Chronic Scalp Itch. Not Seb. Dermatitis. Please help

Posted by cb314 @cb314, Jul 18 4:14pm

I've had an itchy scalp now for 4 years and nothing works or helps even a little bit. Derm. gave me ketoconazole and steroid spray but didn't work at all; she didn't see anything with the scope either. The itch moves around and is often triggered by air blowing on my scalp. Anyone else experience this?

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Yes, but suffered for over a decade and in that time saw over 5 different dermatologists. I finally learned on my own about testing for Allergic Contact Dermatitis, ACD, with the 5 Day Extended Patch Test. In middle age I developed eczema, rashes on my hands and itchy scalp (rash free) and my body was inflamed with histamine. Without the internet andjust relying on doctors I never learned there were various forms of eczema. I was simply told I had eczema. It's like being told you have cancer and you are never told which type.Before testing I was treated with various topicals, like steroids, only to have the rash go away initially and come back with a vengence once treatment stopped. There are multiple forms of eczema and I finally learned I have the allergic form. Avoidance of allergens in the only way to stop the over production of histamines. I tested positive to 20 plus natural (like rubber and metal) and chemical additives which we are continually are exposed to in grooming products that contain preservatives and fragrance, fabrics like spandex and elastic and blended fabrics, shoes, and so on. I had to eliminate 95% of my wardrobe, almost all grooming products and make ups, my memory foam mattress, any exposure with fire retardent, Scotch Gaurd, one class of five steroid classes - the class that cortisone is in and so on. It still took months to calm my body. All worth it. I got my life back.
Medicare pays for the 5 Day Extended Patch Test, if interested Google it, it is expensive without insurance. I've had it done several times and without insurance it cost $1,500 years ago. Best of luck figuring out what is causing your inflamation. Clearly your body is reacting to something which it believes is attacking you and thus raising up a histamine army trying to rid you of what it considers toxic. Your scalp is inflamed.
If your scalp is the only issue, trying the products I recommended could help you and at the very least wouldn't hurt you.

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@gardeningjunkie Thank you for taking the time to explain all that. Very insightful and inspiring. I will definitely try all the products. Next step is the allergy test. Why are we paying doctors if we have to figure it out on our own?!

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@gardeningjunkie Thank you for taking the time to explain all that. Very insightful and inspiring. I will definitely try all the products. Next step is the allergy test. Why are we paying doctors if we have to figure it out on our own?!

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@cb314 When you see a dermatologist they have hundreds of skin condions to treat. Some are more knowledgeable than others about eczema. There answer is to control the irritation with steroids, which are a temporary help for most. But that is a treatment which doesn't address the cause. So as I mentioned once you stop the treatment the rash or itching return. The majority of eczema cases concern Atopic Eczema which most are born with and suffer greatly even as babies. Atopic seems to be part of the individuals dna and they have this on and off for life. Look up the types of eczema and it becomes even more complicated.

Here's a very cynical view why I was not even offered the 5 Day Extended Path test for 10 years even living in a large city with good medical. It can 't simply be ignorance on their part because the allergic form of eczema is not a rare form and having it develop later in life is common but voidance based on testing results no longer requires their services. Also dermatologist's, although MD's are not specifically licensed by the patch test kit companies so they had no motivation to send you to a patch kit test licensed dermatologist and loose your business.
If shampoos and conditoners which are free of common allergen's don't help after a few months (it does take at least a month plus to start calming the scalp down and )discontinuing all other products like sprays or gels, consider your pillow or other contacts.

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That must be terrible for you to have had an itchy scalp for 4 years! I'm so sorry that you are going through that! I used to have an itchy scalp until one time I used Dawn dishwashing detergent, the blue one, to wash my hair when I ran out of money and shampoo at the same time. My itchiness started to go away! So I continued to use Dawn dishwashing detergent. Finally the itchiness went completely away and has never returned. That was 40 years ago. I am currently 80 and still don't have gray hair. I don't know if that is related to Dawn but it's nice.

Shampoos these days are full of junk and have strong scents. That could cause irritation and itchiness. Dawn is very natural and clean. It's also cheaper than shampoos and it cleans your dishes very well too.

I hope this helps. I wish you the best.
PML

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@pml

Dawn irritates my skin. I cannot stand the smell of it either. I am chemical sensitive .. smell, touch and taste. I have trouble finding products without perfume or scent. I use dog shampoo because I cannot find a human shampoo I am not allergic to.

Dawn removes grease but leaves a residue. .. which is not good if ingested. It is not good for the environment either. Please, take some time to research Dawn.

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@pml

Dawn irritates my skin. I cannot stand the smell of it either. I am chemical sensitive .. smell, touch and taste. I have trouble finding products without perfume or scent. I use dog shampoo because I cannot find a human shampoo I am not allergic to.

