timing immunosuppressants

Posted by JK @contentandwell, Aug 25, 2018

I know many of you are post-transplant as I am. They tell you to take the immunosuppressants either with or without food, but to be consistent. I suddenly realized a couple of months ago that if I took them without food I could probably take fewer pills so I tried that, and I was right -- I went from four pills in the morning to 2.5. These medications are never great for you, long-term, so I like the idea of taking a smaller dosage.
The problem is timing it so that I am not taking it with food. At this point I try to take them about an hour before I get up, giving me about an hour and 15 minutes between taking the pills and eating. I was wondering, how are other people managing that? It can be a real nuisance to take them an hour before I want to get up because often then, I cannot get back to sleep and end up tired.
JK

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@jodeej

@contentandwell we never thought about this! We will have to try this for a few weeks and see if there are any changes. Thank you for posting!
Blessings,
JoDee

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@contentandwell, You have brought up an interesting perspective. And, I know that you would have consulted with your doctor because I have come to know that you are a very dedicated transplant patient! I didn't mean to imply otherwise; my intention was to stress to any readers the importance of consulting with medical team before any changes.

I take my tacrolimus and my cellcept at 12 hour intervals. I have already eaten breakfast before my 8 AM dose, and also have had my dinner before my 8 PM dose. I have to confess that I don't remember what I was told about "with or without" food. All that I can remember for certain is that at some point early in my post transplant period, my team said to continue to do what I am doing. So that is what has worked for me for 9+ years.

I have several purse/pocket pill containers and I always take a does with me if I am going to be away for the day.

Here is something else -
I get my anti rejection meds thru the Mayo Specialty Pharmacy, and they will do a periodic survey to monitor my compliance to taking my immunosuppressants. One question I always get is, "How many times in the past (time period) have you been either 2 hours late or early with your immunosuppressant medicines?"

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@jodeej

@contentandwell we never thought about this! We will have to try this for a few weeks and see if there are any changes. Thank you for posting!
Blessings,
JoDee

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@jodeej, Whatever is decided. My tip is to make it something that fits his lifestyle. Remember that he will be on antirejetion meds for rest of his life.
This would be something good to ask at the 4 month checkup.

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@jodeej

@contentandwell we never thought about this! We will have to try this for a few weeks and see if there are any changes. Thank you for posting!
Blessings,
JoDee

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Hi, @dogwood928, Welcome to the Transplant Group. I don't think that I have met you before. (forgive me if I am incorrect).
I received a combined liver and kidney transplant in 2009 at Mayo Rochester. I absolutely love your online name - it reminds me of the beautiful dogwood trees that bloom in my home state in the springtime !
Are you a transplant recipient, or a caregiver?

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@jodeej

@contentandwell we never thought about this! We will have to try this for a few weeks and see if there are any changes. Thank you for posting!
Blessings,
JoDee

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@rosemarya we've talked to them about possibly needing to adjust the timing of taking his meds. Here will have to be to work by 7:00 a.m.when he returns, so we need to decide what will be the best time for him to take them. My concern is that if he's busy at work at 8:00 that he won't stop what he is doing to take them and then forget.

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@jodeej

@contentandwell we never thought about this! We will have to try this for a few weeks and see if there are any changes. Thank you for posting!
Blessings,
JoDee

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I live in Georgia-Home to the dogwoods. I’m 20 years post-transplant at Emory. I get labs every 6 months. I set my alarm for 9:00 am and 9:00 pm for meds. Sometimes with food, sometimes not. Doesn’t seem to make a difference. I’ve never had a problem.

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@jodeej

@contentandwell we never thought about this! We will have to try this for a few weeks and see if there are any changes. Thank you for posting!
Blessings,
JoDee

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@rosemarya I know you know me, but others may not, and I would not want anyone to think it was a good idea to just modify medications without checking first, so the transplant team could have lab work done to see the effect of the changes.

You probably are very consistent with how you take yours, so it's not as if that changes for you. I am not as consistent in my overall schedule. Some mornings I sleep late, and we often have dinner late. 8:00 or 8:30 worked out well for me. That allowed me to take my medications before going to my water classes, but I wanted this change. Crazy, huh? They really did not make much of this at MGH either, but I read it in the information they give you with the prescription.

