@cindyhb - Hello. CBD oil is not another treatment option. It has not been shown to decrease cancer cells. What it is, is a useful agent in helping with relaxing, nausea, some pain. https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects/complementary-and-alternative-medicine/marijuana-and-cancer.html. I believe that using the terms cures or treatments, remedy or antidote are words that should never be used when talking about THC or CBD oil.Too many people will believe it and it gives a false hope of surviving. Also some people can have adverse side effects that don't ever seem to be talked about. Colleen has mentioned that there is a great need for more scientific research. I agree, for sure. I also think than when adding a mind altering chemical when you are already taking others needs to be done in a very cautious way.
@cindyhb - Hello. CBD oil is not another treatment option. It has not been shown to decrease cancer cells. What it is, is a useful agent in helping with relaxing, nausea, some pain. https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects/complementary-and-alternative-medicine/marijuana-and-cancer.html. I believe that using the terms cures or treatments, remedy or antidote are words that should never be used when talking about THC or CBD oil.Too many people will believe it and it gives a false hope of surviving. Also some people can have adverse side effects that don't ever seem to be talked about. Colleen has mentioned that there is a great need for more scientific research. I agree, for sure. I also think than when adding a mind altering chemical when you are already taking others needs to be done in a very cautious way.
I hope I was not misunderstood. I never said that CBD or THC is a 'cure' nor am I trying to give anyone false hope in treating or managing their cancer journey. However, the articles I referenced and the information we received from not one but three oncology groups (in relation to my husband's cancer treatment) were to use it if tolerable for him (which it is) as an adjunct to his medical care. If you will read the NIH reports they do state that CBD and THC show promise in treatment of cancer. Other uses have been confirmed as well now. The problem with CBD and THC is that with it's legal status little research has been possible and it frustrates some doctors because they see the early research and wish they had more concrete information. I am not a 'snake oil salesman' and I hope I have presented my thoughts carefully.
I think it should be noted that so many conventional cancer treatments used today can have serious side effects and limited efficacy as well and alternatives such as CBD and THC shouldn't be pushed aside without consideration.
I am 3 years cancer free (5 years from my initial diagnosis) of breast cancer. I didn't look to CBD or THC for myself although it was offered. I just now added it to my healthy lifestyle choices AND medical treatment, which included a bi lateral mastectomy. I am not suggesting that people look to a miracle drug for cure but instead evaluate all their options in treating their cancer because to be honest............medical science is a practice and it's constantly evolving. I meant no harm or disrespect but ignoring alternative options is not wise either.
Cindy- I mentioned all these things because I wanted to make the point, not because of anything that you wrote. I just spurred me to write! And I am sorry that I gave the wrong impression myself. I am so afraid of wrong terms and people believing what their minds want them too. Evaluating all options is key to getting the right treatments, but as you write, they often fail or have serious side effects and are not adequate and additional options need to be considered. You certainly did not show any disrespect, perhaps I should have asked questions instead of diving right in. xxoo
Cindy- I mentioned all these things because I wanted to make the point, not because of anything that you wrote. I just spurred me to write! And I am sorry that I gave the wrong impression myself. I am so afraid of wrong terms and people believing what their minds want them too. Evaluating all options is key to getting the right treatments, but as you write, they often fail or have serious side effects and are not adequate and additional options need to be considered. You certainly did not show any disrespect, perhaps I should have asked questions instead of diving right in. xxoo
..Merry......perhaps I over reacted a bit myself and I apologize. My husband's cancer is unusual because they cannot determine a primary source and they told us he wouldn't be here for the holidays but we just returned from a doctor visit and he is actually so much better. We are thankful and grateful for that. We were offered radiation and it was taken off the table, we were offered surgery and it was taken off the table, we were offered chemo but since they don't know the cancer type it would be multiple chemo drugs and they felt he wouldn't be able to tolerate treatment. There are some very rare cases where cancer appears and then goes away (very rare) and this could be one of those cases or this may advance to something they can finally identify (most likely) or perhaps the one remaining option we have (CBD and THC) may hold it off or reverse it. Don't know and won't know until we continue on the journey. I suppose there is an element of feeling that we are at least doing something with the CBD/THC, makes us feel like we're not just sitting here waiting for my husband to die (?). Our on going joke with our oncology team is that if the CBD/THC works then they can all write a good medical paper on it (although it won't be conclusive either because there it is still too early and there are no longitudinal studies on whether and how this might work.)
Cindy- We are good! One of the most difficult things with cancer, or any severe health problem is the feeling of being powerless. Your journey with your husband must be very frustrating to say the least. As humans we need to help ourselves heal and to just sit back is worse than most things, emotionally. I hope that your continuing path with your husband's cancer is a bright one and that they find the original site. Thank you for clarifying this for me. I understand much more now.
