Lipo-Flavonoid for ringing in ears
Hello, I'm new hear, but am on some of the other groups. I have had this ringing in my ears for several weeks, sort of like crickets,.. Someone in one of the groups said they took lipo Flavonoid for this and It helped. them..I that time I didn't need it.., Has anyone here ever tried it and if so did it help.. What have you tried that helped.??
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Tinnitus in research studies right now comes from a number of different parts of your brain. It represents damage to your brain. You can not correct or cure this "phantom noise" with anything that is found on the market. The origin of your noise in the head likely comes from the limbic portion of your brain and can intensify when you think about it because this part of the brain controls your emotions and other subjective activities. Damaged hair cells in your cochlear/auditory nerve system are not able to connect correctly with the brain interpretation for sound and this becomes the noise in your ears or head. With you brain constantly working and your ears constantly hearing...there is NO off switch to both systems, so you can tell either of them to turn off the noise. Scientists are looking at the areas of damage to figure out how to turn off the spigot somewhere in the brain where the source is coming from. They have not been able to find where the various places are located since there are more than one locations.
In the mean time, we as tinnitus sufferers, must understand what precipitated our first encounter with it. How did it start. Hearing loss? Head injury? Ototoxic medications? Middle ear tumor? Infections? War injuries?
Next: Have we seen a Medical doctor/Audiologist/ENT about this medical condition? Have we identified all of the various symptoms that could or may be associated with this condition? [Vestibular - inner ear/brain location such as vertigo, dizziness, falls, hyperacusis, headaches, Menieres disease, and others]
Testing: Were any tests conducted regarding your hearing, brain, equilibrium? Besides your basic well being...
What recommendations were given you? OTC samples or magazine promos are NOT regulated or approved for tinnitus. Hearing aids with masking programs work, Sound devices that mask the noise also help, Biofeedback to train the brain to hear white, brown, pink or other color - toned noises allow the tinnitus wearer to listen to sounds that over ride their own screeches. There is a dedicated American Tinnitus website I recommend that you should start with: https://www.ata.org/understanding-facts and then check out the Institutes https://medlineplus.gov/tinnitus.html and https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/14164-tinnitus where Research is constantly taking place. https://hearinghealthfoundation.org/what-is-tinnitus
Check these all out and I am sure you will have ample information to help you. My tinnitus started in 1990s with ototoxic meds to save my life. I will have this until I die. I manage the two tones with my Starky AI Evolv hearing aids which does a marvelous job of masking them. Any questions - let me know Eloise
I have sent this to tinnitus researchers with no indication of interest. Maybe those suffering will have to take it upon themselves to find a solution. Here's one starting point.
Dear researcher: Perhaps, you may be interested in following up on this lead or know of someone who may be. The fancy research may be fine for understanding tinnitus but there is no remedy now. I have found chocolate causes my tinnitus and suspect olives may also. If I were willing to allow my vitamin D level to go to zero, I might have cured my tinnitus with my present diet! I want no part of masking and distraction; I want to listen to it because most of the time it is not there.
I would like to know what other foods I should avoid but progress is slow. I am willing to share my experiences with anyone willing to pursue this approach. Perhaps it only relates to me but maybe it could affect anyone with mild ear inflammation. It's something to offer sufferers.
Below is an account I posted on Tinnitus Talk a while ago:
I have had tinnitus as long as I can remember and have adapted to it. It spans a loudness range with very few low periods. My doctor felt that my blood level of vitamin D was very low(22ng/ml) and prescribed a 50,000 IU capsule to be taken monthly. I took one at dinner and regretted it the following morning. My tinnitus was beyond my normal threshold. My fear was, could I learn to live with this louder level, if it was permanent. The fat-soluble vitamin D had built up in whatever tissue responsible for my tinnitus. A similar occurrence had happened once before in my life so I could only hope that in time my body would remove the excess vitamin D. And that is what happened, but it took almost a month.
After enjoying a few days of low tinnitus, I took a 60 IU vitamin D tablet and was back in the high range for about 5 days. I next exposed myself to about 20 minutes of late August sunlight, hoping the Vitamin D formed would stay in the fat under my skin. No such luck, another week of tinnitus cleansing. Must I choose between a healthy vitamin D blood level or tinnitus? If only there were a form of vitamin D that was water soluble and goes directly into the blood. Well, I found that there are two such forms: micro encapsulation and micellular. I am familiar with the latter technology so choose to experiment with that.
I purchased online, Biosetin Labs micellized aquas vitamin D3, 1200 IU per drop. A research paper using this form stated that 15% of the vitamin D goes into the fat tissue. I used one drop in about an ounce of water. In time, a pattern emerged. Taken at dinner, two days of tinnitus follow, then my tinnitus almost disappears. After 5 days, a blood test revealed my vitamin D level at 44ng/ml. (Healthy range: 30-100ng/ml). Not a bad deal: 2 days of tinnitus, 3 days tiny residual tinnitus in left ear only. This pattern does not occur every time. Sometimes the "no tinnitus" days do not show up. I attribute this to foods which may naturally contain vitamin D ( e.g. mushrooms), foods spiked with vitamin D ( e.g. almond milk ), or exposure to sunlight. It would be reasonable to expect some other fat-soluble organics to cause tinnitus. However, with my two experiences now, tinnitus has increased only with repeated ingestion, perhaps exceeding a threshold level value.
