Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease

Posted by bunnysammy @bunnysammy, Jul 31, 2018

Hey everyone! So if you've seen my last post you know I've been in the process of diagnosis. I'm still not 100% but my Rhuemy is think Undifferentiated Connective tissue disease which is not the same as Multiple connective tissue disease. I was wondering if there's anyone on here who has this? I don't see much awareness for this disease or much information. I see a lot of mixed info so I'd love to hear experiences, explanations, like anything and everything that anyone knows about this. Thanks guys.
So if I do have UCTD mine presents itself very similarly to lupus and RA with some Sjorgens similarities too. So one step closer to diagnosis:)

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Hi…..reading through all of these I thought I would give you something else to consider……just what you want right?? !!! ……anyway…..so much of what you convey is my life with Ehlers-Danos Syndrome …..which is a connective tissue disorder of basically inferior collagen…..which is of course everywhere!!! Everywhere !!! In the body…….some are affected so badly internally and some with all of their joints and some both!……skin, internal organs, joints…..you name it. That would be me. There are actually 13 types but the most common that I also have, is hypermobility type. I am full of titanium fixing and replacing joints, as well as having a lot of poorly perfecting internal systems repaired or removed due to connective tissue issues. I recently read on my EDS site that there are people being diagnosed with what you have when perhaps they actually may have EDS. EDS community went through this over 10 years , 1995-2005, of trying to address the many different kinds and categorizing them. It is just recently that you tell a doctor and they don’t look at you blankly. The younger doctors are getting in in med school…..finally. If you want a scale to use look up the signs for it and also do the Brighton Scale as that is very good but only really about the Hypermobility one. I am also 72 and have had all the very loose skin, that often comes w this, removed!….Best gift my hubby ever gave me!…..I am dealing w a lot but I look good! Lol! Take good care!……there is an army of information on this now! Terri

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Ha! I would happily give you 50% of my joint tightness in trade for your joint hyper mobility if that was possible!

I did look into EDS and it really does not fit my pattern of symptoms, but I appreciate the thought to keep my mind open!

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Ha! I would happily give you 50% of my joint tightness in trade for your joint hyper mobility if that was possible!

I did look into EDS and it really does not fit my pattern of symptoms, but I appreciate the thought to keep my mind open!

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There are actually 13 forms of it and only one is w hyper mobility . But I’m sure you spotted that! I wish you well! It seems that each of us must find our own footprint that works! Blessings! And Tenacity!!!

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Ha! I would happily give you 50% of my joint tightness in trade for your joint hyper mobility if that was possible!

I did look into EDS and it really does not fit my pattern of symptoms, but I appreciate the thought to keep my mind open!

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@marymaryoregon @chevykat2 I recently found this article about autoimmune disease diagnosis. https://autoimmune.org/resource-center/diagnosis-tips/
It gives good information about getting a diagnosis.
What are your thoughts?

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Hello @chevycat2! Nice to hear from someone else who has this nebulous problem. My blood tests were positive, now sort of negative,. symptoms remain, pain, hypermobile joints, increased now at time of great (unrelated) stress. Rheumatologist said 30% differentiate, 30% stay same, 30% go away. I'm in a holding pattern.
I hope you feel better!!!

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I have UCTD and have been taking hydroxychloriquine for approximately 9 months. I really can't complain; the drug has prevented me from getting flare-ups which were extremely painful. So far, so good! I only need an Advil or Over-the-Counter pain pill for mild discomfort wherever it hits (have had flare-ups in my hands, wrists, neck, sternum). I'm 72; active, but my biggest aggravation is fatigue. I wish there was a pep pill for that (but would rather deal with constantly feeling tired than taking steroids). Most physicians will suspect depression (and I"m not depressed). I sleep more than most, but can resume my 90-mile per hour pace once I'm in an, "upright position." Hope this helps.

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I have multiple sclerosis and connective tissue problems with a history of rheumatoid arthritis and am chronically fatigued. I was given 5 mg Ritalin to take up to 3 x day and it has helped me considerably. You may want to ask your doctor if you could try something like that to help you to be more awake/alert throughout the day.🤷‍♀️

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My live is like lemartin417. I have had good help with Ritalin at the 3x day. Just remember with the Autoimmune diseases they are attacking your system all the time, which is giving you the tiredness. Keep on it and in touch with your doctor. Don't just say this is how it is. Keep a positive attitude and not a poor me one. They have said I need to go on disability, and I refuse to give up. I still work full time because I love my job. I take off when I need to rest through intermittent FMLA. Good luck!

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Hello all. I was diagnosed with UCTD but the meds were unbearable. I would take it and be vomiting within an hour. Tried injections and the same thing. I am allergic to a lot of medications age my body is highly reactive. Started a new Rheumy and he now said no not UTCD but wants me to at my primary for fibromyalgia, cold urticaria, joint pain and chronic fatigue, to my eye doctor and dentist for dry mouth and eyes, my neurologist for chronic headaches and essential tremors. It’s frustrating. My test 1:1280 every time. One test showed positive for RA but then the next didn’t. They didn’t test further after hitting the 1 positive. I know something isn’t right. The fatigue is horrible, the neuropathy comes and goes but can be awful. Chronic headaches last for months but auric to NSAIDs. I have ptosis of my eye. My kidney tests are abnormal. My mother died from ALS and I’m confident my father had Parkinson’s. I think he believes I’m looking for meds and I’m not. I’m looking for answers so I can research other ways to combat it all. I tried Mediterranean eating but ended up with stomach and bathroom issues. What do others do, besides medication?

