How do You Deal with Dangerous Doctor, Abusive Provider? Tips?

Posted by rsfcowgirl @rsfcowgirl, Mar 6, 2023

Most medical professionals are the greatest people in the world bc they choose work that helps humanity. (Or animals) But sometimes people with serious problems qualify for Medical licenses. They have a different face towards their peers who they seek acceptance from than they often have to their patients behind closed doors when they don't truly value patients as people. I had the misfortune of just concluding a year with an abuser.
This doctor was an independent PCP + based in an office without oversight, which is not unusual. I'm a single Senior woman. I was stricken w COVID twice+ then signed in with him for treatment of many debilitating unresolved symptoms. He looked good on paper in terms of credentials. He had openings and I needed a PCP.
He had an initial interest in deciphering my symptoms. Blood panels were perfect. He ordered an MRI to rule out a stroke bc of what was PASC but which he didn't acknowledge. The imaging revealed a meningioma brain tumor. However, the local neurosurgeon and 2 Top Ten specials indicated it was benign but untreatable for various reasons, but with the good news was that it was asymptomatic + not the cause of my symptoms. Repeated MRI showed no changes. It is expected to never become a problem. I am simply on tumor watch.
I moved to N Carolina after a lifetime on the other side of the country, just months before COVID arrived. Prior, I had decades long warm+ wonderful relationships with my doctors, who honestly never were wrong. They were just that good. But I didn't have any serious problems to require ongoing care for anything other than a disc injury that I recovered from without surgery. So I expected to continue on my same course after moving.
This PCP has real Dark Triad + sadistic pathologies. He began a campaign of doom for me, rejecting all above neuro reports+ hammering his view that my life was going downhill without any form of help. He rejected any other diagnosis like Post COVID. He was verbally+ emotionally abusive unlike anyone ever spoke to me. When I brought in a wrong form he called me by phone and said my mistake "WAS UNACCEPTABLE!" in a tone like 'BAD DOG!" He often sat w his back to me+ never look at me during visits, after. He's a large man+ his contempt+ arrogance were palpable. I have trauma from previous crime. I gave him a LEO phone number to call at their request + he refused, blasting me for a " conspiracy theory" + mandated that I may never mention it again. It was horrible. I posted here Nov I wanted to change Drs. Never got to. This guy began harassment by not reordering my 1 medication I take for several symptoms which also suppresses potential seizures tho he got multiple requests. He let the Rx run out over Thanksgiving then approaching Xmas. He saw me the day before Christmas Eve. I had not a full dose of meds for days. I said to him - he wasnt treating me for anything, I had no care plan + why couldn't be just refill my Rx in time. I had an deep infection beginning on my sternum + my BP standing was dropping to 70/30, at home, which he never took standing, after he walked in exam room.
He became infuriated! Cold controlled rage + contempt. He said, "We're done here, right now. You'll get a letter." Punctuated w his forefinger tapping the table. Shocked but ill, I asked to be transferred to another of the 20 Drs in the building+ he said absolutely not, that he won't allow me to be seen there. He said with dripping contemptuous sarcasm "Good luck finding another Dr. " I then told him he failed as a Dr much more. He was 100% statue like + non responsive to everything. We had a below zero rare freeze alert pending that night then Xmas long holiday. He renewed Rx but pharmacy was out of stock. I went back+ did get some but I ended up having my first seizure as soon as I could get home. Without timely care for the bacterial infection, it spread fast. In days when services reopened I needed office surgery + now I've been told I need thoracic surgery under general anesthesia to complete the tx. Dr said had I been treated timely none of this would have developed Lost my (minor PT) job bc I couldnt work. Was on antibiotics for a month w side effects. Biggest ending: He excoriated me in his final medical records, creating false impressions and distorted content. A vile smear job. Just FYI, my career was as an RN Specialist at the very top internationally recognized hospitals. I never mentioned this to him until he terminated me with callous disregard for my welfare, since I'm retired. He never asked about me. But I confronted him as a dangerous doctor. He was totally stunned. But caught. Dr E is not typical. But it does happen. It happened to me. He intended to extend his abusive reach into my future healthcare via medical records. But I'm blocking them + silencing his evil voice.
This is surely an anomaly. But it does happen to innocent patients behind closed doors of licensed medical professionals who are of the Dark Triad personality disorder w sadistic enjoyments.
I got a much needed cardiology consult on my own w problems identity, + under tx. I connected w someone for Post COVID tx + it's helping
These are all basic txs I could've had a yr ago.
Chest surgery is hopefully going to be easy. The surgeon is highly respected + known to be kind.
That's my nightmare story.
Any support would be appreciated. I'm still shaken by this. But moving forward.

