Not Good News after prostate biospy when MRI didn't look too bad

Posted by diverjer @diverjer, Feb 10 9:29pm

Last month I had PSA of 5.23 when a few months earlier it was 3.2. Then they scheduled me for MRI of prostate. Did another PSA and it was down to 4.16, but still wanted the MRI. Report is below, doesn't look good PI-RADS 5. At one point they say in report Lesions (PI-RADS 3 or higher). If I understand it, it hasn't spread. Wish I could get a plan with doctor!

FINDINGS:
Prostate measurement: 5.7 x 5.0 x 4.9 cm Prostate volume: 68.75 cc PSA: 4.16 ng/mL PSA density: 0.06 ng/mL/cc
Peripheral zone: See below.
Transition zone: No index lesion. Stromal and glandular BPH nodules.
Lesions (PI-RADS 3 or higher):
Lesion # 1: Location: Left posterior peripheral zone extending from the base to the apex Size: 2.4 x 1.3 x 2.6 cm (5.83 cc). T2: T2
hypointense DWI: Marked restricted diffusion DCE: Focal early enhancement, positive Prostate margin: Abuts the capsule without
definite invasion Overall PI-RADS Score: 5/5
Prostatic capsule: Intact.
Neurovascular bundles: Not involved.
Seminal vesicles: Not involved.
Lymph nodes: No lymphadenopathy.
Bones: No acute osseous abnormality.
Other findings: Small fat-containing right inguinal hernia.
IMPRESSION:
1. The prostate gland measures 5.7 x 5.0 x 4.9 cm with volume of 68.75 cc. PSA density is 0.06 NG/mL/CC. 2. Lesion # 1: PI-
RADS 5 lesion in the left posterior peripheral zone extending from the base to the apex measures 5.83 cc. No frank extracapsular
extension. 3. No pelvic lymphadenopathy.
PI-RADS Category 5: Very high (clinically significant prostate cancer is highly likely to be present)

Really doesn't look to bad, one spot that hasn't spread!

Then Bad Update 2/10/2026
Well got biopsy yesterday and results today, doctor hasn't called, just sent biopsy results to MyChart.

The MRI showed only one Lesion like shown above. Had biopsy done yesterday, they did 3 from the Lesion and 6 from each side of prostate. I wondered why they did more biopsy that were outside the lesion, but didn't ask. Got report today- not good. The lesion look better than areas where MRI saw nothing. They took 15 samples total.
Results:
Final Diagnosis
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A. Prostate, "LLB", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+4=7 (Grade group 2) in 1 of 1 core, involving 30% of needle core tissue.

B. Prostate, "LMB", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 4+3=7 (Grade group 3) in 1 of 1 core, involving 70% of needle core tissue

C. Prostate, "LLM", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+4=7 (Grade group 2) in 1 of 1 core, involving 60% of needle core tissue.

D. Prostate, "LMM", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 4+3=7 (Grade group 3) in 1 of 1 core, involving 60% of needle core tissue.
Large cribriform glands present.

E. Prostate, "LLA", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+4=7 (Grade group 2) in 1 of 1 core, involving 60% of needle core tissue.

F. Prostate, "LMA", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+4=7 (Grade group 2) in 1 of 1 core, involving 50% of needle core tissue.

G. Prostate, "RLB", biopsy:
Benign prostatic tissue.

H. Prostate, "RMB", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 4+3=7 (Grade group 3) in 1 of 1 core, involving 10% of needle core tissue.

I. Prostate, "RLM", biopsy:
Benign prostatic tissue.

J. Prostate, "RMM", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 4+3=7 (Grade group 3) in 1 of 1 core, involving 50% of needle core tissue
Large cribriform glands present.

K. Prostate, "RLA", biopsy:
Benign prostatic tissue.

L. Prostate, "RMA", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 4+3=7 (Grade group 3) in 1 of 1 core, involving 25% of needle core tissue

M. Prostate, "ROI#1", biopsy:
Prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+4=7 (Grade group 2) in 3 of 3 cores involving 70% of needle core tissue

Another thread I posted in a person said "You have a Gleason 4+3 7 BUT you have large cribriform and doctors a UCSF say that puts a 5 in your Gleason score." I believe he picked this up from the biopsy report. I don't know what a cribriform even is, it's not mention in report. From googling around it can only be determined by sieve-like or "Swiss cheese" appearance under a microscope and I don't see that in report? But this is all new to me. Doctors haven't talked to me yet, who knows when they will call or make appointment, took long time to get MRI and even longer to get the biopsy done. Sure were fast getting results, they said 7 - 10 days and they gave them to me the next day. Kind of wish they didn't give me results prior to talking with me.