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Hello all. I was diagnosed with UCTD but the meds were unbearable. I would take it and be vomiting within an hour. Tried injections and the same thing. I am allergic to a lot of medications age my body is highly reactive. Started a new Rheumy and he now said no not UTCD but wants me to at my primary for fibromyalgia, cold urticaria, joint pain and chronic fatigue, to my eye doctor and dentist for dry mouth and eyes, my neurologist for chronic headaches and essential tremors. It’s frustrating. My test 1:1280 every time. One test showed positive for RA but then the next didn’t. They didn’t test further after hitting the 1 positive. I know something isn’t right. The fatigue is horrible, the neuropathy comes and goes but can be awful. Chronic headaches last for months but auric to NSAIDs. I have ptosis of my eye. My kidney tests are abnormal. My mother died from ALS and I’m confident my father had Parkinson’s. I think he believes I’m looking for meds and I’m not. I’m looking for answers so I can research other ways to combat it all. I tried Mediterranean eating but ended up with stomach and bathroom issues. What do others do, besides medication?

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@maggs413 I think you might want to find a new doctor who specializes in autoimmune diseases. I’m going to give you the name of an AD organization that keeps lists of doctors and what is going on in the AD world. You should be able get help from them.
https://rarediseases.org/
You may have to drive 1-2 hours but it’s worth it. I still drive, at least 1 hr in rush-hour traffic, to have appointments with my doctor.
I sure hope you’ll get the help you need! Write back to me and let me know what happens.

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Hello all. I was diagnosed with UCTD but the meds were unbearable. I would take it and be vomiting within an hour. Tried injections and the same thing. I am allergic to a lot of medications age my body is highly reactive. Started a new Rheumy and he now said no not UTCD but wants me to at my primary for fibromyalgia, cold urticaria, joint pain and chronic fatigue, to my eye doctor and dentist for dry mouth and eyes, my neurologist for chronic headaches and essential tremors. It’s frustrating. My test 1:1280 every time. One test showed positive for RA but then the next didn’t. They didn’t test further after hitting the 1 positive. I know something isn’t right. The fatigue is horrible, the neuropathy comes and goes but can be awful. Chronic headaches last for months but auric to NSAIDs. I have ptosis of my eye. My kidney tests are abnormal. My mother died from ALS and I’m confident my father had Parkinson’s. I think he believes I’m looking for meds and I’m not. I’m looking for answers so I can research other ways to combat it all. I tried Mediterranean eating but ended up with stomach and bathroom issues. What do others do, besides medication?

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@maggs413 I have a diagnosis of UCTD and Sjogren's. I have had neurological symptoms for a long time, my father died from ALS and my husband has Parkinson's so I am pretty aware of the symptoms connected to those. I am on a fast learning curve regarding Sjogren's - it's highly common to have neurological impacts that can be systemic. Currently I have developed gastroparesis and just had a small nerve fiber biopsy that showed damage/loss of small nerve fibers in my leg, consistent with neuropathy caused by Sjogren's. The symptoms are very similar - including loss of muscle and drop foot. For years I have had various health issues which now are being seen through the lens of autoimmune. Your positive ANA and symptoms definitely warrant better investigation and oversight- a competent and well informed rheumatologist would not reach that conclusion, mine didn't and it's made all the difference. By the way, Sjogren's is often seronegative, meaning you might only test positive for ANA, and sometimes even that is negative. Keep reading up on this and hopefully you can find a smarter doctor💗

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Hi bunnysammy,

I’ve sort of had a lifelong journey with different connective tissue disease, but in the beginning, it was very difficult. I wanted to know what was wrong with me and what to do.

Basically, my journey went something like this:
- 1998 swelling of my right knee, which was relieved by right knee synovectomy/removal of the lining of the joint. With two year recuperation, I have a five-year-old, three-year-old and a four month old baby. Life was challenging.
- right knee pain continued until I moved into a house that was wood floors instead of concrete slab.
- intermittent pain, so I tried knee braces, PhysicalTherapy 5 years, then 8 years of methotrexate
- I never had a positive ANA for the first 10 years and it was intermittent pain so one day because one day I couldn’t walk
- SED rate was slightly elevated, C reactive proteins was always good, vector score was always good, and RA factor was always negative
- so 20 to 30 years later I learned I have serum negative already, but it was called undifferential connective tissue disease for years. I still have a negative RA factor.
- I’ve been enjoying remission since 2022. I’m not taking any medication, bicycle, play, pickle ball, and go to ZUMBA!
- my hands are an issue, and I wear compression gloves during the day, then I put them in something soft and straight
- I wear KT tape when I exercise on my knees
- keep to a regular routine with lots of sleep, healthy food, lots of water, and lots of prayer
I hope this post is helpful. 🌺

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