Neuropathy: Numbness only, no pain
When I was first diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber peripheral neuropathy and numbness was my only symptom, my neurologist told me that I am one of the "lucky" few who didn't also have pain and other associated symptoms of neuropathy. I knew there were others out there but yesterday I met my first member on Connect who has a similar diagnosis. I want to thank that member for joining Mayo Clinic Connect and sending me a private message that I would like to answer here to start this discussion.
Hello @afirefly, Welcome to Connect. You mentioned being diagnosed with large fiber demyelinating predominately sensory peripheral neuropathy at Mayo Clinic. The neurologist's recommendation was exercise and balance exercises. Your symptoms are less than one year and are primarily progressive loss of sensation in your hands and feet. You also said aside from occasional muscle cramps in your calves and dyesthesias in hands and feet, you experience little discomfort. Your greatest concern now is the degree of disability you will have as the numbness progresses.
I can tell you that we think a lot alike. When I walked out of the neurologists office with similar symptoms of just numbness in the feet and lower legs with no pain – and no recommendations for treatment, I was pretty down. I was told to let them know as the condition progressed and my biggest fear at the time was not being able to drive myself. That's when I started doing my own research and found Mayo Clinic Connect after being diagnosed with idiopathic small fiber PN.
You have some really good and thoughtful questions which I will try to answer the best I can.
Question: Although you have improved on the Protocol, did you ever have complete loss of sensation in your feet? I ask because I truly dread the possibility of total sensory loss in my feet.
Answer: I never had a complete loss of sensation in my feet. At the worst, they felt numb and sometimes tingly but not painful, just uncomfortable. They mostly always feel cold and after being diagnosed with lymphedema I have to wear compression socks which doesn't help the numbness feeling. I have noticed that it seems like I've had some feeling returning ever so often when I'm exercising on my crossfit exercise bike. I use it several times a day for 30 to 45 minutes when I can to build up leg and arm strength. I recently purchased a device called a Sand Dune Stepper to work on my balance issues. I do think it helps and I've noticed a little more feeling in the bottom of my feet – if that makes sense for numb feet. Website – https://www.sanddunestepper.com/
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, are you still able to drive a car?
If yes, would you kindly tell me what maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while driving?
Answer: I am still able to drive a car. The numbness was always a concern in my mind but never kept me from feeling the pressure of placing my feet on the pedals and pushing them down or letting them up.
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Question: Assuming you have little or no sensation in your toes and the soles of your feet, how difficult is it for you to walk? Before my neuropathy, if my foot was in a position too long it would "go to sleep" from lack of circulation to the nerves. The sensation would return seconds later once I changed my foot position. However, I don't believe I would have been able to walk on that sleeping foot until the circulation had been restored. Please tell me if there are/were any maneuvers/measures you have used over the years to compensate for the absence of feeling in your feet while walking.
Answer: When I was in my late 40s, my wife would sometimes tell me that I walk like an old man and now I am one and still walking the same. I've always been slow getting up and slow to take the first steps when walking. I guess I would call it trying to be careful because I wasn't sure of my footing. I think recognizing that your feet may not be as steady is a good thing and keeps you alert when walking. I struggle with walking any distance due to lower back issues. I recently had some physical therapy to learn some back and stomach muscle strengthing exercises which has helped some. Now I just have to execute a plan to do them often.
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Question: You indicated that the cost of the old Protocol was under $10/day (prior to 525 Protocol) several years ago and that the current 525 Protocol is $6.44/day. Does that mean Protocol 525 these days costs somewhat less than the old (original) Protocol?
Answer: Each item in the original protocol lasted a different number of days so the cost was more spread out and roughly calculated at under $10/day. The new 525 Protocol is a 30 day supply for $6.44/day ($193.20). It's also fewer pills to swallow which I really like. The Ramp up version is different due to the R-ALA in the regular 30 day supply. The daily R-ALA dosage is 1200 mg which causes some people to have stomach problems so the ramp up is to gradually increase the dosage to get use to the higher amount. I never had an issue because I was already taking supplements for the PN from my research and was taking that amount of ALA before I found the original protocol. Related discussion — Have you tried the new Protocol 525 product for neuropathy relief?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/have-you-tried-the-new-protocol-525-product-for-neuropathy-relief/
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Question: Do you use orthotics or inserts in your shoes? Special shoes?
Answer: I've tried some orthotics and different inserts but don't always use them. I found some felt/wool inserts that I like during the winter time as an extra cushion. I do like Sketchers because of the memory foam cushion and comfort. I used to wear the canvas shell ones but my neurologist told me it would be best to wear shoes with good side support for walking. So, I try to choose slip-ons with good side support made out of leather. There is another discussion on Connect you might find helpful for shoes – If the shoe fits…right?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/if-the-shoe-fits-right/
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Question: Besides daily foot exams, lotion to your feet, and avoiding barefoot walking, are there any other measures you use to protect your numb feet?
