Could it be Fibromyalgia

Posted by kjs831 @kjs831, Jun 27 4:51pm

For awhile now, I have been so exhausted I can barely function. I went to see my PC 2 weeks ago and almost fell asleep waiting for her. I also feel achy all the time, the same type of achyness as the Flu. I also have been dealing with issues like memory loss, spasms, feeling dizzy at times, losing control of my bladder while sleeping and not realizing until I wake up in the morning. I saw a Neuro about the memory loss etc, she ordered a bunch of tests and everything came back as "We can't find a functional reason as to why all this is happening to you." I saw a second Neuro at a Brain and Stroke Center, and she said the exact same thing. The exhaustion and achyness was so bad a few days ago, I couldnt even get off the couch to make dinner for a few hours. I emptied and refilled my dishwasher and I had to sit down because i was so tired and achy. I get so achy that it hurts to lay down to rest, so I have to take Tylenol to make the achyness lower enough for me to sleep. My PC ordered a bunch of blood work and i see her in a few weeks. We did discuss both Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia, and she is considering (for lack of a better term) that it's Fibro. Anyone have any thoughts? And if it turns out to be Fibro, does anyone have advice as to how to tell parents who think you're making it up? Please don't judge me. thanks

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Profile picture for coryl @coryl

@kjs831 it’s so hard for people who haven’t experienced what we do to understand. A diagnosis of fibromyalgia at least gives one justification and some people like Lady Gaga are speaking out and affirming the pain and fatigue. Try to be understanding while knowing you are right and they are ignorant or unwittingly believe our suffering. Take it one day at a time!🤗

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@coryl

You would think in this day and age we would live in a society that understands that there are a lot of physical and mental health illnesses we cannot always see. I have a friend who has Fibromyalgia among many other illnesses you cannot see. I told her I don't know how she does it and I have a new level of sympathy for her.

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https://www.fibromyalgiafund.org/why-fibromyalgia-muscles-hurt/
Check this research out. I found it very descriptive. Essentially, though, it goes back to square one when I was diagnosed 45 years ago. My meds then were low-dose Elavil (I took the generic) for stage 4 deep sleep, Naprosyn (anti-inflammatory), Parafon Forte (muscle relaxer, I take the generic).

Now that I’m 77, I can no longer take Elavil (hallucinated after 5 years) - use C-Pap machine that doesn’t make me feel rested; can’t take Naprosyn or anti-inflammatory drugs - had internal bleeding a few years ago; still take Parafon Forte - can take this muscle relaxer for a couple days at a time - split 500 mg dose in half…puts me to sleep, makes me groggy, take on as-needed basis only.

Always tired, more muscle tightness - have had two UTIs - each one, muscles in area of uti clenched and wouldn’t loosen up for months. First UTI it was my left hip. Second UTI, it was my left flank.

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Profile picture for SusanEllen66 Susan McMichael @SusanEllen66

@kjs831 just so you know, this Site is a no judgement zone.

Many of the people on this site have fibromyalgia. We have discussions about how we feel, and how it affects us.
There are so many different experiences because fibromyalgia feels different at different times, for different people.
I’ve had it forever (50 years). I get back spasms, and fatigue is always present. The worst part is when my ankles are held (when a doctor checks for fluid), when the inside of my knees are poked, etc. the pain is awful.
You can check for painful “trigger points” on your own. There are drawings online showing where the fibromyalgia trigger points are, check it out. It may give you an answer.
Did your PCP poke at you on certain points? If she did, I promise you would have said ouch. If she didn’t, she needs to. Try it yourself.

Regarding explaining to your parents, or educating anyone else, I think a 3rd party like a doctor would be helpful.
It’s a medical condition not something anyone would want to experience. You can show them the information on this site. It’s here to support anyone.

Keep us informed as to your progress, if you wish. We are here for you!

Susan

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@SusanEllen66

I was able to find a list and diagram of the trigger points you mentioned, and I said ouch to all. Thanks for that info. I also remembered that my first chiropractor had said many years ago that I have myofascial pain syndrome. I've had pain in my left shoulder off and on for 30 years. When I was living in GA, i found a really good chiropractor who worked wonders on that pain. Several years ago, it got really bad again, so I went to a place called "The Joint chiropractors" The next day after i went, my arm went numb from my elbow down to my hand, and was ice cold. I went to an urgent care, and the PA was stunned that she could see inflammation caused by whatever the so-called Chiropractor had done. I eventually went to my Orthopedist who did an MRI, and he said "Do not ever let a chiropractor near that shoulder ever again. I believe they can help people, but you are not one of them anymore." And just a few years later, i destroyed that shoulder in a fall. And despite 2 years of care and treatment, I somehow hurt it again last month. I was sitting in a doctor's waiting room, and when I got up to go with the Nurse, i had a really painful spasm. And while the pain isn't as bad as it was that day, it still hurts. I told my shoulder orthopedist to just remove the left side of my body and replace it with one that isn't a mess.

