(MAC/MAI) Mycobacterium Avium Complex Pulmonary Disease: Join us

Posted by Katherine, Alumni Mentor @katemn, Nov 21, 2011

I am new to Mayo online .. I was hoping to find others with .. MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) and/or BRONCHIECTASIS. I found only 1 thread on mycobacterium accidently under the catagory "Lungs". I'm hoping by starting a subject matter directly related to MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) I may find others out there!

I was diagnosed by a sputum culture August 2007 (but the culture result was accidentally misfiled until 2008!) with MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) and BRONCHIECTASIS. I am now on 5 antibiotics. Working with Dr. Timothy Aksamit at Rochester Mayo Clinic .. he is a saint to have put up with me this long! I was terrified of the treatment . started the first antibiotic September 3, 2011 ... am now on all 5 antibiotics for 18 mos to 2 years. Am delighted at the very bearable side effects!

I wrote on the 1 thread I found: If you google NON-TUBERCULOUS MYCOBACTERIUM AVIUM COMPLEX PULMONARY DISEASE (MAC/MAI) you will learn a LOT about the disease. But PLEASE do NOT get scared about all the things you read .. that is what I did and nearly refused to do the treatment until after a 2nd Micomacterium was discovered! Educate yourself for "due diligence" .. but take it all with a grain of salt .. you are NOT necessarily going to have all the terrible side effects of the antibiotics! Good luck to you!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
January 2017 Update

One of our great Connect Members .. @Paula_MAC2007  .. had a wonderfully helpful idea that I wanted to share! Her idea .. as you read through the pages to gather information on our shared disease of MAC you can develop a personal "file cabinet" for future reference without the necessity of reading all the pages again!

If you have the "MS Word" program on your computer:
- Document Title Example:  Mayo Clinic Connect MAI/MAC Information
- Then develop different categories that make sense to you such as:  Heath Aids .. Videos .. Healthy Living .. Positive Thinking .. Baseline Testing and Regular Testing .. Antibiotics ..
Tips for
- As you read the pages .. copy/paste/save things of interest into that MS Word document under your preferred categories for future reference.

Then as you want to refer back to something in the future .. YEAH!  You have now created your own personal "file cabinet" on MAC/MAI!  Go to it!

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the MAC & Bronchiectasis Support Group.

Hi at @anniepie thank you so much for that, I went to my specialist yesterday and he said the same as you, you smart cookie, I had the Halter on for 24 hours and he said my QT went from 460 to 493 so it is ok and I can stay on the meds, yay. Thanks for telling me about the low potassium, I will keep an eye on that, it must have been scary going over the 500 delay mark, Hope you are doing ok. Heather

REPLY
@heathert

Hi at @anniepie thank you so much for that, I went to my specialist yesterday and he said the same as you, you smart cookie, I had the Halter on for 24 hours and he said my QT went from 460 to 493 so it is ok and I can stay on the meds, yay. Thanks for telling me about the low potassium, I will keep an eye on that, it must have been scary going over the 500 delay mark, Hope you are doing ok. Heather

Jump to this post

Hi @heathert -- what meds are you on now?
I hope the long QT settles for you (and me). 493 is getting up there a bit. I hope it goes down for you soon. I had a halter for 24 hours too -- what fun.... not.
My GP (main doctor) does the ECG for me every 2 weeks while I'm back on the big 3, at a lower dose than before.
(Do you call them GPs in NZ?)
Maybe you could get your ECG done at a GP once a month to keep an eye on things?
The Cardiologist put me on a low dose of potassium slow release tablets to reduce the chances of potassium going down again -- so that's a help.
You've got a new ID picture I think -- is your hair lighter now? (You look great, dammit!). I refuse to use a photo until I look better, laugh.
Annie x

REPLY
@anniepie

Hi Terri - sorry it has taken a long time to reply.

Yes many of the meds used for NTMs can potentially cause heart side effects that usually get better after the drug has been ceased and leaves your system. BUT for people who are afraid of the meds - please understand that this is a RARE side effect. You are NOT likely to get it. Just have an ECG (EKG) from time to time to check on it.

