Best Shower heads for MAC

Posted by kathyhg @kathyhg, Mar 18, 2019

I've been reading about shower heads and it seems that many are bad for growing bacteria. One mentioned on another forum was called The Original Chrome Shower Head by Shower Clear. It is very expensive and wondering if anyone has experience with this or others that might be good.
Thanks,

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@stevesunshine20

With all due respect, those recommendations are for Enclosed Shower Heads that do not get opened every day or, ever. Also, it was proven in ineffective in 1981 and documented by The Annals of Internal Medicine with a substance not only more aggressive but potentially deadly. Unfortunately, the virus repopulated in the Enclosed Shower Head. Given the University of Colorado Study and the fact that Immune-compromised patients can and do get infected unknowingly from a Shower Head and, potentially those that take the time to come here for help, support and potential answers, I feel it is important after the loss of my own mother to NTM related and other illness, to enlighten those that understand none of us have the corner on all the great ideas. There are those of us who will all look at the same problem and see another way to fix it. Have you ever cut open a standard popular Shower Head to see the complicated internal detail where mycobacterium which are 1 micron in size can hide? I have cut open hundreds. Here is the Study from 1981. Legionella pneumophila serogroup 6 was isolated from nine of 16 shower heads in a Chicago hospital ward where three patients had contracted Legionnaires' disease caused by serogroup 6 L. pneumophila. Each patient had showered there 2 to 10 days before the onset of disease symptoms. We also isolated the bacteria in two other hospitals, and found the same serogroups as had been causing Legionnaires' disease in those hospitals: serogroup 1 in Pittsburgh and serogroups 1 and 4 in Los Angeles. However, showers from hospital wards where no patients had contracted Legionnaires' disease also yielded L. pneumophila. Shower heads at the Chicago hospital were sterilized with ethylene oxide but rapidly became recontaminated, suggesting that the potable water at these hospitals may have contained the organism. The question of whether aerosols of shower water or other exposures to potable water containing L. pneumophila may cause nosocomial Legionnaires' disease has not been resolved but deserves further study.

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Steve sunshine.....I guess what it boils down to is who we listen to....your product sounds great, but there are also other options...getting advice from a world renown microbiologist who has researched this, Dr Falkingham, or your new product...I find some of your info incorrect ie MAC is 0.2 microns not 0.1. We have the info..thank you for that

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I have the shower head after reading MANY recommendations off of this site. I'm happy with it and it makes sense to me.

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@megan123

Steve sunshine.....I guess what it boils down to is who we listen to....your product sounds great, but there are also other options...getting advice from a world renown microbiologist who has researched this, Dr Falkingham, or your new product...I find some of your info incorrect ie MAC is 0.2 microns not 0.1. We have the info..thank you for that

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I do not profess to be microbiologist, I am an engineer who fixes things most have no idea are broken. Also, my information on the size came from a renown microbiologist. The decimal or number could have been a typo. Regardless, I do not consider any of this a contest of any kind. Nor am I here to sell or assuage. I am here to enlighten with 2 basic ideas to consider. 1-Would you rather have a shower head designed to be opened and dry every day and clean at will with the flip of a latch or, 2- A Shower Head that you cannot verify what is inside, always wet and use the Dr. Falkingham method of fully removing the shower head once a month and submersing it in undiluted bleach. Then reinstalling.

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@stevesunshine20

I do not profess to be microbiologist, I am an engineer who fixes things most have no idea are broken. Also, my information on the size came from a renown microbiologist. The decimal or number could have been a typo. Regardless, I do not consider any of this a contest of any kind. Nor am I here to sell or assuage. I am here to enlighten with 2 basic ideas to consider. 1-Would you rather have a shower head designed to be opened and dry every day and clean at will with the flip of a latch or, 2- A Shower Head that you cannot verify what is inside, always wet and use the Dr. Falkingham method of fully removing the shower head once a month and submersing it in undiluted bleach. Then reinstalling.

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Steve - The premise behind the Shower Clear head is interesting, but is it proven? I am curious as to whether you have had your showerhead tested by an independent testing laboratory to determine whether mycobacteria are present after several months of use.

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@sueinmn

Steve - The premise behind the Shower Clear head is interesting, but is it proven? I am curious as to whether you have had your showerhead tested by an independent testing laboratory to determine whether mycobacteria are present after several months of use.

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Yes. See attached from Bellevue Hospital in New York City.

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Letter - Bellevue - 10 (Letter-Bellevue-10.27.17.pdf)

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@stevesunshine20

Yes. See attached from Bellevue Hospital in New York City.

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Interesting anecdotally, but not independent laboratory testing...maybe I'm just too much of a skeptic at heart.

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@sueinmn

Interesting anecdotally, but not independent laboratory testing...maybe I'm just too much of a skeptic at heart.

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Sue, Bellevue is a New York State Hospital with very strict rules and regulations. Also, NYU Hospital uses Shower Clear in a section of the hospital that does not use hand held units. And, Dr. David Kamelhar from NYU (Look him up) has recommended Shower Clear to his NTM patients.**Dr Kamelhar does not endorse any product. He is recognized throughout the Pulmonary academic community for his work in bronchiectasis and non-tuberculous mycobacterial infections (NTM) and is co-Director of NYU Langone Medical Center's Bronchiectasis Program and co-directs its yearly Symposium on Bronchiectasis and NTM. The facts are what the facts are. I am just here to state them in a concise manner. You cannot clean a standard shower head.

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@stevesunshine20
I also own your Shower Clear shower head. I love the flip open and dry concept. It made perfect sense to me that an open and dry shower head would be cleaner than one that's damp and dark and possibly growing biofilms.
Thanks for your product
Shari

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@pfists

@stevesunshine20
I also own your Shower Clear shower head. I love the flip open and dry concept. It made perfect sense to me that an open and dry shower head would be cleaner than one that's damp and dark and possibly growing biofilms.
Thanks for your product
Shari

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Thank you Shari. Shower Clear was created to fix a problem. As an engineer who see's only Black and White, I am one who lives by a quote from Albert Einstein; "Any Intelligent Fool Can Make Things Bigger And More Complex...It Takes A Touch Of Genius - And A Lot Of Courage To Move In The Opposite Direction." My mother passed a year ago. Shower Clear was for her.

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Steve, I read the letter from Bellevue Hospital, which looks promising. However, did you specifically run water testing for mycobacteria (NTM)? Labs that specialize in this do it and it takes 4-6 weeks to culture (and possibly more to determine specific mycobacterium species). Also, water samples should be taken from multiple taps @multiple times to be valid. I'm familiar with this because we had our home water tested for mycobacteria (NTM).

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