This is my personal account. I also have mild ankylosing- spondylosis ( AS) and migraines. I asked if others in a AS Facebook group had headaches and got only a few responses, due to fusing of neck vertebrae. When I asked if anyone had tinnitus, there were a large number of positive responses. Perhaps, there are others who react the same as me. Might someone whose tinnitus was brought on by loud noise have his inner ear or brain pathway inflamed so to lower his threshold to vitamin D or some other biochemical? I feel that this is a question worthy of an answer. Right now, there is nothing to offer to reduce tinnitus loudness. Might some possibly be helped by trying water soluble vitamin D?
Funny you should ask. See below.
Thank you for your concern and suggestions.
My tinnitus started with a virus in my inner ear that gave me a bout of vertigo. I recovered and the high pitched radio signal type noise started. Nothing has ever worked to rid me of it nor can any ENT or other Dr tell me what causes it. I do have cardiac issues (electrical) and wear a pace maker. I take cardio meds. What I need to know is whether the LipoFlavonaid has any side affects or contraindications for with meds. There does not seem to be any research on that or with the bottle of tablets. I am waiting to take any until I can find out more about the non vitamin ingredients in the product. Of course I would drink nails if it got rid of my high pitched ear noise but can't afford to create another problem. Any one else out there on this product and on heart meds and Eliquis?
I appreciate any comments you may have.
Nurseheakes could not have said it any better. There is no cure you are the cure. You can retrain your brain with white, pink or lavender noise, hearing aids if needed or cognitive behavioral therapy. Lipos do nothing and take a very long time to promote some blood flow. How do I know? I live 15 years with four noises and waking up is more important, kissing my wife, petting my 17 year old chiwawa. You can learn to retrain your brain. I am a 15 year American tinnitus Association peer to peer volunteer who helps people like you. I can be reached at (tvtinnitus@gmail.com) You are not alone....
@brigid4 Have you had this discussion with your cardiologist? Memorial Sloan Kettering website offers a nice listing of interactions between drugs and complementary therapies. It can be difficult to find accurate information online so using trusted sites like theirs is helpful. Theirs seems to be the most complete comparing to Mayo, Johns Hopkins, and Harvard Medical which I look at frequently. I also had my list of supplements assessed by pharmacists at Mayo clinic as my Mayo oncologist requested it. That was very informative. Many doctors are not well versed on complementary therapies because they often do not have acceptable studies to provdide accurate information. Good luck and talk to your cardiologist.
Thanks for sharing. Have recently changed cardiologists and will mention this at next appt. Most specialists however are so "special" they will not comment on anything outside of their specialty. Not been able to get any specialists to understand how very debilitating it can be when you have constant tinnitus. No one looks at the "whole person" anymore. I guess we have lawyers to thank for all the malpractice suits that make a doctor reluctant to step out of their "specialty".
I am sorry for all of your individual stories and attempts to control the nasty noises in your heads. While our diets, medications and our environments may or may not have a direct or indirect affect on our brain, hence the injured brains attempt to control or minimize the noise has so many factors that may not be in our control. For centuries, humans have been attempting to understand, treat and abate this misunderstood phenomena. Now the researchers have found where the injury is possibly located, that this is a phantom injury to the brain, from a number of causes be it from medication overdose, loud noises, shock waves, constant high pitches, and other sources that injure sensitive areas of the brain. While this is a great step in the discovery process, preventing or even stopping the injury from advancing has not been discovered or even found yet. The brain is too complex of an organ to source out the many fingers that touch this part of the limbic area of the brain. There are not enough dollars directed to this research so we are left in the dark as those who are studying this steadily adding to the knowledge that has only just begun recently. All of us can do our own studies to see what works in our lives since we all have our own knowledge of what helps us and what does not. My tinnitus is different from yours. I have had it since a surgery gone wrong and I needed to have 5 antibiotics to save me. Ototoxicity gave me permanent tinnitus which will never go away until I die. That was in 1989. I have gotten use to it and use any number of tools to help me with it over the years. That is what you all need to do. Use a diary always to chart out your way like I do my Blood Sugars and migraines. My doctors rely on them to better take care of me. Remember - you are 50% of your care and your physician is the other 50% of your care. It is a contract. No matter who they are. It works with any kind of care. We are in partnership and they appreciate this. Do It!
When I had the bout with really bad vertigo from what they said was an inner ear infection, they put me on a drug called Cyclor. It is no longer on the market. I had a bad reaction to it immediately. Face turned red, swelling mouth and neck and face. They said it was an antibiotic. But maybe it was a trigger as my tinnitus started just after that event. So, I can understand how Ototoxicity could happen. I am not allergic to any other medicine that I know of. My ears also itch a lot but doc says they are not infected and the tinnitus has never gone away completely. They also say my hearing is normal. So I guess I have adapted to hear over the other noise. I appreciate hearing from others so at least I know I am not crazy. That the noise is real to me even though no one else can hear it.