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@rmebrat

My Dr also ignored my SE blood test for 7 yrs. A day b4 my 58 th birthday I got another dr to get that test done. Talking on the phone with him yesterday. He says my CT scan. Without dye. Never showed my kidney or UTETER stones. Nor my belly button hernia. Have had it for a year. I had to call Cancer Care Manitoba for my results. So now all my problems have disappeared!!! WOW! REALLY??!!
If you Have MGUS WHAT TYPES OF TREATMENT OR MEDICATIONS ARE YOU USING. ALSO HAS ANYONE HAD INFECTIONS?Constant. Starts like a small pimple. But it comes from inside pushing it’s way to the surface. Scars. Had so many antibiotics I stopped taking them. No Drs have ever told me what infection I have. EVER! On trigger points,nerves,face,legs. Oh pain in the legs. Lord help me!! Ok Thanks so much. Will be back to read and reply T

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First of all it is difficult to hear there is more anxiety created by a sufferering patient with not much knowledge of understanding of what is going on. A trusted caregiver and conversation needs to be established to address one issue at a gimme to address your complaint, treat it , know what is wrong get you to your doc , connect in confidence, get hood support, no confidenc or mistakes; you need to get better. Get the right tests , doc get results , get along make sure it does not happen ; get a nice whole pic with no problems . Glad you shouted for help and know people care and maybe you need the right connection one step and a time. None the less, you hang in there (. Docs are good people. Boundaries are tuff do the part but trust is key and initial conversation

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@cherig92

First of all it is difficult to hear there is more anxiety created by a sufferering patient with not much knowledge of understanding of what is going on. A trusted caregiver and conversation needs to be established to address one issue at a gimme to address your complaint, treat it , know what is wrong get you to your doc , connect in confidence, get hood support, no confidenc or mistakes; you need to get better. Get the right tests , doc get results , get along make sure it does not happen ; get a nice whole pic with no problems . Glad you shouted for help and know people care and maybe you need the right connection one step and a time. None the less, you hang in there (. Docs are good people. Boundaries are tuff do the part but trust is key and initial conversation

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Thanks. I wrote the post as I was unpacking the experience under incredible distress. I am going to edit it and replace it with a simple summary.
Betrayal of trust is traumatic. No one expects it in the medical profession. I certainly didn't.
I have a new treatment team+ am getting good recovery. I had core problems identified + treatment is going well. I have yet to address the Dr in a response to be incorporated into my medical records, but I will in the near future.
What you described is the exact process a functional provider should follow. This man was not a functional provider. Not interpersonally and not fully medically. But he was board certified and looked presentable enough. I still don't have trust rebuilt right now- but I am wiser for this. I'm planning on creating policies + perhaps getting legislation for patients rights and advocacy in my state. I've taken steps in that direction.
Thanks for responding. Hope all your medical care goes well.

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@rsfcowgirl

@dbeshears1 Debbie, this was in Medscape+ WSJ today. Hospitals are installing 'black boxes' in Operating Rooms. You were ahead of the curve!

"In an effort to improve performance, 24 hospitals in the U.S., Canada, and Europe are using the what's called the OR Black Box to gather detailed information about what goes on in operating rooms (ORs), the Wall Street Journalopens in a new tab or window reported.

Like the black box on an airplane, this system collects information that can be reviewed later, including video, audio, patient vital signs, and other data from devices in the room. The data can then be used to reduce errors, improve patient safety, and make OR processes more efficient. It also allows hospitals to try to figure out how an operation went wrong if there was an error.

Some OR staff were initially skeptical of a technology that they worried could be used against them, but the chief quality officer at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center told the Wall Street Journal that after staff were reassured about the data that would be collected and used, "it quickly became an accepted part of the hospital's culture."

Device maker Surgical Safety Technologies said the system blurs out faces to de-identify patients and personnel.

UT Southwestern Medical Center is using the system to understand what practices high-performing operating teams use. Duke University Hospital is using their black boxes to improve patient positioning and improve skin and nerve injuries. It's not yet clear whether or not the technology could be used in medical malpractice litigation."

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I honestly think it's a great idea. It never has to be listened to unless something were to go wrong or a patient or to die. And then and shouldn't the hospital want to get to the bottom of what happened? I think it's a perfectly legitimate idea, and I'm glad they're doing this. Thank you for the information

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Hi, all.
I think @rsfcowgirl had some great ideas for setting a good tone for a doctor visit.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/829021/
I had a bad experience when my doctor wouldn’t agree to an MRI. This really delayed my diagnosis and treatment. Several months later, when i was better, I had an appointment with her. I took a small plant as a ‘peace offering’. Since then, everything has been great between us.
What positive thoughts or experiences have you had?