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Profile picture for kjs831 @kjs831

@daisy17

I was just looking at the side effects, and joint pain and muscle cramps are listed as is insomnia. I'm a little wary about taking a drug whose side effects are the reason why I would need the meds in the first place. Thank you for replying, I appreciate it.

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@kjs831 Yes, those are side effects, but as this article explains very few people experience them, "Naltrexone side effects low dose are typically mild and infrequent, affecting fewer than 8% of patients. Most people tolerate this medication well, but understanding what to expect helps you start treatment with confidence."
https://www.directintegrativecare.com/post/naltrexone-side-effects-low-dose
Regarding insomnia, as the article says, most sleep problems with LDN resolve in a couple weeks. In fact, LDN is often used to treat insomnia. https://neurolaunch.com/low-dose-naltrexone-sleep/

The other drugs typically prescribed for fibromyalgia (Cymbalta, Lyrica, Savella) are often addicting and can have severe side effects and only work for about 30% of the people who take them.

I only offer this as an option to check out because it basically cured my fibromyalgia and insomnia. I feel like it "re-set" my body back to where it was before getting fibro For me, it was a miracle.

It doesn't work immediately, as you have to start at a low dose and taper up to the maintenance dose, usually 4.5mg/day. After that it can take a couple months to begin to notice improvement. The only side effect I've noticed is vivid dreams, but not nightmares.

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@SusanEllen66

Thank you so much, Susan. I'm going to take a look at those drawings on line for the Fibro trigger points. I have tremors in my left arm, which just started out of nowhere back in the late fall. I destroyed my left shoulder in a fall back in 2024. But everything is healed. I've always had pain back in that shoulder, it never fully goes away. So if i get poked in that area, I will definitely say ouch. The Neuro sent me for a DaT scan to look for traits of Parkinsons, but it came back fine. 4 day at home EEG, they saw the tremors I have while sleeping. But there was nothing going on in my brain that indicates seizures or Parkinsons. My knees have always hurt, because I don't walk for exercise. My Ortho NP said to walk to help out the pain, but the walking also causes pain. The biggest thing is the exhaustion, it's exactly like the exhaustion when you have the flu, as is the achyness. I'm definitely going to read other's posts so i can learn more.

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@kjs831 the fibromyalgia pain test is on certain points not the entire knee or arm.
Your tremors. Are they fast or slow?
If you watch a person on video who has Parkinson’s their tremors are slow.

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Profile picture for jeannesf1 @jeannesf1

Hi. I’m hurting for you and actually hurting. It’s 5am and have slept for 1 hour. Both cause of insomnia and pain. My pain jumps around. Right now I have the interstitial cystitis pain bladder pain/urinary burning, 90% of the day but worse at night. Before that it was my back (chronic pain), before that hips, thighs and sides of thighs (painful to the touch and without touch constantly), which is a lot less then when first diagnosed. Yes the fatigue (I’m tired), makes me feel guilty no matter what I tell myself). When I was first diagnosed I had so much pain I couldn’t walk, open doors, shower ( felt like needles) and so much more. Doctors were baffled. They were thinking multiple sclerosis. I was diagnosed by a neurologist by process of elimination. If I wrote down all the illnesses, chronic issues I’ve had I could write a book. YET now I’m better. I’m not suggesting you may have fibromyalgia Everyone has different symtoms and levels of pain and different things work for different people. Heating pad, biofreeze, ibuprofen, chiropractor are my best friends, but only help sometimes. I’m taking LDN , which has helped (see information on this site about it) and that’s it. When I was diagnosed (over 14 years ago) was given amitriptiline worked but caused QT longation. So was given Cymbalta and gabapentin, ( up to 2000 mg daily) these meds work somewhat.
But if I had it to do over again I would not have taken them for so long. Got myself off them ( with doctors assistance but she is GP and now I know I should have not done it as rapidly as I was told I could) . Got off because of side effects, was doing better and wanted to take LDN instead. I’m still dealing with long term side effects it left behind after over a year being off. Trial and error. But there is relief. We are constantly trying and sharing new things on this site. It’s really helped me. Prayers for you. Love and peace.