When it does occur it is usually not too severe for people. For example, it usually only causes elongations of the QT wave up to 30 milliseconds of delay (up to around 470 or 475 ms).

It really only becomes a serious risk when it reaches 500 milliseconds of delay or longer -- which is what happened to me. But I also developed hypokalemia (very low potassium). That's also a rare side effect -- the NTM meds can do this by causing people to urinate out more potassium than normal.

I've been on these awful, stupid meds for 2.5 years now but just received new results -- unfortunately I still have the MAI.

At the start, I was a bit of an optimist and thought for sure I'd be in the 70% to 80% of people who seroconvert and get rid of MAC/MAI....but, as it turns out, I'm in the small treatment failure group instead.

I will be put on Aricayce when it and the special nebuliser is sent to my doctor in Australia from the USA. It's not approved or available yet in Australia. (But with everything going on in the U.S., this could be quite some time. My heart really goes out to everyone in the US right now. I pray for you every day).

Some of you have had good results from Aricayce -- I really hope the same happens for me.

Good luck to everyone, Annie @anniepie

Jump to this post

Hi Annie. Thank you for the well wishes as covid is ravaging some of our states. I am praying that your arikayce and nebulizer arrive soon. Thank you for posting that the Long QT is rare so that people don't shy away from treatment. Has your heart settled down yet? Hugs - Terri

REPLY
@anniepie

Hi @heathert -- what meds are you on now?
I hope the long QT settles for you (and me). 493 is getting up there a bit. I hope it goes down for you soon. I had a halter for 24 hours too -- what fun.... not.
My GP (main doctor) does the ECG for me every 2 weeks while I'm back on the big 3, at a lower dose than before.
(Do you call them GPs in NZ?)
Maybe you could get your ECG done at a GP once a month to keep an eye on things?
The Cardiologist put me on a low dose of potassium slow release tablets to reduce the chances of potassium going down again -- so that's a help.
You've got a new ID picture I think -- is your hair lighter now? (You look great, dammit!). I refuse to use a photo until I look better, laugh.
Annie x

Jump to this post

@anniepie I am on azithromycin, rifampicin and ethambutol again. I will do the monthly ECG like you say and also eat more potassium, great ideas, I have bought some bananas, I dont think I have much potassium either. yes my hair is a bit lighter. Looking forward to seeing your new profile pic! Take care Heather

REPLY
@heathert

@anniepie I am on azithromycin, rifampicin and ethambutol again. I will do the monthly ECG like you say and also eat more potassium, great ideas, I have bought some bananas, I dont think I have much potassium either. yes my hair is a bit lighter. Looking forward to seeing your new profile pic! Take care Heather

Jump to this post

@heathert It is likely that Azithromycin is the cause of your prolonged QT see page 38/58 of this pdf from Dr Huitt at NJH.
https://www.nationaljewish.org/NJH/media/ProEd/NTM%20Provider%202019/Huitt-Drug-Side-Effects.pdf Have you had a Susceptibility test on your sputum that shows what antibiotics are best to use for you?

REPLY

@poodledoc thank you for that, I will have a look. My dr said the same thing the azithromycin is causing it, he said that if it goes over 500 then he would look at taking me off it , I will have regular ECGs, My pulm dr really wanted me to stay on the big 3 as my bugs were suseptable to them, now it is a waiting game. Take care Heather

REPLY
@windwalker

Hi Annie. Thank you for the well wishes as covid is ravaging some of our states. I am praying that your arikayce and nebulizer arrive soon. Thank you for posting that the Long QT is rare so that people don't shy away from treatment. Has your heart settled down yet? Hugs - Terri

