Discontinuing MAC antibiotics

Posted by Melissa Nelson @melissa08, Aug 6, 2022

For those who have been on the horrible 3 MAC drugs plus Amikacin/Arikayce and terminated usage, was it done cold turkey or did you get off them gradually in the way they were introduced?
Asking on behalf of my husband Bruce who is lobbying his ID/Pulmonologist to either suspend the drugs so he can get out from under the side effects for a bit, or end them completely.
On the up side he has had 7 negative cultures and is no longer producing sputum.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
Melissa

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@helenrivera

I agree. Right now I am on the Big 3 with Ariykace. I also take other meds and not once have my MDs expressed how I should take them. Does anyone have any suggestions as I am struggling with SOB, which has gotten worse, weight loss and extreme fatigue. Not sure how much longer I can continue the daily 3 as my body is showing the affects and my poor hubby is not sure if he agrees as I am seriously thinking of discontinuing my meds.. Please any advise on how I should takes the big 3 to make it easier.......

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Wow - Big guns! Helen, if I were in your place, I would really press the doctor to "back off" the 3 antibiotics to 3 times a week and see if you feel a little better. I think some of doctors really don't understand how awful the daily therapy is - for me it was FAR worse than every other day. Another option, which my ID doc let me do once, was a 2 week "antibiotic vacation" - it helped some as well.

Do you feel like your doc would be willing to do a CT to see if your lungs are improving, then consider adjustments? If you don't feel they listen to you, would you consider being seen at Mayo, NJH, or another lung specialty center?
Sue

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Thank you Sue for responding and yes very rough. I so believe my doctors don't understand how bad these make some of us feel. I had a sputum culture done 2x and waiting on result s which can take up to 6weeks. I am praying there negative. I have asked for a break or too go 3× week and my ID doctor discouraged as my cavity was too large and all over the place. I am trying to wait for the 2 different sputums as her pointed out I have only been on the meds 2 months. I expressed since starting I am way worse now than before starting. I started looking up appts at mayo but everything is so far not sure what other lung centers out there and can you please suggest ideas on how to change the way I take the 3 meds and Ariykace as everything I have read is when they 1st started meds, what about 2 months in? I currently take them in the morning and the rifampin and Ariykace in the evening before bed. Should I try taking all at night? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thank you.

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@sueinmn

If you have done some reading here, you may have seen reference by others to how hard it can be to get good care for MAC & Bronchiectasis. I don't know about you, but I had never heard of either one before my diagnosis, even though I had been around people with lung issues my whole life. Both are considered "rare" conditions, affecting less than 1% of the population, so doctors may go through their whole career seeing very few cases. My pulmonologist had a pretty long history of treating MAC, but I learned he was NOT a team player, and was not open to questions, new or additional treatments, or cooperating with other doctors. He "fired" me when I consulted an ID doc in his clinic who had opinions different to his!

We on Mayo Connect always like to say you need to become your own best advocate to get the best possible care. If you are not getting much info from your team, you may want to ask what can feel like delicate questions:
How much experience do you personally have treating MAC?
How many cases have you treated in the past year? 5 years?
Have you had specific training/workshops in treating MAC?

Another hint would be if they have started you on a daily airway clearance routine, which is a big part of getting & staying healthy. If they don't deal frequently with MAC and Bronchiectasis, you may want to ask their help in finding someone who does.

Are you comfortable asking questions of your care team? Trust me, you are not a wuss - this is a tough treatment to get through.
Sue

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Sue, thank you and WOW! I made a huge assumption (and mistake?) that the ID Doc I was being referred to by the Pulmonologist was a specialist in MAC. I never even asked if he was! Also - no- there has been no discussion of a daily airway clearance routine or any other treatment beyond these three antibiotics. Again, if I don't know to ask, information has not been offered.

I did call today and said I needed to talk about other options - hope to talk to a human being at some point. In the meantime, I have taken myself off this approach. I expect I will feel much better in 24 hours. I have a lot to learn here! Thank you for helping to educate me. Pat

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My 1st culture just in and negative. Praying my 2nd one submitted is also negative.

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@helenrivera

My 1st culture just in and negative. Praying my 2nd one submitted is also negative.

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That will give you "ammunition" for push to go to 3X week, and maybe cut back Arikayce?