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@jeannesf1 your story sounds a lot like mine. The biggest frustration is the way the pain seems to move around. I’m on Suboxone, switched from Hydromorphone and that switch has helped. Also went from 60-30 mg of Cymbalta. Would like to get off but have been through lots of stress with my brother dying so am in a very bad flare. I’m now trying Lyrica for nerve pain going from my neck to the finger types. My family dr feels it’s the best option. So much trial and error. I’m 75 and have had this most of my life…

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Profile picture for daisy17 @daisy17

@kjs831 Yes, those are side effects, but as this article explains very few people experience them, "Naltrexone side effects low dose are typically mild and infrequent, affecting fewer than 8% of patients. Most people tolerate this medication well, but understanding what to expect helps you start treatment with confidence."
https://www.directintegrativecare.com/post/naltrexone-side-effects-low-dose
Regarding insomnia, as the article says, most sleep problems with LDN resolve in a couple weeks. In fact, LDN is often used to treat insomnia. https://neurolaunch.com/low-dose-naltrexone-sleep/

The other drugs typically prescribed for fibromyalgia (Cymbalta, Lyrica, Savella) are often addicting and can have severe side effects and only work for about 30% of the people who take them.

I only offer this as an option to check out because it basically cured my fibromyalgia and insomnia. I feel like it "re-set" my body back to where it was before getting fibro For me, it was a miracle.

It doesn't work immediately, as you have to start at a low dose and taper up to the maintenance dose, usually 4.5mg/day. After that it can take a couple months to begin to notice improvement. The only side effect I've noticed is vivid dreams, but not nightmares.

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@daisy17

I owe you an apology, I'm sorry I didn't research more before replying. My Dad is a Psychologist whose area of specialty is Addictions. He always says don't read the side effects for a drug unless there is a major problem, because there is actually research that shows your brain will automatically think you will end up with side effects. Do I listen, not all the time as you can see.
LDN sounds like it might be pretty helpful. Do you see a specialist for your Fibro? or just your PC?

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Profile picture for SusanEllen66 Susan McMichael @SusanEllen66

@kjs831 the fibromyalgia pain test is on certain points not the entire knee or arm.
Your tremors. Are they fast or slow?
If you watch a person on video who has Parkinson’s their tremors are slow.

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@SusanEllen66

I googled a "map" of where the pressure points are, and said ouch each time. My tremors in my left arm go back and forth. The nighttime full body tremors are fast. I had a DaT Scan done, and it showed no traits of Parkinsons. The first time the tremor in my left arm happened, I called my Shoulder Orthopedist. His PA called me and said put some heat on it and it if gets worse, go to the ER and let them check to make sure it's not a stroke. I was able to get video of it happening, and at my next appointment, showed it to the PA and she was baffled. I showed it to the Neurologist, and that coupled with the full body tremors at night, are why I had all the tests done. I had a 4 day long at home EEG, when the Neuro downloaded the films, she could see the full body tremors happening while I was sleeping. However, she said my brain waves were normal during the tremors so they aren't seizures, but she has no explanation as to what's causing them. Everyone says I should be happy that the tests didn't find anything. But it's hard to do that when nobody knows what's happening. I'm thankful that when I saw my primary care a few weeks ago, she was open minded enough about either Chronic Fatigue or Fibro.

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Profile picture for coryl @coryl

@kjs831 it’s so hard for people who haven’t experienced what we do to understand. A diagnosis of fibromyalgia at least gives one justification and some people like Lady Gaga are speaking out and affirming the pain and fatigue. Try to be understanding while knowing you are right and they are ignorant or unwittingly believe our suffering. Take it one day at a time!🤗

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@coryl i watched documentary about Lady Gaga and her fibromyalgia years ago. In it she was getting massages at home, aromatherapy, etc but don’t remember if she was taking fibromyalgia meds. What stood out to me was when she said “I wish everyone with fibromyalgia could get the treatment that I get.”. Anyone by any chance know what that means? Is she cured or a lot better maybe with functional medicine treatments? It’s inhumane that insurance doesn’t provide what could help people with fibromyalgia. I was okay for a little while. Something works for me, then it doesn’t. I’ve been in a flare up for couple of weeks. I feel like I’m being tortured and punished. I’m so tired, mentally, physically and spiritually.

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I took it that she had one on one treatment whenever she wanted. At one point she was getting a massage while getting her makeup done. I don’t have the money or energy to get a massage anytime. She had access to healthy food and supplements with other people doing the cooking. I imagine she could do what she loved and then take the time to recover. Few of us have that freedom.

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