Anxious 23 year old male with MAC
This is going to be a long post, and I appreciate anyone who is willing to read it all. I am anxious and scared and am hoping to gain some insights from the expertise on this forum.
I am a 23-year-old male from NYC. Relatively healthy but with high blood pressure and sleep apnea. History of asthma and severe food allergies and environmental allergies but no other lung disease.
I have always thought I had asthma and have been on the max dose of inhaled corticosteroids my whole life. Advair 250/50. About 9 months ago, I began experiencing symptoms of asthma exacerbation when it was usually well controlled. I went to my allergies and he put me on a 1 week course of prednisone where I felt a bit better but symptoms returned. I saw another allergist in person who switched me to Trelegy 200. No improvement in symptoms (which was coughing up mucus, difficulty clearing mucus, shortness of breath, feeling like breathing through a straw, and feeling like there is pressure on my chest). Allergist suspected it was silent acid reflux (LPR) and put me on omeprazole and referred me to a LPR specialist in the practice.
No improvement with symptoms and the acid reducers; ENT put a scope in my nose and throat and said that I had silent acid reflux. I followed the acid-reducing diet and was referred to GI doctor who did an endoscopy. Endoscopy was fine with no signs of reflux and they also did a manometry test and PH imedpance test which finally concluded that I did not have LPR. The pH impedance test was done off PPI and showed normal acid exposure of 3.4%, with 36 reflux events. Manometry was normal. There was positive symptom association with burping.
At the same time I was seeing a pulmonologist at Mount Sinai who was supposed to be the best. We did all the standard tests. Chest X-ray, pulmonary function test, methacholine challenge test, pulmonary cardiac stress test on a bicycle, nitrogen test, blood test etc. Everything came back negative. FeNO was also normal. The pulmonologist said I did not have asthma since my methacholine challenge test was negative. Confused since I was told I had asthma my whole life and felt symptoms.
Chest CT scan was also done in May. No air trapping, no bronchiectasis, everything looked normal. CT scan showed no signs of lung disease. The CT was not a dedicated high-resolution CT with expiratory views, so subtle small-airway disease or very subtle MAC-related changes could not be completely excluded, although my current pulmonologist reviewed the CT and said that it looked fine.
Was finally referred to another pulmonologist at NYU. They did a sputum culture test. AT the same time, I began seeing a special allergist who put another scope in my nose. He told me that my adenoids were severly infected and draining mucus and causing everything to be inflammed in the back of my throat. He put me on Augmentin and prednisone. I felt better for the week I was on prednisone. However, when I stopped the prednisone, symptoms returned. I saw the allergist again who put me on a nasal rinse twice a day (gentamicin and mometasone) and said I may need to have my adenoids removed. I have symptoms of stuffy nose, blowing mucus, and congestion. The mucus production was decreased once starting the nasal rinse but I still had the chest discomfort and difficulty breathing. Saw another ENT who put a camera in my nose and said that my adenoids didn't look inflammed anymore and it all loks good. Also had a sinus CT scan performed and that showed no sinus disease or anything abnormal. Still experiencing symptoms of stuffy nose. I was also evaluated for vocal cord dysfunction and was told that this was ruled out.
At the same time, the culture results came back. I was initially positive for Legionaires, H. Influanzae, and nasal colonization of meningitis (I am vaccinated). The Augmentin supposedly cleared those bugs but I also tested positive for mycobacterium avium intracellulare complex from the sputum culture in July.
NYU pulmonologist wanted me to do a 3-day sputum induction test to see if the mycobateria would culture again. I did that in August and it just came back postivie again. Acid fast Bacilli was negative in both cultures. The first MAC-positive sputum was collected on July 1 and the second was collected around August 19/20, so they were approximately 7 weeks apart. Both cultures were acid fast bacilli smear negative. A 3-day induced sputum series was performed in August.
To conclude, I have ruled out all other possible causes of my breathing symptoms. I am seeing the pulmonologist again in October to discuss the results but he called me and said that I am likely positive for MAC due to the 2 positive culture results and symptoms, however, he said that most people don't need antibiotic treatment and that we will discuss what to do. He also said that the CT does not look like there is anything significant there, although the CT is not technically perfect enough to completely exclude subtle MAC disease.
I am very worried, I am so young and from my research online MAC mainly infects those with compromised immune systems and other lung issues which I don't have. I don't understand how I could have been infected with MAC and I'm worried that the only optino to solve my breathing issues is to either wait it out and continue suffering until the MAC causes damage seen on a CT to start antibiotics or start the antibiotics now and hopefully clear it. However, if I got infected with MAC as a healthy 23 year old, wouldn't it just continue coming back as I get older?
I am worried about the long term side effects of this. The antibiotics would interact with my blood pressure medications (which I can only take a few since I have allergies that prevent me from taking beta blockers) and I'm worried I won't be able to handle the side effects.
