Restless Legs - Any suggestions as seen many doctors and medications

Posted by 3dogs @3dogs, Sep 25, 2023

Hi, I’m new to Mayo Connect but here goes…I have had RLS (Restless Leg) for about 40 years and it started with just occasional problems to now it’s daily at 66 yrs old. I had an unacceptable reaction to a few different meds like Gabapentin and also other meds used to also treat Parkinson’s and the last one they wanted to try had so many BAD side effects that I said no as I have reactions to many types of prescription medications including over the counter Antihistamines, Aleve etc. I do take extra B-complex, Vitamin D, Magnesium, Potassium, tried Iron etc. I often get leg cramps or ankle and foot cramps and remember my mother having them all the time. It doesn’t seem to make a difference if I exercise or not and mine will start late afternoon or evening. I toss and turn at night and I’ve actually made a hole in my sheets before because of moving my legs/feet so much. Occasionally my arms will also bother me. Heat, support stockings, warm shower or bath can help sometimes, but have noticed what works today will not work tomorrow so it’s what do I want to try tonight as again its rare if I skip a day. Just adding to my leg issues … 8 years ago I had an extreme 3 disc fusion in my lower back that was successful, but I woke up in the hospital with both legs and feet numb, which is common, but mine did not go away. About a year after surgery a neurologist said I had some nerve damage in my legs which might or might not go away, plus ankles very tender. Numbness is now mainly in lower calf (so much better) and feet plus ankle tenderness. Told I had neuropathy probably from the back surgery. I can live with sore/numb but the RLS is bothering and need to find relief. I recently moved to another state and my new doctor (after he touched my ankle and I nearly jumped off the table on him) had me go to a neurologist. With his testing he said I did not have neuropathy and he ordered spine CT which was fine, blood work including for RA etc. and all fine. Anyone, have suggestions? Again, I can live with the numbness, but the restless legs are what bother me. Not only is it uncomfortable/ache for me, but I start bouncing my legs, feet, Stand up/down, walk around and back to tapping my feet etc. so I annoy everyone.

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I'm scheduled for an appt at Mayo late 10/2026. I'm 55 and have had RLS as far back as I remember. Well over 40 years. I had about a 2-3 years remission after nightly use of Nighttime Leg Calm, essential oil blend, but this is no longer effective. No known triggers. My twitchies affect my shoulders. I've failed several therapies (listed below) and am now breaking through my Suboxone dose. This is especial dire as the very low dose of Suboxone I'm on causes severe constipation and somnolence. I'm having to take 400 mg modafanil, nap, and a Monster Zero just to make it through the day. On the advice of friends w/ chronic fatigue, I'm going to start magnesium glycinate tonight. I'm hoping like hell Mayo has something to offer.

Failed therapies:
soap under the sheets (duh, but I'm desperate)
carbidopa/levodopa
lorazepam
pramipexole (effective until augmentation)
ropinerole (augmentation)
gabapentin (ineffective)
pregabalin (ineffective)
Suboxone (effective until this past week, but w/ severe side effects)
magnesium citrate
oral iron supplementation (symptoms ineffective despite normal iron levels)
essential oil blend (as above).

Been 3 years since this thread was started. Anyone have any other suggestions.

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Hi I've also had RLS for 45 plus years and have had a reaction to the medication use to treat RLS so that's out for me. Mine will start early evening and throughout the night. I've worn holes in sheets several times over the years. I do take magnesium glycinate but have not really noticed a difference. My Iron is good, but one doctor had me take extra for a while to see if that helped but stopped when it was ineffective. I did have one neurologist tell me that while my iron levels are good, my brain might not be receiving the signal that my iron is good. Not much can be done with that, and I moved out of the area before I could discuss that with him in more detail. I have another appointment in Dec with a different neurologist so will see what they say. My problem is I try to find doctors that are good with RLS and only after seeing them do I find out they really know nothing and just want to prescribe meds, which I cannot take. I take tramadol which doesn't stop it but helps makes it more tolerable. What works the best for me is heat on my back, tramadol, and pot gummies. I do the CBD with little THC as I don't want to get high. At first, it worked wonders for a few months, but now it's back to bothering more often. I really don't want to take more and more gummies so thinking I might stop for a month then start back. I really hope this new doctor in Dec can help me....triggers for me have been too much walking and too little walking, being tired always seems like it will make it worse. Mine is to the point my arms will sometimes bother me so that just makes it extra special...lol what helps today will not tomorrow as it's hit and miss what will work that day but I use tramadol, heat, support sock, walking (not too much), gummies, laying on couch over chair etc. the supplements I take never seemed to make a difference, but I still take them as afraid it might be worse without but over the years doctors have said...Vitamin D, E, Magnesium, I have always taken potassium as I also get leg cramps all the time as did my mother. FYI some medications will give me sever leg cramps to the point I cannot take...I actually have a long list of things I cannot take as I have a reaction to it...hives, leg cramps, cough and asthma symptoms (Aleve and other medications) or taste perversion (omega 3). I say this as many people here have suggested different medications or vitamin's and I've tried many, but have reactions and end up not being able to take them so back to what works the best most of the time is heat, tramadol, gummies and support socks. good luck to you...

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I'm scheduled for an appt at Mayo late 10/2026. I'm 55 and have had RLS as far back as I remember. Well over 40 years. I had about a 2-3 years remission after nightly use of Nighttime Leg Calm, essential oil blend, but this is no longer effective. No known triggers. My twitchies affect my shoulders. I've failed several therapies (listed below) and am now breaking through my Suboxone dose. This is especial dire as the very low dose of Suboxone I'm on causes severe constipation and somnolence. I'm having to take 400 mg modafanil, nap, and a Monster Zero just to make it through the day. On the advice of friends w/ chronic fatigue, I'm going to start magnesium glycinate tonight. I'm hoping like hell Mayo has something to offer.

