Clearing lung technique I found by accident

Posted by wal6578 @wal6578, Mar 3, 2020

I just recently started going to Mayo Clinic. My Dr. Scheduled a CT Scan and some pulmonary tests on the 28Th. I had been diagnosed with bronchiecstasis and mac lung by my pulmonologist in Tallahassee but all they were addressing was the mac lung and doing nothing about clearing my lungs so the Mayo clinic was set up as a second opinion. When they put me through CT scan on my back with knees bent I noticed mucus came right to my throat. I had been nebulising with albutrol and 3% saline since my first appointment on 2/11 and although I felt good after albutrol I was still not coughing up much sputum even after flutter valve. After CT I had an hour to waste before next test I went to my car and I coughed up a huge amount of sputum. I thought wow I hope I have more for my sputum test. After my pft I sat for 20 minutes with saline and produced nothing. I told tech about what happened after CT scan and she put me in a recliner for 5 minutes and I was able to bring up sputum. I googled this and it is an actual technique that I am now using everyday with success every time. After nebulising or if you can if mucus gets in your throat Lie on your back with your hips on two pillows and knees bent. Your head should slightly off bed. Do this for 5-10 minutes and the mucus is in your lower lungs will drain to your throat. I also clap my lower lungs to get it moving more. I also put my hands over my head and inhale and hokd it several times just like CT scan. It might not work for everyone but it works every time for me with large amounts of sputum that I have not been able to bring up even with a flutter valve. Google it.

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Thank you so much for this method! I, too, have a very difficult time getting the sputum up and out. It's amazing that we must learn different success methods from others and not our doctors. My ID doctor know what a difficult time I have, and other, too, and yet she never has had any "helpful hints" such as yours. I find this disconcerting. Thank you so very much !

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@beatrixflower

Hi, I was excited to try this and used it today but coughed up blood. Has that happend to others that have tried this method? I have created a separate post on this topic but wanted to add my question here also. Thank you.

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Yes. It's nothing to be alarmed about. My doctors said there's probably a small capillary that lets loose once in a while. But, when that does happen, slack off for a little and let it "rest"

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I’m not clear on the postural thing. I have difficulty huffing up stuff after nebulizing. I’m confused as to how to do what you all are suggesting. Please give details if you would. I need help. Thank you Bon

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@healthybon

I’m not clear on the postural thing. I have difficulty huffing up stuff after nebulizing. I’m confused as to how to do what you all are suggesting. Please give details if you would. I need help. Thank you Bon

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Hello Bon, Postural drainage uses gravity to help mobilize the sputum upward making it easier to cough it out. Manuel percussion while doing this may help even more, followed by huff coughing. Here are some pictures showing the best way to position yourself depending on which lobes of your lungs are involved. https://www.physio-pedia.com/images/6/67/Postural_drainage.jpg Bill

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Thanks for this helpful post but if you have GERD I thought these techniques cannot be used?

Wish I could find safe one to use if you have acid reflux? Any ideas?
I used to get lots of sputum and coughing after yoga class…

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@sara10

Thanks for this helpful post but if you have GERD I thought these techniques cannot be used?

Wish I could find safe one to use if you have acid reflux? Any ideas?
I used to get lots of sputum and coughing after yoga class…

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Sara, You might experiment with less drastic positions and make sure you have not eaten OR drank anything for 2-4 hours before.

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I have bronchiectasis (mild, I think) and am awaiting cultures from Mayo. So far, only yeast and penicillium have grown and aren't thought to be responsible for CT findings. Mayo really emphasized airway clearance with me. I use neb, then Aerobika, then do postural drainage 2x daily. I huff cough afterwards. They gave me a patient booklet that showed the positions and area of lungs the position drains. There is similar and more specific info about positions on line. They told me to do 2 positions for 5-10" each. I looked at CT results and have concentrated on my worst areas. If I'm not in a hurry, I add a third less impacted area. I can't eat 2 hours before this. It's a time sink, but I'm pretty committed until next CT.

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I've been trying to tell the respiratory therapists I've encountered over the past 13 years that this (with a slight variation) is the ONLY way I can get sputum up. After I nebulize with 7% for 15-20 minutes I lie down and do almost the exact same technique you use. And like you, I stumbled upon it myself. The only other thing that makes me bring up sputum - and is a far more enjoyable way - is a few good minutes of a belly laugh. I sometimes watch goofy stuff on YouTube just for the therapeutic effect.

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This is all very helpful. I just received a bronchiectasis diagnosis last week and, so far, have had next to no help from the pulmonologist. So, I am researching in order to advocate.

A friend in the CF community recommends straight saline through a nebulizer 2x per day. What I am wondering is it it's better to start at 3%? Or even to stay there, vs. 7%? What are the reasons for one dose vs. the other? Thanks!

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I started with the 3% and used it for several years. But it became ineffective with my cough being totally nonproductive. I found that the 7% works more quickly and is more productive. One has to be careful though with the 7% not to huff cough too aggressively in order to avoid hemoptysis. We're all wired so differently so perhaps someone else will have different, more helpful information. Good Luck!

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