he didn’t “have time” to go to Dr. Take the medication! It’s a deadly condition and not much time once it ruptures😢

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Oh gosh, I'm so sorry. That's just awful. I don't know how you do it. My oldest brother died at 39 years old (unrelated to aneurysm) and my Mother was never the same again.

My Father died of a second AA, because he disliked the doctors so much that once he got cleared after his first surgery, he never went back for checkups. Ever. 15 years later, the second one got him. My plan is to be smarter.

So very sorry again for your loss

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Thank you, Bill, for your insights, extra time to respond and breathing recommendations to lower blood pressure🌺

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@ginnycake

Thank you Mermaid1. Your reply was wonderful. The ID bracelet idea and ct with contrast and echocardiogram sound like a good plan. I’m hoping to get my first one very soon as I only know I have ann aneurysm but no details ( hence more anxiety since I feel some pressure and burning in my neck and back…) and don’t have an appt with a cardiologist that deals with the aorta yet. Are you being followed at the Mayo Clinic? I live in Hawaii and if I don’t think the care ( based on fact we only have 1 million folks in the state and this isn’t all that common) is cutting edge or at least highest standard of care, I will be flying out to Minnesota. My husband’s family lives 30 miles from Rochester. Thank you again… ordering bracelets ( and maybe a necklace!) and asking for the CT scan and echocardiogram every 6 months… 🌺Much Aloha 🌺

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Luckily I am in a city with excellent medical and surgical care for aortic aneurysms and don't need to travel for care. It makes it easier for me to get checked every 6 months 😁.

A couple more things I remembered that you might find helpful.

My cardiac surgeon sent me for genetic testing to see if my aneurysm was inherited as it affects type of care and standard for when to do surgery.

You may want to keep up with the latest guidelines for care. There were new guidelines that came out last Fall that make 5cm the new recommendation for surgery. https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2022.10.001?_ga=2.203056277.584368302.1681477286-927612621.1681477286

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I have had a 4cm fusiform aneurysm of the ascending aorta for 5 years with no change.

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@madison1234

I have had a 4cm fusiform aneurysm of the ascending aorta for 5 years with no change.

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Thank you hoping my 4.2 will remain stable too🤗

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