Failed therapies:
soap under the sheets (duh, but I'm desperate)
carbidopa/levodopa
lorazepam
pramipexole (effective until augmentation)
ropinerole (augmentation)
gabapentin (ineffective)
pregabalin (ineffective)
Suboxone (effective until this past week, but w/ severe side effects)
magnesium citrate
oral iron supplementation (symptoms ineffective despite normal iron levels)
essential oil blend (as above).

Been 3 years since this thread was started. Anyone have any other suggestions.

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@dhafford Nidra straps

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I'm scheduled for an appt at Mayo late 10/2026. I'm 55 and have had RLS as far back as I remember. Well over 40 years. I had about a 2-3 years remission after nightly use of Nighttime Leg Calm, essential oil blend, but this is no longer effective. No known triggers. My twitchies affect my shoulders. I've failed several therapies (listed below) and am now breaking through my Suboxone dose. This is especial dire as the very low dose of Suboxone I'm on causes severe constipation and somnolence. I'm having to take 400 mg modafanil, nap, and a Monster Zero just to make it through the day. On the advice of friends w/ chronic fatigue, I'm going to start magnesium glycinate tonight. I'm hoping like hell Mayo has something to offer.

Failed therapies:
soap under the sheets (duh, but I'm desperate)
carbidopa/levodopa
lorazepam
pramipexole (effective until augmentation)
ropinerole (augmentation)
gabapentin (ineffective)
pregabalin (ineffective)
Suboxone (effective until this past week, but w/ severe side effects)
magnesium citrate
oral iron supplementation (symptoms ineffective despite normal iron levels)
essential oil blend (as above).

Been 3 years since this thread was started. Anyone have any other suggestions.

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@dhafford
Hi There,
Have you had a sleep study?
You have gone through the ramifications of medications, and what many of us sufferers have. experienced, augmentation, or nothing.
What neurologist have you seen?
After almost 35-40 years suffering from a form of RLS, called PLMD:
Periodic Limb Movement Disorder, the neurologist from Mayo who is a Sleep specialist, prescribed buprenorphine subloxene, dissolved under the tongue.
What a Difference! It is only prescribed at 2mg, but I take 1/3 of a tablet.
It has kept the leg spasms at bay.
My best to you.

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@jebk I looked into those Fall of '24. Insurance wouldn't cover them at the time and I was still on the pramipexole (augmentation still a factor). I bought a TENS unit, hoping I could figure something out, but was not successful.

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Hello @dhafford, Welcome to Connect. I'm hoping your upcoming appointment will finally provide some guidance and a treatment/management plan to help you get some relief from restless leg syndrome. It sounds like you have tried a lot of different treatments without much relief. Have you tried any of the lifestyle and home remedies or coping and support suggestions listed on the Mayo Clinic site? - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/restless-legs-syndrome/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20377174.

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@johnbishop Hoo boy, my list was less complete than I thought.
I have tried hot baths (w/ & w/o Epsom salts), heat, ice: all ineffective. Exercise actually makes it worse (at least until I started giving the hammies a double stretch. Percussion gun to the hammies helps occasionally.

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@jebk I looked into those Fall of '24. Insurance wouldn't cover them at the time and I was still on the pramipexole (augmentation still a factor). I bought a TENS unit, hoping I could figure something out, but was not successful.

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@dhafford Check out the Nidra bands--similar (sort of) to a TENS, but one is high frequency and the other is low frequency and the Nidra was created specifically for RLS---there is a bunch of research supporting its efficacy (and it works so well for me). It's only available via Rx. I also tried using a TENS (years ago) and it was too irritating to allow sleep. With the Nidra you fall back asleep because it cancels the RLS. I still need medication, but the Nidra is great as additional therapy. (Google Nidra a TOMAC device and the Noctrix Company that makes it. There are YouTube describing, I believe, or look on PubMed for medical research articles).

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Nidra has only been FDA approved for 3 years and the company "put them out" state by state initially--so they weren't available in every state at the same time. It was a process. Maybe, your state was "later" having them available, but will now.

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I have been on Pramipexole 1mg tab for over 12 years. I have read about the side affects and I can understand why some people nervous about taking it, but I have not had any of them. I am so thankful for this drug and not have RLS anymore. Hope this helps.

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@jebk mine stopped after 25 years of being severe, when i was given iron infusikns to treat cancer related anemia.
Like magic, fone almost.overnight after the third infusion.
Nothing else ever touched the RLS ar all.

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The current RLS guidelines no longer recommend dopamine agonists drugs like pramipexole for new onset RLS because of augmentation. Augmentation can happen years--even decades--after it is initially prescribed.

(I think I remember friend zombiewolf as one whose augmentation started after 20 years)

My RLS expert doctor believes everyone who takes drugs like pramipexole will eventually have augmentation. One of the evils of this drug is that is does work well (until it doesn't), so doctors and patients can be lulled into thinking it's good for RLS. It isn't.

Unfortunately, for many on our forum, there is no guideline for "getting off" already prescribed dopamine agonist drugs. And, there are people, like our friend ranpattiwagner, who find these drugs helpful and have not yet experienced augmentation and post about this.

Anyone with RLS needs to be acquainted with what augmentation is and avoid dopamine agonist drugs if not already prescribed one of these. For those, like ranpattiwagner, watch for signs of augmentation and confer with an expert RLS doctor (if possible) on how to handle it.

The Restless Leg Foundation has descriptions on their website about augmentation and there have been a number of postings on our forum describing symptoms and how difficult (horrible) they are.

I have great sympathy for anyone currently on a dopamine agonist drug. But, it is important not to extoll these drugs as virtuous to others suffering from RLS. That does not tell the story in full.

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