Reclast vs ?

Posted by maloc @maloc, 6 days ago

Hello!

Does anyone have any insights on my dilemma?

My past 2 dexa scans done a year apart show very mild osteopenia in hip and spine but osteoporosis (-4.1) in forearm. My TBS score shows normal bone structure, no osteopenia or osteoporosis. My doctor is telling me I need to do the Reclast infusion. She is not offering any pill form whatsoever and told me Reclast is basically the only way to go.

I am a very active, fit 65 year old. I am considering a REMS scan to sort out what is going on with my forearm. My endo didn’t have any good info on it and said DEXA is the way to go when diagnosing and prescribing. I have never fractured a bone. I am not looking to bring on new problems due to side effects. In the past I have reacted to a booster for whooping cough- full body rash for over a year, terrible experience that I have no desire to repeat.

I am hypothyroid and have been on synthroid for many years now. My calcium intake has not been great, sporadic at best, but committed now to improvement.

If anyone has any thoughts or past experiences that might help in my decision I thank you in advance!

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Can you get a second opinion? What is her rationale for prescribing reclast as a first osteoporosis medication? Sequencing of these medications is very important.

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Odd that your forearm is so different!!! I wonder if there’s a reason for that… also rare to even test forearms anyway. I would get a second opinion before doing anything. No rush.

My history:
I have osteoporosis and have taken Evenity and one Reclast infusion. Had troublesome side effects to both. Some improvement though. Had a compression fracture 5 years ago while skiing but none since, thankfully. I was surprised to learn I had osteoporosis!
Considering Tymlos now depending upon latest dexascan results. I am an active 67 year old woman.

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Odd that your forearm is so different!!! I wonder if there’s a reason for that… also rare to even test forearms anyway. I would get a second opinion before doing anything. No rush.

My history:
I have osteoporosis and have taken Evenity and one Reclast infusion. Had troublesome side effects to both. Some improvement though. Had a compression fracture 5 years ago while skiing but none since, thankfully. I was surprised to learn I had osteoporosis!
Considering Tymlos now depending upon latest dexascan results. I am an active 67 year old woman.

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@leslie2121
Thank you!! Did you have the fracture before your diagnosis and treatment? Thanks!

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Can you get a second opinion? What is her rationale for prescribing reclast as a first osteoporosis medication? Sequencing of these medications is very important.

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@gravity3
Hi! She said it has the fastest efficacy. I did not realize there is a sequencing…. She did not mention that.

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@leslie2121
Thank you!! Did you have the fracture before your diagnosis and treatment? Thanks!

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@maloc
I learned about my osteoporosis diagnosis at a wellness check. Went skiing before starting treatment (a few months later) and had the compression fracture skiing small bumps. Very painful but healed on its own. Was motivated to try drugs at that point.

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My understanding reclast just slows OP from progressing. I did the three year suggested infusions (1 each year) with no side effects. My DEXA showed improvement, but there is more your Endo doc should show you and that is the percentages of change over the years, which they measure. I thought DEXA was the gold standard, but there is more to it. You also want a doctor that specializes in Osteoporosis besides being boarded in Endocrinology. I have had Osteoporosis for over 20 years and did actonel as prescribed, then the reclast infusions and am now being prescribed Evenity for bone growth, since my percentages have worsened. DEXA did not show much change since 2014. Prolia was my doctor’s second choice, but you need to take another OP med after that. It is the same with Evenity you need to do another maintenance med after that like reclast. I too have no thyroid and on meds for that too. I do as much research as I can as it relates to OP and that is how I found Mayo Clinic Connect. Good to have support going through a medical condition. I appreciate all the information shared.

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@gravity3
Hi! She said it has the fastest efficacy. I did not realize there is a sequencing…. She did not mention that.

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@maloc

There is no prescribed sequencing. Everyone is different and has their own unique medical history. It in my case I find it important to do my own research, listen to other's experiences and outcomes so that I can be my own advocate. When I go to my providers I always have a list of questions. So, for instance Please tell me what factors did you consider to recommend this particular drug, what is the treatment plan that you are recommending and what are you seeing that would factor into the sequencing these drugs?

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hi, you might want to be tested for hyperparathyroidism. Low bone density in the distal forearm is often the first sign. Though they are completely different glands hypothyroidism often occurs with hyperparathyroidism. I would want serum PTH, calcium, ionized calcium, phosphorus and magnesium.

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@gravity3
Hi! She said it has the fastest efficacy. I did not realize there is a sequencing…. She did not mention that.

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@maloc Sequencing is a little complicated, at least I find it so. If you start with a bisphosphonate such as Reclast, it will blunt the effectiveness of an anabolic drug, such as Tymlos, Forteo or Evenity, that might be prescribed later. Those drugs are bone-builders. They usually are prescribed for more severe cases of osteoporosis. The conundrum is that if your T-scores worsen or you fracture while on the bisphosphonate and you/your doctor want to use a bone builder for improvement, the bisphosphonate you tried first will blunt the effectiveness of a bone-builder. I have two conflicting thoughts on this: (1) if T-scores are osteopenia or just mildly osteoporotic, take no drugs at this point. If/when things worsen, start with one of the anabolics. (2) take an anabolic even if T-scores are osteopenia or just mildly osteoporotic and build as much bone as you can while still in the early stages with the likely outcome (IMHO) of getting back into normal range. Then a bisphosphonate for maintenance afterwards, duration of which to be determined by monitoring by DEXA and/or blood turnover markers, The second course may not be possible though because insurance companies generally want to try the less expensive "little guns" before approving the much more costly "big guns."

In my case, I was diagnosed with severe osteoporosis at -3.9 in my spine (hip numbers osteopenia or just mildly osteoporotic). I was diagnosed after my second wrist break. I was prescribed alendronate, which I took for 3.5 years. In the interim I learned about the other drugs on my own. Had I known about them at the time, I would have asked to be put on a bone builder from the get-go. I am now in month 20 of teriparitide (Forteo). My DEXA in March showed 4.6% improvement in spine which is OK but still leaves me at -3.5 with a still degraded bone structure. I think I would have had better results had I not been on alendronate first.

You might find this article useful
https://medshadow.org/conditions-treatments/osteopenia-osteoporosis/osteoporosis-treatment-screening-medications/

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@gravity3
Hi! She said it has the fastest efficacy. I did not realize there is a sequencing…. She did not mention that.

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@maloc There are several research papers and presentations/videos by doctors and researchers about osteoporosis drug sequencing or order to take them. I don't want to post them all here, but search YouTube for Dr. Michael Lewiecki or Dr. Benjamin Leder for lots of detailed information.

For a quicker overview of sequencing try this one:
Osteoporosis Treatment: Best Order for Medications Explained


This video from Douglas Description: "Lucas ... explains that drug sequencing matters, with evidence showing the best results come from starting with anabolic (bone-building) drugs before transitioning to other therapies. ... "

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