Colleen Young, Connect Director | @colleenyoung | Nov 30, 2018
I'm just catching up on this discussion. @cindylb might this be one of the NIH publications to which you refer?
The current state and future perspectives of cannabinoids in cancer biology https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5852356/
Abstract
To date, cannabinoids have been allowed in the palliative medicine due to their analgesic and antiemetic effects, but increasing number of preclinical studies indicates their anticancer properties. Cannabinoids exhibit their action by a modulation of the signaling pathways crucial in the control of cell proliferation and survival. Many in vitro and in vivo experiments have shown that cannabinoids inhibit proliferation of cancer cells, stimulate autophagy and apoptosis, and have also a potential to inhibit angiogenesis and metastasis. In this review, we present an actual state of knowledge regarding molecular mechanisms of cannabinoids’ anticancer action, but we discuss also aspects that are still not fully understood such as the role of the endocannabinoid system in a carcinogenesis, the impact of cannabinoids on the immune system in the context of cancer development, or the cases of a stimulation of cancer cells’ proliferation by cannabinoids. The review includes also a summary of currently ongoing clinical trials evaluating the safety and efficacy of cannabinoids as anticancer agents.
I'm just catching up on this discussion. @cindylb might this be one of the NIH publications to which you refer?
The current state and future perspectives of cannabinoids in cancer biology https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5852356/
Abstract
To date, cannabinoids have been allowed in the palliative medicine due to their analgesic and antiemetic effects, but increasing number of preclinical studies indicates their anticancer properties. Cannabinoids exhibit their action by a modulation of the signaling pathways crucial in the control of cell proliferation and survival. Many in vitro and in vivo experiments have shown that cannabinoids inhibit proliferation of cancer cells, stimulate autophagy and apoptosis, and have also a potential to inhibit angiogenesis and metastasis. In this review, we present an actual state of knowledge regarding molecular mechanisms of cannabinoids’ anticancer action, but we discuss also aspects that are still not fully understood such as the role of the endocannabinoid system in a carcinogenesis, the impact of cannabinoids on the immune system in the context of cancer development, or the cases of a stimulation of cancer cells’ proliferation by cannabinoids. The review includes also a summary of currently ongoing clinical trials evaluating the safety and efficacy of cannabinoids as anticancer agents.
Thank you Colleen....yes, this is one of the articles. There are several on the NIH site - some that detail what they think might be positive effects on various cancer types.
I'm just catching up on this discussion. @cindylb might this be one of the NIH publications to which you refer?
The current state and future perspectives of cannabinoids in cancer biology https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5852356/
Abstract
To date, cannabinoids have been allowed in the palliative medicine due to their analgesic and antiemetic effects, but increasing number of preclinical studies indicates their anticancer properties. Cannabinoids exhibit their action by a modulation of the signaling pathways crucial in the control of cell proliferation and survival. Many in vitro and in vivo experiments have shown that cannabinoids inhibit proliferation of cancer cells, stimulate autophagy and apoptosis, and have also a potential to inhibit angiogenesis and metastasis. In this review, we present an actual state of knowledge regarding molecular mechanisms of cannabinoids’ anticancer action, but we discuss also aspects that are still not fully understood such as the role of the endocannabinoid system in a carcinogenesis, the impact of cannabinoids on the immune system in the context of cancer development, or the cases of a stimulation of cancer cells’ proliferation by cannabinoids. The review includes also a summary of currently ongoing clinical trials evaluating the safety and efficacy of cannabinoids as anticancer agents.
In lieu of this new information about cbd/thc and cancer I see that what I have stated might have been outdated. I apologize. If these research studies prove positive in destroying cancer cells I will yell it from the roof top! Thank you Colleen for the updated info and Cindy.
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@cindyhb - Hello. CBD oil is not another treatment option. It has not been shown to decrease cancer cells. What it is, is a useful agent in helping with relaxing, nausea, some pain. https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects/complementary-and-alternative-medicine/marijuana-and-cancer.html. I believe that using the terms cures or treatments, remedy or antidote are words that should never be used when talking about THC or CBD oil.Too many people will believe it and it gives a false hope of surviving. Also some people can have adverse side effects that don't ever seem to be talked about. Colleen has mentioned that there is a great need for more scientific research. I agree, for sure. I also think than when adding a mind altering chemical when you are already taking others needs to be done in a very cautious way.