Jump to this post

Hi again Terri @windwalker Thanks for asking -- today I think the heart's okayish. But the long QT goes up and down and sometimes quite quickly over a few days. I stopped all meds for 4 weeks -- it was great! Now I'm back on them but on a much reduced dose. The meds still cause changes in QT and I have to watch it.
I hope your SVT is behaving itself -- do you get tachycardia with it often ?
Yes the long QT over 500 ms is very rare really for people on the NTM meds, so nobody should worry much about it.
Just looks like Heather and me have to be more careful. (She's the one with the good looks, laugh).
Like many people I was glad to see the end of 2020 and hoped Covid around the world would go away quickly in 2021 -- but not so fast, it seems. Please keep safe Terri -- and everyone else on this group.
Hugs to you too Terri

REPLY
@poodledoc

@heathert It is likely that Azithromycin is the cause of your prolonged QT see page 38/58 of this pdf from Dr Huitt at NJH.
https://www.nationaljewish.org/NJH/media/ProEd/NTM%20Provider%202019/Huitt-Drug-Side-Effects.pdf Have you had a Susceptibility test on your sputum that shows what antibiotics are best to use for you?

Jump to this post

You're right @poodledoc. The Azithromycin is a known culprit for the few people on it longterm who develop higher millisecond rates of Long QT. It's an hERG blocker and tends to make people urinate out more potassium than normal.
(Does the name Poodledoc mean you are a veterinarian -- or do you just love dogs, like me?).
In Australia, the standard susceptibility testing they do is not fancy -- it usually first off just tests for susceptibility to Clarithromycin. Only if that's not susceptible then they try susceptibility to other meds. But I don't know about New Zealand where Heather is.
Annie

REPLY
@heathert

@poodledoc thank you for that, I will have a look. My dr said the same thing the azithromycin is causing it, he said that if it goes over 500 then he would look at taking me off it , I will have regular ECGs, My pulm dr really wanted me to stay on the big 3 as my bugs were suseptable to them, now it is a waiting game. Take care Heather

Jump to this post

Oh no, back on the NTM meds! I really hoped the Arikayce would clear you up for longer. But I guess it's all just 'pot-luck' really, as we say in Australia.
Are you on them every day again?
I've been put back on the drugs at 3 days per week instead of every day. I'm not on Rifampicin because it caused havoc for me for a year and interacts with too many other meds I need to take.
I'm on Clofazimine instead, with Ethambutol and only half a tablet of Azithromycin -- 250mg. Unfortunately both Clofazimine and Azithromycin have been known to cause Long QT, so it's a bit of a double-whammy for me.
My Cardiologist says it's inevitable that I will get risky Long QT intervals again while on these 2 meds -- but there's not much choice really. Just have to watch it, and stop the meds again when it happens.
Yes please keep an eye on it with monthly ECGs, Heather.
We really ARE in this together
Hugs from Annie

REPLY
@anniepie

Oh no, back on the NTM meds! I really hoped the Arikayce would clear you up for longer. But I guess it's all just 'pot-luck' really, as we say in Australia.
Are you on them every day again?
I've been put back on the drugs at 3 days per week instead of every day. I'm not on Rifampicin because it caused havoc for me for a year and interacts with too many other meds I need to take.
I'm on Clofazimine instead, with Ethambutol and only half a tablet of Azithromycin -- 250mg. Unfortunately both Clofazimine and Azithromycin have been known to cause Long QT, so it's a bit of a double-whammy for me.
My Cardiologist says it's inevitable that I will get risky Long QT intervals again while on these 2 meds -- but there's not much choice really. Just have to watch it, and stop the meds again when it happens.
Yes please keep an eye on it with monthly ECGs, Heather.
We really ARE in this together
Hugs from Annie

Jump to this post

Hi @anniepie, my Dr says that Arikayce is good to clear mac up for a while but like the other meds it often returns, unfortunatly. Yes I am on the big 3 daily, but apart from the QT interval its going well, I will keep an eye on my ECG like you. I hope your pills are not causing trouble. We are not far from each other,what part of Aussie are you in, hope aussie covid is improvng. We are in this together, which helps alot. Take care Heather

REPLY
Please sign in or register to post a reply.