Can MAC be cleared without antibiotics in someone young like me? The pulmonoligst at Mount Sinai literally told me that there is nothing she can do and she suggests just waiting and said that there was no reason to culture for MAC because even if I had it she wouldn't treat it. I'm getting conflicted opinions and don't know where to turn.
My biggest question is whether it is actually possible for MAC to be causing significant respiratory symptoms at this stage even though my CT does not show obvious lung disease. If MAC could be contributing to my symptoms, how do doctors distinguish that from incidental colonization, and would treatment ever be considered before structural lung damage appears?
I also want to know whether, given my age and the fact that I have now had MAC isolated from two separate sputum cultures despite no obvious bronchiectasis or other structural lung disease, I should be evaluated for an underlying predisposition to NTM, such as an immune deficiency, cystic-fibrosis/CFTR-related disorder, primary ciliary dyskinesia, or another condition.
I am also wondering whether a dedicated high-resolution CT with thin sections and expiratory views would be worthwhile now, or whether repeating imaging several months after the May CT would be useful.
If treatment is not appropriate now, I would like to understand what should actually be done to determine what is causing my breathing problems and what findings would cause doctors to switch from observation to treatment.
I am very worried because I am only 23 and have never had a significant lung disease other than what I was told was asthma. I'm getting conflicting opinions and don't know whether I should be pursuing treatment, observation, another NTM specialist, or additional testing. I'm especially concerned about the possibility of either unnecessarily taking multiple antibiotics for a year or, on the other hand, waiting until there is irreversible lung damage before treating something that may already be contributing to my symptoms.
My biggest questions are:
1. Can MAC cause significant respiratory symptoms when CT imaging is essentially normal?
2. Do two separate positive cultures make it likely that MAC is clinically meaningful in my case?
3. Is treatment ever appropriate before obvious structural lung disease develops?
4. If treatment isn't appropriate now, what should I be doing to determine what is actually causing my breathing problems?
5. Given my age and lack of obvious underlying lung disease, should I be evaluated for an underlying predisposition to NTM?
6. Would you recommend getting a second opinion from another NTM/MAC specialist?
I appreciate anyone who has experience with MAC/NTM or a similar situation sharing their perspective. Sending thoughts and prayers to anyone dealing with this and I appreciate any advice one can give.
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How scary to be going through all this. You are not alone but you are probably the youngest person I know who has MAC. I’m 82 and was dx in 2016 but must have had it years bf that. Like you, I had sooo many questions that the pulmo suggested I Google it. I did, and found the UNC chapel Hill Bronchiectasis NTM center. Thank God bc Dr Daniels really helped me out. Is there a center of excellence near you? So many on this site know more than I do and I am sure they will offer sound suggestions. You are lucky they did culture. Seek out BE MAC experts, and keep asking questions. I hope you get your answers. Best, jessed
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4 ReactionsHi, I am sorry you are dealing with so much at such a young age. I was diagnosed with MAC 3 years ago but believe I actually had it back in 2019. I had a chest x ray, then a CT scan and then a PET scan. They did a Bronchoscopy and sent the mucus to be tested for MAC. The pulmo Dr. at the time wanted me to start right away on all 3 meds even though I had no symptoms. I decided to see an Infectious Disease Dr. who said I should not start the meds because they do have nasty side effects and to do what they call a watch and wait. I found a new Pulmonologist who agreed with the ID Dr, and that's what I am still doing. I would make an appt. with an Infectious Disease Dr. and perhaps ask for a PET scan. If they want to start you on the meds, I think I would ask to take Azithromycin and Ethambutol and skip Rifampin. What I have seen on this site, Dr.'s are seeing good results with those two meds and less side effects. Perhaps you are a candidate for Airway clearance and Nebulizing. I would think an Infectious Disease Dr. would be able to help you. I will be thinking of you and keep us posted on how you are making out. So many people on this site have taken the meds and have done well and are still living a long and healthy life with MAC. Wishing you well, take care. Barb
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3 ReactionsI’m so sorry you’re dealing with this at your age. I also think you should have a better CT scan to really see what’s going on. You probably should be doing airway clear twice/day. I think you need more testing for things like immune deficiency, Cystic Fibrosis or other things. I don’t know if you could go to National Jewish in Denver but they do comprehensive testing and are the experts. It would involve taking a week off work. If that’s not possible there are Centers of Excellence throughout the country that have recently started up. One more suggestion would be to join a support group. They are usually online and I know there is one specifically for men. Take good care!
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4 ReactionsHello, you are very young to be going through all this. You will find a lot of good advice here. @deb21017 has indicated the basics. You will see a lot of mention of National Jewish in Denver, they are about the best for lung issues in the U.S. if not the world.