Dawn removes grease but leaves a residue. .. which is not good if ingested. It is not good for the environment either. Please, take some time to research Dawn.

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@fourof5zs
I've used Dawn for 50 years and my hair looks and feels great! I'm 80 and my hair still hasn't turned gray! We are all different and react differently to things.
PML

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I was going out of my mind with an itchy scalp. My dermatologist could not find a reason. I tried using Dermaleve and it worked for a few weeks. I have Grover’s Disease and it wasn’t being caused by that. What I found and it took a little while of trial and error and a bit to kick in is using Dove Shampoo Derma Scalp Dandruff and Itch Relief Formula also alternating shampoo with CeraVe Shampoo and after rinsing the shampoo out then using in Dove, derma scalp, dandruff and itch relief conditioner, and leaving that in my hair for the remainder of my shower and then rinsing it out at the last minute of my shower. I obviously wash my hair as soon as I get into the shower and I wash it every day. I have found that this has been my only salvation. Every once in a while, I will get an itch in one particular spot in my scalp, and then I will use, which sounds kind of crazy Sarna calm + cool anti-itch lotion directly into my scalp in just that one area. That seems to calm down the itch and it may not come back for maybe another two weeks, again, just in that one area. The Dove shampoo and conditioner is not that expensive so it’s not like you’re throwing a lot of money away. I hope this works for you because like I said, I was going out of my mind.

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@pml

Dawn irritates my skin. I cannot stand the smell of it either. I am chemical sensitive .. smell, touch and taste. I have trouble finding products without perfume or scent. I use dog shampoo because I cannot find a human shampoo I am not allergic to.

Dawn removes grease but leaves a residue. .. which is not good if ingested. It is not good for the environment either. Please, take some time to research Dawn.

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@fourof5zs As ?
Dawn is a toxic soup of allergens, yet is does clean good and when I need to use it I always wear protective gloves (for me vinyl protective gloves are safe, where as rubber or other materials are not).
I safely used ecover zero and Planet dish soap for years ordering these on line. They don't cut the grease well but are preservative free and I don't get eczema from.
At long last a readily available and resonably priced dish soap has come on the market that is excellent!!ea I've used for a year without hand eczema. It is Palmolive Free and Clear. It cleans well and can be bought at any local grocery store.

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I was going out of my mind with an itchy scalp. My dermatologist could not find a reason. I tried using Dermaleve and it worked for a few weeks. I have Grover’s Disease and it wasn’t being caused by that. What I found and it took a little while of trial and error and a bit to kick in is using Dove Shampoo Derma Scalp Dandruff and Itch Relief Formula also alternating shampoo with CeraVe Shampoo and after rinsing the shampoo out then using in Dove, derma scalp, dandruff and itch relief conditioner, and leaving that in my hair for the remainder of my shower and then rinsing it out at the last minute of my shower. I obviously wash my hair as soon as I get into the shower and I wash it every day. I have found that this has been my only salvation. Every once in a while, I will get an itch in one particular spot in my scalp, and then I will use, which sounds kind of crazy Sarna calm + cool anti-itch lotion directly into my scalp in just that one area. That seems to calm down the itch and it may not come back for maybe another two weeks, again, just in that one area. The Dove shampoo and conditioner is not that expensive so it’s not like you’re throwing a lot of money away. I hope this works for you because like I said, I was going out of my mind.

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Hav you had the 5 Day Extended Patch Test to identify contact allergens?
After testing I initially used Grandma's Lard and Lye bar soap. During the soap making process the lye is converted to glycerin so you are only contacting lard and glycerin. Many castile soaps are simply plant oils like olive oil and glycerin. These soaps don't clean as well as shampoos and don't lather so soft water helps greatly in cleaning.
I've previously mentioned the safe for me shampoos I have been using for years now. For cleaning my body I love to use Kiss My Face olive oil soap but any lard or olive oil soap made with lye or directly with glycrine works great. My local grogery store sells a locally made lard and lye soap very inexpensively. They have no odor or fragrance. You don't smell the lard
I agree with you about Dove products which I had used for years before testing, After testing learned why I reacted to them.
Everyone needs to sbe aware our skin is occulsive. Meaning it transfers known allergens in these products though our skin which raise our histmine levels. Over time
our histmine army's grow trying to protect us from toxins and this leads rashes, itching, dryness and flaking and so on. As we age the reaction time to allergen's speeds up and becomes a permanent allergy. Once allergic always allergic

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Oh my goodness, YES! It's been going on for a while, and so uncomfortable. I don't have dandruff, and it happens even after I just washed my hair, so it's not that either... I've switched up shampoo and conditioner a bizzilion times thinking I might have an allergy to one, but no relief. I've seen my doc multiple times since it started but for some reason I keep forgetting to ask her about it. I'm wondering if I should go to see a Dermatologist. If you have any breakthroughs I'd love to hear about it!

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