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2 ReactionsI hope I was not misunderstood. I never said that CBD or THC is a 'cure' nor am I trying to give anyone false hope in treating or managing their cancer journey. However, the articles I referenced and the information we received from not one but three oncology groups (in relation to my husband's cancer treatment) were to use it if tolerable for him (which it is) as an adjunct to his medical care. If you will read the NIH reports they do state that CBD and THC show promise in treatment of cancer. Other uses have been confirmed as well now. The problem with CBD and THC is that with it's legal status little research has been possible and it frustrates some doctors because they see the early research and wish they had more concrete information. I am not a 'snake oil salesman' and I hope I have presented my thoughts carefully.
I think it should be noted that so many conventional cancer treatments used today can have serious side effects and limited efficacy as well and alternatives such as CBD and THC shouldn't be pushed aside without consideration.
I am 3 years cancer free (5 years from my initial diagnosis) of breast cancer. I didn't look to CBD or THC for myself although it was offered. I just now added it to my healthy lifestyle choices AND medical treatment, which included a bi lateral mastectomy. I am not suggesting that people look to a miracle drug for cure but instead evaluate all their options in treating their cancer because to be honest............medical science is a practice and it's constantly evolving. I meant no harm or disrespect but ignoring alternative options is not wise either.
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2 ReactionsCindy- I mentioned all these things because I wanted to make the point, not because of anything that you wrote. I just spurred me to write! And I am sorry that I gave the wrong impression myself. I am so afraid of wrong terms and people believing what their minds want them too. Evaluating all options is key to getting the right treatments, but as you write, they often fail or have serious side effects and are not adequate and additional options need to be considered. You certainly did not show any disrespect, perhaps I should have asked questions instead of diving right in. xxoo
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2 Reactions..Merry......perhaps I over reacted a bit myself and I apologize. My husband's cancer is unusual because they cannot determine a primary source and they told us he wouldn't be here for the holidays but we just returned from a doctor visit and he is actually so much better. We are thankful and grateful for that. We were offered radiation and it was taken off the table, we were offered surgery and it was taken off the table, we were offered chemo but since they don't know the cancer type it would be multiple chemo drugs and they felt he wouldn't be able to tolerate treatment. There are some very rare cases where cancer appears and then goes away (very rare) and this could be one of those cases or this may advance to something they can finally identify (most likely) or perhaps the one remaining option we have (CBD and THC) may hold it off or reverse it. Don't know and won't know until we continue on the journey. I suppose there is an element of feeling that we are at least doing something with the CBD/THC, makes us feel like we're not just sitting here waiting for my husband to die (?). Our on going joke with our oncology team is that if the CBD/THC works then they can all write a good medical paper on it (although it won't be conclusive either because there it is still too early and there are no longitudinal studies on whether and how this might work.)
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2 ReactionsCindy- We are good! One of the most difficult things with cancer, or any severe health problem is the feeling of being powerless. Your journey with your husband must be very frustrating to say the least. As humans we need to help ourselves heal and to just sit back is worse than most things, emotionally. I hope that your continuing path with your husband's cancer is a bright one and that they find the original site. Thank you for clarifying this for me. I understand much more now.
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1 ReactionI'm just catching up on this discussion. @cindylb might this be one of the NIH publications to which you refer?
The current state and future perspectives of cannabinoids in cancer biology
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5852356/
Abstract
To date, cannabinoids have been allowed in the palliative medicine due to their analgesic and antiemetic effects, but increasing number of preclinical studies indicates their anticancer properties. Cannabinoids exhibit their action by a modulation of the signaling pathways crucial in the control of cell proliferation and survival. Many in vitro and in vivo experiments have shown that cannabinoids inhibit proliferation of cancer cells, stimulate autophagy and apoptosis, and have also a potential to inhibit angiogenesis and metastasis. In this review, we present an actual state of knowledge regarding molecular mechanisms of cannabinoids’ anticancer action, but we discuss also aspects that are still not fully understood such as the role of the endocannabinoid system in a carcinogenesis, the impact of cannabinoids on the immune system in the context of cancer development, or the cases of a stimulation of cancer cells’ proliferation by cannabinoids. The review includes also a summary of currently ongoing clinical trials evaluating the safety and efficacy of cannabinoids as anticancer agents.
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2 ReactionsThank you Colleen....yes, this is one of the articles. There are several on the NIH site - some that detail what they think might be positive effects on various cancer types.
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1 ReactionThis looks so promising. Makes me happy!
In lieu of this new information about cbd/thc and cancer I see that what I have stated might have been outdated. I apologize. If these research studies prove positive in destroying cancer cells I will yell it from the roof top! Thank you Colleen for the updated info and Cindy.
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1 ReactionWe tried CBD...but her body didn't respond well....
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