I get my immunosuppressants through a CVS specialty pharmacy in Boston, they send them to the CVS up here. They used to send them to my home but then I had them send them to the CVS so I would not have to be here to sign for them. This works out much better.
Of course CVS does not monitor anything, that's up to my transplant team. They do it by the lab work, they do not ask me regularly at all. There is basically a one hour window around the usual time I was told because with my taking them so early in the day, on the days I have to go for lab work I end up taking them at around 7:30 rather than 6:30 - the lab opens at 7:00. Thankfully it's a Quest lab, a national company, and it's only a few miles down the road. I bring my pills with me and take them as soon as my blood is taken.

I had a Fitbit Versa fitness tracker that was perfect for me from the standpoint of having an alarm that vibrated on my wrist. That way I didn't wake my husband. Unfortunately it was not perfect in tracking activity so I sent it back. I plan to get an Apple series 4 when they come out next month so I hope their vibration will be as strong. It really helps. There are also vibrating alarm clocks that you can put under your pillow. My daughter gave me one of those but it didn't work for long. She has one and it has worked well for quite a long time. We have them because we both have hearing disabilities so the alarm clock wakes my husband long before it wakes me, he usually ends up waking me when I use it
JK

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@contentandwell

I just want to clarify one thing. I should have said in my original posting that I first spoke to my transplant team and told them I would like to start taking them without food. They then checked me, and sure enough my level was higher than need be so they cut me back, two times.

I would never, ever change an important medication like that without checking with my doctor and I would never suggest that anyone should. I tend to be a very cautious person and those who know me, know that about me, but of course my online correspondents do not. I am very much a researcher also. Many people who know me, think I should have had a job that entailed research. Researching was probably what led me to realize that I would be better off taking the medication without food so I could take a lower dose of it. All medications have side-effects so the lowest dose you can take of anything, the better off you are, I believe, but again lowering any dose should only be done after consultation with your doctor. I was able to lower my dose of levothyroxine also, after consulting with my doctor. I had a feeling that my thyroid did not need the dose I was taking and sure enough I was right on that too, and my pill is now cut in half. I was already at the lowest dose pill available. Hopefully this week when I see my endocrinologist I will be able to continue at that low dose, or perhaps stop taking it entirely.
JK

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Which meds have been readjusted? Thyroid or anti rejection?

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@jodeej

@contentandwell we never thought about this! We will have to try this for a few weeks and see if there are any changes. Thank you for posting!
Blessings,
JoDee

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@jodeej That is a concern. I was originally taking mine at around 9:00 but I was in the pool at that point so I would have to stop what I was doing and take them then. That was a nuisance, so I moved it up to 8:30, and then to 8:00. He could probably take them just before he leaves for work, or if he wants to take them without food, maybe as soon as he gets up, before he starts getting ready for work.
With tac of course it has to fit in two times, 12 hours apart, a day. With sirolimus it's only once a day. Interestingly, if you read up on sirolimus it says not for liver transplants but I have to trust my transplant team, I am sure they know what they are doing. It's certainly better than having my creatinine get high, possibly affecting my kidneys.
As they say though, it does need to be consistent. I have no idea if maybe you could do the morning without food and the evening with, or vice versa, but your transplant would have the best info on that.
JK

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@jodeej

@contentandwell we never thought about this! We will have to try this for a few weeks and see if there are any changes. Thank you for posting!
Blessings,
JoDee

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@coquifoife Congratulations on being 20 years post-transplant. That's fabulous.

Perhaps you are taking your pills close enough to eating so that it is within the window. If not, you are just lucky I guess.
JK

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@jodeej

@contentandwell we never thought about this! We will have to try this for a few weeks and see if there are any changes. Thank you for posting!
Blessings,
JoDee

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I'm glad that you posted, I had thought about it earlier but got busy doing something else...you should never change your medication, especially your anti-rejection meds., without first speaking to your team and I'll give you a for instance. I had a real high reading on my tacrolimus level was very high after somewhat lower levels and it was a false reading and turned out to be closer to normal.

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