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@pjgottman

Sue, thank you and WOW! I made a huge assumption (and mistake?) that the ID Doc I was being referred to by the Pulmonologist was a specialist in MAC. I never even asked if he was! Also - no- there has been no discussion of a daily airway clearance routine or any other treatment beyond these three antibiotics. Again, if I don't know to ask, information has not been offered.

I did call today and said I needed to talk about other options - hope to talk to a human being at some point. In the meantime, I have taken myself off this approach. I expect I will feel much better in 24 hours. I have a lot to learn here! Thank you for helping to educate me. Pat

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Another question - did they explain that you need to be conscious of changes in vision or hearing? Was you baseline hearing tested before you started?
Doing so would indicate some level of familiarity with this regimen.
Sue

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@pjgottman

Brand new to Pulmonary MAC - started the three antibiotics regime in early-August. Taken off after 8 days because of very bad back and leg pain. Started feeling better immediately. Restarted same meds two weeks later - day 6 with the same results as the first try. The meds seem worse than the MAC. I cannot imagine 18 months of this!
Do they get easier to take over time? Are there alternative treatments? Am I just being a wuss? This is no quality of life ... any advice? Thank you.

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Have always heard about digestive issues on the antibiotics. This was the first I heard of leg & back pain. My leg pain has gotten worse since on the antibiotics. Quests I need to ask about that. Thanks for sharing

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Update since my initial post. My husband Bruce took a break from the 3 MAC antibiotics and Arikayce, four weeks ago. He had taken all of them daily for close to a year due to severe and deep cavitary MAC.
The break has been beneficial. His appetite has come back, GI issues are gone, brain fog has lifted somewhat, and he is gaining weight. Five pounds regained from 25-30 lost since last November.
He is continuing to nebulize Albuterol and 7% saline.
Shortness of breath is still debilitating. Bruce’s MAC team is working on getting him supplemental oxygen.
IF, big IF, he goes back on the drugs his ID/Pulmonologist will not include Azithromycin since she strongly suspects it triggered the GI and weight loss issues. It also flunked Bruce’s last round of drug sensitivity testing.
Dr. also wants to switch out Arikayce for nebulized Amikaycin. The liposome suspension used for Arikayce is a trigger for SOB.
We will confer with Bruce’s doctor following his next CT at the end of the month and after another lung function test scheduled in December.
8 cultures to date, with a 9th percolating, have been MAC clear.
Keeping our fingers crossed that he can take the nebulizing route @sueinmn has followed perhaps with the addition of oxygen to reduce the SOB issues.
We wouldn’t have known to advocate for the drug break without the knowledge gained from this discussion group.
You’re a phenomenal bunch. ❤️
Melissa

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@helenrivera

Thank you Sue for responding and yes very rough. I so believe my doctors don't understand how bad these make some of us feel. I had a sputum culture done 2x and waiting on result s which can take up to 6weeks. I am praying there negative. I have asked for a break or too go 3× week and my ID doctor discouraged as my cavity was too large and all over the place. I am trying to wait for the 2 different sputums as her pointed out I have only been on the meds 2 months. I expressed since starting I am way worse now than before starting. I started looking up appts at mayo but everything is so far not sure what other lung centers out there and can you please suggest ideas on how to change the way I take the 3 meds and Ariykace as everything I have read is when they 1st started meds, what about 2 months in? I currently take them in the morning and the rifampin and Ariykace in the evening before bed. Should I try taking all at night? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thank you.

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I gave 3 sputum samples and waited for a month to find that one sample came back with MAI. My pulmonologist started me on the antibiotic blitz well before we submitted the samples. Lucky.

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@sueinmn

Another question - did they explain that you need to be conscious of changes in vision or hearing? Was you baseline hearing tested before you started?
Doing so would indicate some level of familiarity with this regimen.
Sue

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They did. Checked liver levels; did both a baseline hearing and vision exam. I sense they are familiar with the disease; I also sense their ability to work with me to arrive at an acceptable treatment plan is dictated by a heavy patient load and a "trial and error" mentality. In deciding to discontinue this regimen on Tuesday, I called and have yet to hear back from them. (Already feeling better!) Have my first support-group meeting on the 17th and will seek advice locally about whether a change in ID doctors is even possible. Pray for me! And thank you for your responses!

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