You mentioned a pulmonologist at NYU who did the most thorough workup you have had so far. Are you being seen at the NYU Bronchiectasis and NTM center? If not, try to get in there. Dr Addrizzo is the main doctor there. She is one of the national experts and this is one of the 'centers of excellence' which you see mentioned here. I am seen by Dr Addrizzo and her asthma colleague there, Dr Schatner. They are excellent. My mild bronchiectasis was followed for years by a "generic" pulmonologist at NYU who was somewhat knowledgeable but once I started having more symptoms my GI guy referred me to Dr Addrizzo. They will do an extensive workup if you can get in there.
I agree with @deb21017 that you should ask for the right kind of CT scan which it sounds like you already know. Regarding immune deficiency, the doctors at the NYU bronchiectasis center recently had me tested after a bout of RSV and pneumonia this past spring, come to find out I do indeed have a "specific immune deficiency" making me especially vulnerable to respiratory infections. I will be starting immunoglobulin infusions soon.
So you are asking all the right questions. You need a team that will persist to understand what is happening and what to do about it.
Please keep us posted here.
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6 ReactionsI agree with lvnl to try to get seen at NYU Bronchiectasis and NTM center or another center of excellence. You need to see a specialist. Also see if you can get your pulmonologist to prescribe a nebulizer and 7% saline to help get all your mucus out. It also helps against MAC. Many of us use the 7% saline while on wait and watch as well as when being treated. It’s very important.
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4 ReactionsHi all, thanks so much for your thoughtful comments and advice. It makes me feel better knowing I can gain some expertise from you all.
I was being seen by Dr. Barbara Mann at Mount Sinai who specializes in NTM but she dismissed me. Luckily, I have also been seeing Dr. Kamelhar at the NYU Bronchiectasis and NTM center and I have an appointment with him in October.
I guess my question to you all is, is it possible to get MAC if you have no underlying lung condition at my age? I am worried that this may signal some sort of underlying immune deficiency or lung condition (other than asthma) but I'm not sure what to ask the doctors to test for. I have been dealing with this for many months and it seems as if the doctors aren't really paying attention to me, although I know this is a long process.
I have heard of National Jewish in Denver but I just started a new job 2 months ago and can't take a week off yet. If this progresses into the new year without answers, I may just have to take the vacation time and do it.
Thanks again for all your responses and help here and I'll certaintly keep everyone updated along the way.
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3 ReactionsI'm glad you are seeing Dr Kumalhar at NYU bronchiectasis & NTM center. I don't know him but I know they are busy there and work through their appointments on clockwork... Don't assume they don't care or aren't paying attention. You're doing the work to ask the most important questions at yr next appointment. Good. Maybe you'll be able to get to National Jewish at some point but short of that you are in very good hands.
As far as whether you can have NTM without bronchiectasis -- it's unusual but there are people here with that experience.
@desk12111 Welcome to Mayo Connect, as you have already seen, our members are very helpful.
It sounds to me like you have found your way to excellent health care, and should be able to rely upon their advice.
Let's talk a little about MAC and why you have it - you have several risk factors - prior infections, sinus issues, long-term steroid use (suppresses the immune system) and sleep apnea. In all of the testing, were you tested for eosinophilic asthma or Cystic Fibrosis? With sleep apnea, do you use a CPAP or BiPAP device? If so,it needs to be kept scrupulously clean to avoid introducing sinus and lung infections. Finally, MAC is everywhere in air,soil and water, so most of us have no idea where we got it.
I think you can continue to seek care with the specialists you have already found.
We are always here to answer your questions.
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4 Reactions@sueinmn Thank you so much for the thoughtful reply. I was tested for eosinophilic asthma and it was negative. The allergist took my blood and said my eosinophils were in a normal range (around 300 I think) but she put my on a trial short of Fasenra which takes the eosinophils down to 0. The Fasenra did not improve my asthma symptoms so she ruled that out.
I use a CPAP device. About a year ago I discovered mold on the inside of the tube connector to the CPAP and got an entirely new machine. I'm not sure if that could have contributed to anything. Since then I have been cleaning the machine weekly. My sleep doctor suggested that I get a oral dental appliance for sleep apnea rather than the machine since my sleep apnea is quite mild. I'm trying to have that made up and perhaps it would be a good idea to stop the CPAP for a bit, I'm not sure.
I have read studies online that long term use of the steroid inhalers can be a risk factor for MAC. Perhaps that is a contributing factor.
I have not been tested for CF but I think I should, how would I go about doing this?
I guess I'm also trying to see what I can do to improve my overall health and reduce these risk factors.
Thanks again for all your help. It is much appreciated.
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1 ReactionI have been seeing Dr Kamelhar for NTM and Bronchiectasis for 4 years.
He is an expert and does not rush to antibiotics . He will follow you very closely and treat accordingly
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