My first thought is just get the thing cut out, not sure how that is done, as seems they got to leave something in there for urine to flow threw. So they couldn't take 100 percent of prostate out. Then I read about nerve sparing or not and not sure what that means. No doctors have discussed this with me yet. Seems if they take it out there shouldn't be any prostate cancer left? But then I read where people get it out and still have a PSA level, so like I said earlier, they must leave some in there, even when they call it total. Had to drive 150 miles to get MRI and biopsy They could have done that in Topeka, but KUMC is ranked as number 50 in top of prostate treatment so I went there Topeka doesn't have a Proton device, that would be back up to KUMC 150 miles RT. One of those radiations therapy is only a few days, not 30 some days. They do have SBRT radiation in Topeka, but I know of someone who had SBRT or maybe it was IMRT and it screwed up several other organs around the prostate, like bladder, kidneys and intestines.
Then some tell me I am lucky to have them all in grade group 2 or 3. But seems like I had a lot of them (12 of the 15) . So I would guess if they did 25 biopsy I could have had more grade group 2 or 3.
All confusing and stressful, other that this I am 78 years old healthy as a horse- no other issues and very active. Loss of what to do and all the different radiation types, that why just getting the pesky thing cut out of there, but seems they still leave some in.

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@diverjer
It certainly doesn’t change what occurred now, but I am surprised pre surgery somehow in a scan it was not caught. Did you ever have a conversation with him about it prior to surgery. I have a hernia also and I don’t recall if he saw it, or I mentioned it, but I remember him saying he does not do hernia repairs while doing his surgery. I also heard where there are surgeons that do hernia repair while in there. I guess what i have not heard is a surprise we fixed a hernia we never talked about as a bonus. I would think unless you signed some paperwork authorizing it, the surgeon stepped out of line, although it still might have been reasonable for him to do it. He could argue it had been medically necessary that he needed to repair it for some reason while in there.

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@wheel1
No it was never discussed with him prior to surgery, nothing was ever mentioned about a hernia or any other issues- just prostate, lymph nodes, nerves and seminal vesicles.

Some additional notes from surgery operation.

The patient elected after discussing options to do a robotic prostatectomy. Risks for the procedure include bleeding, infection, possible impotence, incontinence, vesical neck contracture, injury to contiguous organs. He understood all risks, wished to proceed.

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@wheel1
No it was never discussed with him prior to surgery, nothing was ever mentioned about a hernia or any other issues- just prostate, lymph nodes, nerves and seminal vesicles.

Some additional notes from surgery operation.

The patient elected after discussing options to do a robotic prostatectomy. Risks for the procedure include bleeding, infection, possible impotence, incontinence, vesical neck contracture, injury to contiguous organs. He understood all risks, wished to proceed.

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@diverjer
I think he went a bridge to far. After a complete healing from your surgery, likely no more than a year unless emergency, a subsequent laparoscopic inguinal hernia repair even with the scar tissue needing to work around are able to do successful hernia repair. That is if you wanted it. I am not repairing mine. Maybe lawsuit? An attorney that takes fees only if he wins

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I am thinking with this bulge running up right side of groin, I may have to have something done. There has never been bulge there before his repair. Thinking attaching mesh thing poked holes and now c one loose ripping where it was attached. Prior to surgery thst was suppose to be just prostate, it was flat and no pain.

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I am thinking with this bulge running up right side of groin, I may have to have something done. There has never been bulge there before his repair. Thinking attaching mesh thing poked holes and now c one loose ripping where it was attached. Prior to surgery thst was suppose to be just prostate, it was flat and no pain.

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@diverjer
I don’t know how quickly the bulge appeared but it could be some scar tissue or failing mesh. Have you shown your doctor. They can easily do an ultrasound of the groin

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He can't see me until 4pm Thursday. 4pm is when they work in a bunch, by that I mean there might be 5 people with a 4pm appt. Then he would have to schedule a ultrasound and in this town that could take awhile.

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If it was painful, you could go to the ER and then you are basically getting another doctors opinion of what is going on, because they will definitely scan it and then you have something to report to your doctor and don’t have to take his word for it .

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I am thinking with this bulge running up right side of groin, I may have to have something done. There has never been bulge there before his repair. Thinking attaching mesh thing poked holes and now c one loose ripping where it was attached. Prior to surgery thst was suppose to be just prostate, it was flat and no pain.

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@diverjer The surgeon made a judgement call and even though there is a debate over whether his actions were warranted, it’s past history now.
Take those surgical notes and find a good hernia repair surgeon - especially one who does revisions on failed surgeries.
Mesh does sometimes come loose and his ‘four or five’ tacks may have been insufficient since it was, in his words, a ‘large’ inguinal hernia.
Phil

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He can't see me until 4pm Thursday. 4pm is when they work in a bunch, by that I mean there might be 5 people with a 4pm appt. Then he would have to schedule a ultrasound and in this town that could take awhile.

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@diverjer
I am so sorry to hear that you now have to deal with this also : (((. Please do not carry anything heavier that one gallon of milk 🙏, and try to avoid even that before somebody examines you.

How is you granddaughter doing : (((, I really hope she found a good surgeon 😟🍀

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