Answer: For me, this all started with a trip to the ER after waking up one night to go to the bathroom and when reaching the bathroom seeing blood all over the floor and trying to figure out where it's coming from. Surprised was I to see it pumping in a small stream from my ankle. Long story short, I unconciously rubbed my feet during the night and I had a hang nail on my big toe which tore the skin and part of a vein close to the surface. After that episode, I always wear white short loose socks to bed and I apply lotion to my feet and legs to keep them moisturized. I think that also helps with the healing process when you think that there are tiny sensory nerves just under the skin and it helps to keep the skin moist to protect them.
Hope this helps…let me know if I missed anything or if you have any other questions. We have a great group of members with a lot of experience here on Connect.
John
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I have tried many things to find out what caused my neuropathy. I finally figured out that I have Amyloidosis. Get checked to see if you have Amyloidosis.
I’ve had painless neuropathy for 16 years & found the only treatment that works is exercise. I’m at the gym 5 days a week. Strength training Monday, Wednesday & Friday it takes an hour & a half to go through 15 machines. 3 sets of 20 on each machine with 30 to 45 sec between sets. Tuesday’s & Thursdays I spend 45 minutes to an hour on the stair stepper or elliptical & Sat I spend time on my own Rowing machine, I also do yard work mowing lawn & pulling weeds. I can fell cold water running on my feet waiting for the shower water to warm up. Inactivitie makes my balance worse. Are yard is on a hillside & I haven’t fell in over a year. I have had some close calls but strengthening my legs & core has enable me to recover before going down. I’m 86 years old & I’ve tried the crap the snake oil salesman tell you will work, none of it does. Inactivity makes my Balance worse, KEEP MOVING WORKS.
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4 ReactionsThat’s great advice! Hope everything works for you.
@njed Hi, Ed–– Well, the Sanddune Stepper has arrived! Challenge #1 is not how to walk on it safely. Challenge #1 is where to put it. 🙂 It's bigger than I'd imagined; by "bigger," I mean the Stepper's overall footprint. (A pun?) It looks to be about 26" x 20". That's a guess. Since moving into this house over a year ago, I've yet to find anything that measures things. Unpacking the Stepper has bushed me. I'll save where to put it for tomorrow. Then maybe on Tuesday I'll try stepping on the Stepper. ––Ray (@ray666)
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1 Reaction@ray666 I store mine up against the wall and sometimes behind the couch. Mine came with a storage bag and also has a washable cover. I normally use it with my socks on but no shoes. Just got it out a while ago and did 10 minutes walking in place.
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1 Reaction@johnbishop, I'll proceed cautiously. The Stepper, while intriguing and something I can't wait to try, looks like something that says you'd best be careful if your PN legs aren't used to walking on sand or other giving surfaces. Will the Stepper help restore a bit of good balance or an ounce of gait confidence? Well, that remains to be seen. Have a super day, John. I've my annual this afternoon. I look forward to having a talk wih my primary, although I know, and she knows, there's not much to offer that will help with my PN. –Ray (@ray666)
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1 Reaction@ray666 Ray - sounds like John's idea is a good one to store it up against something and/or in back of something. Once you jump on board and use it for a while, please do post on how you are making out. I'm looking into one myself but with drop foot not sure at this point. Doing my homework so to speak before purchasing.
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1 Reaction@ray666 Last night I saw a small 3 step, step ladder that I bought 10 or 15 years ago but don't use very often anymore sitting in our back porch storage room and got to thinking it might be great for support while stepping on the Sand Dune Stepper. Found out when I place the Stepper against the back of the step ladder I'm able to use the top handle of the step ladder for balance - https://www.target.com/p/cosco-3-step-all-aluminum-step-stool/-/A-13130246.
So thinking you may have other handy stuff laying around also to help you stay safe 🙂. Have a great day and I hope your primary visit goes well this afternoon!
@njed Good morning, Ed– I have a bit of drop foot, too. Another reason to be cautious. I'm going to watch the manufacturer's videos and position the Stepper so I've a firm countertop to grip. It's the damnest thing, isn't it? Walking on uneven ground used to be a no-brainer; not too many years ago, I treat was walking Colorado's high-country trails. And here I am today, saying I'm going to be sure I've got a kichen countertop within grabbing distance. I don't recall seeing too many kictchen countertops above 14,000'. 🙂 Have a great day, Ed. –Ray (@ray666)
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1 Reaction@johnbishop Excellent suggestion! I've got a couple of those short step ladders around the house. I may enlist the services of one of them. A thought I had: my walker. I haven't needed the walker because of PN (not yet anyway!); I've had it since I had my knee surgery 20 years ago, but I've used it lately when I do sit-to-stands. I've got pain arthritis in my "birth" knee, and the walker serves as a perfect guardline when I do the sit-to-stands. ––Ray (@ray666)
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