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@rsfcowgirl

Thanks. I wrote the post as I was unpacking the experience under incredible distress. I am going to edit it and replace it with a simple summary.
Betrayal of trust is traumatic. No one expects it in the medical profession. I certainly didn't.
I have a new treatment team+ am getting good recovery. I had core problems identified + treatment is going well. I have yet to address the Dr in a response to be incorporated into my medical records, but I will in the near future.
What you described is the exact process a functional provider should follow. This man was not a functional provider. Not interpersonally and not fully medically. But he was board certified and looked presentable enough. I still don't have trust rebuilt right now- but I am wiser for this. I'm planning on creating policies + perhaps getting legislation for patients rights and advocacy in my state. I've taken steps in that direction.
Thanks for responding. Hope all your medical care goes well.

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It is always great to heat success and follow up ; which takes time . Mistakes or hurt on purpose ; really is a bad reflection . Thank God for a move forward and brave team members.

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@becsbuddy

Hi, all.
I think @rsfcowgirl had some great ideas for setting a good tone for a doctor visit.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/829021/
I had a bad experience when my doctor wouldn’t agree to an MRI. This really delayed my diagnosis and treatment. Several months later, when i was better, I had an appointment with her. I took a small plant as a ‘peace offering’. Since then, everything has been great between us.
What positive thoughts or experiences have you had?

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I unfortunately have had sooo many doctors since I’ve moved several times, and can honestly say it’s been extremely rare for me to have a bad experience given the number of encounters I’ve had, so the statistics are very good. I take advantage of feedback systems, and that means GOOD feedback! I know it’s human nature to only take time to report bad experiences, but I flatter tremendously with the feedback I give to the great interactions I’ve had, and I’ve had some exceptional doctors!

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Are there threads that discuss abuses by doctors?

I would like to discuss these difficulties and learn what people are doing to resolve these abuses. Seems like every doctor and every dentist I turn to has horrible office staff and a variety of abusive behaviors. By staff and sometimes by the doctors themselves.

It has been a very very difficult journey.

Thank you for listening.

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@samcal9977zz

Are there threads that discuss abuses by doctors?

I would like to discuss these difficulties and learn what people are doing to resolve these abuses. Seems like every doctor and every dentist I turn to has horrible office staff and a variety of abusive behaviors. By staff and sometimes by the doctors themselves.

It has been a very very difficult journey.

Thank you for listening.

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Sam, You may wish to review this discussion that includes strategies:

- How do You Deal with Dangerous Doctor, Abusive Provider? Tips?
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/dangerous-doctors-abusive-providers/

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@colleenyoung

Sam, You may wish to review this discussion that includes strategies:

- How do You Deal with Dangerous Doctor, Abusive Provider? Tips?
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/dangerous-doctors-abusive-providers/

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Thanks for responding. I will check out the thread. Much appreciated.

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@andytheman

I went to an ER for something unrelated to the issue they found during a routine CT scan. They found an aortic aneurysm with a tear in it so they told me I was being transferred to a trauma hospital for emergency surgery.

Once I got to this trauma hospital they checked and confirmed what the other hospital found. But he said that I would need to go back to the hospital for surgery however it wasn’t bleeding so he said that he felt I was stable enough to discharge me and to contact my cardiovascular surgeon.

I made the appointment for the next day as the hospital had said to see him ASAP.
He was immediately annoyed that I made an appointment with him.
I was due for my annual checkup the following two weeks.

He downplayed the whole encounter and said I had nothing to worry about. The echocardiogram confirmed the aneurysm with the tear but he didn’t tell me the size and I forgot to ask him..

He abruptly said “see you in a year “ and walked out. Before he left I asked him if it could burst ( mostly a quick fatal occurrence). And he nonchalantly said “it could but we have ways to treat that” Hospitals always say ASAP, don’t worry “

No there isn’t. You don’t know it unless it burst and then it’s an emergency where you could bleed to death. He actually laughed and said it wasn’t a big deal!

Maybe it was small and didn’t need surgery right away but knowing how small or big would have given me a benchmark to monitor by.
He rushed the appointment as he had other patients waiting for him and I was interrupting him.

Two different hospital cardiovascular surgeons said I needed surgery but my doctor made light of it and told me to see him the following year.

What a jerk he was. Made me feel like I was being a baby and I shouldn’t have been there. The receptionist was not a happy camper either and rushed me out. I’m thinking of getting another opinion as I don’t trust this guy but I’m reluctant to do so. Any clue?

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His response sounds like medical malpractice. I definitely would get a second opinion.

US News and World Report has lists of the top ranked hospitals, by condition.

you can just Google: "US News and World Report + Best Hospitals for Cardiology, Heart & Vascular Surgery"

the link should come up.

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