Worth visiting Mayo Clinic for evaluation of idiopathic neuropathy?

Posted by rybren @rybren, Apr 22 12:13pm

Anyone been to Mayo for IPN? Diagnosed 2021 post Covid vaccines with bilateral Idiopathic PN. Had EMG, ultra sounds, anti body testing, all types of diagnostic testing has been completed by PPC and Neurologist. On Gabapentin 3x a day 300 mg. Try everything local MD’s could muster. Now I am on the not much else we can do for you- good luck train. Love to hear of others made this leap. 5-7 day commitment in MN.
Thanks if you have input.

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Without going through all my old files, I can tell you that it was a complete soup-to-nuts evaluation, starting from scratch, that went on for four days. They looked at previous MRIs, EMGs, blood work, etc., but didn't rely on anyone else's work, and did every relevant and appropriate test themselves. The first two days, I think there were 4 or 5 tests each day. There were two neurologists looking at the test results as they went along. On the fourth day they discussed having me come back for another nerve biopsy, but they ultimately decided to try IVIG first, since any nerve biopsy is going to do some degree of permanent damage.
I left Rochester very impressed with the thoroughness of the testing and evaluation. One great advantage is that the team is all there on the scene and are talking to each other. (Most of us have had, or know of, experiences where lack of communication between members of the treatment team has caused problems. The way the comprehensive visits to Mayo are structured, this is not an issue.)
My only "complaints," if you can even call them that, is that the treatment approach was very conservative based on my age at the time (76), and I wish there had been more discussion of a physical therapy and exercise program. But what Mayo focuses on is diagnosis, especially of difficult or idiopathic disorders -- and they are very good at that. Once you have an accurate diagnosis, there are many local options available for treatment programs.

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Without going through all my old files, I can tell you that it was a complete soup-to-nuts evaluation, starting from scratch, that went on for four days. They looked at previous MRIs, EMGs, blood work, etc., but didn't rely on anyone else's work, and did every relevant and appropriate test themselves. The first two days, I think there were 4 or 5 tests each day. There were two neurologists looking at the test results as they went along. On the fourth day they discussed having me come back for another nerve biopsy, but they ultimately decided to try IVIG first, since any nerve biopsy is going to do some degree of permanent damage.
I left Rochester very impressed with the thoroughness of the testing and evaluation. One great advantage is that the team is all there on the scene and are talking to each other. (Most of us have had, or know of, experiences where lack of communication between members of the treatment team has caused problems. The way the comprehensive visits to Mayo are structured, this is not an issue.)
My only "complaints," if you can even call them that, is that the treatment approach was very conservative based on my age at the time (76), and I wish there had been more discussion of a physical therapy and exercise program. But what Mayo focuses on is diagnosis, especially of difficult or idiopathic disorders -- and they are very good at that. Once you have an accurate diagnosis, there are many local options available for treatment programs.

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@edva1943 And, by the way, as others have indicated, Medicare pays for almost everything. As I recall, the only think they didn't pay for was the PSA test, since I had already had one recently. I didn't argue with that.

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Without going through all my old files, I can tell you that it was a complete soup-to-nuts evaluation, starting from scratch, that went on for four days. They looked at previous MRIs, EMGs, blood work, etc., but didn't rely on anyone else's work, and did every relevant and appropriate test themselves. The first two days, I think there were 4 or 5 tests each day. There were two neurologists looking at the test results as they went along. On the fourth day they discussed having me come back for another nerve biopsy, but they ultimately decided to try IVIG first, since any nerve biopsy is going to do some degree of permanent damage.
I left Rochester very impressed with the thoroughness of the testing and evaluation. One great advantage is that the team is all there on the scene and are talking to each other. (Most of us have had, or know of, experiences where lack of communication between members of the treatment team has caused problems. The way the comprehensive visits to Mayo are structured, this is not an issue.)
My only "complaints," if you can even call them that, is that the treatment approach was very conservative based on my age at the time (76), and I wish there had been more discussion of a physical therapy and exercise program. But what Mayo focuses on is diagnosis, especially of difficult or idiopathic disorders -- and they are very good at that. Once you have an accurate diagnosis, there are many local options available for treatment programs.

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@edva1943 thank you for your response. This is very helpful!

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@rasmataz49 I just filed an appointment request and they had someone call me. There is a process and insurance probably helps get in.

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My experience at Mayo Clinic Neurology involved an extensive evaluation, including a detailed history and multiple tests across different departments—such as a painful EMG , hearing and heat studies, bloodwork, etc.

$$$$ later there was no clear cause identified for my idiopathic peripheral neuropathy. I was referred to a pain specialist who recommended starting gabapentin and gradually increasing the dose, which did not provide meaningful relief and the side effects outweighed any benefits. In short, I did not find the process helpful.”

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My experience at Mayo Clinic Neurology involved an extensive evaluation, including a detailed history and multiple tests across different departments—such as a painful EMG , hearing and heat studies, bloodwork, etc.

$$$$ later there was no clear cause identified for my idiopathic peripheral neuropathy. I was referred to a pain specialist who recommended starting gabapentin and gradually increasing the dose, which did not provide meaningful relief and the side effects outweighed any benefits. In short, I did not find the process helpful.”

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this is my concern about getting a neuropathy diagnosis. The results might be helpful to the medical community but have no impact on the treatment etc. of the patient. After being diagnosed with cellulitis and seeing the alarm of the doctors treating me I decided to do a deep dive in Google. Still not clear about how I got it as I have no cuts or broken skin that they talk about. But maybe more scary is that I read that neuropathy can be progressive. I have seen my Neurologist, Primary Care doctor and more an noone has mentioned progression. Okay, I use a cane, shower chair, portable walker etc and thought that I was doing okay at this level but if it progresses it sounds like a wheelchair. This new info has gotten me down and feeling hopeless. My experience is that no doctor that I have seen so far, can talk about diabetic neuropathy with any information that would be helpful for me to know. And yes, I check my glucose level several times during the day to understand how foods, drinks impact my levels. Honestly felt like I was doing everything that I can to deal with this insidious problem but it appears that may not be true.

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This lack of helpful information from any doctor that I have seen so far leads me to believe that they themselves don't have any answers. Of course, they will never say this to you so instead of being helpful, they can be more troubling than the actual diagnosis. I would say the best info that I have received so far was found on the internet or here on this site. Do doctors take some sort of oath in medical school to never admit that they don't have answers. Very frustrating and just causes more worry for the patient.

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Without going through all my old files, I can tell you that it was a complete soup-to-nuts evaluation, starting from scratch, that went on for four days. They looked at previous MRIs, EMGs, blood work, etc., but didn't rely on anyone else's work, and did every relevant and appropriate test themselves. The first two days, I think there were 4 or 5 tests each day. There were two neurologists looking at the test results as they went along. On the fourth day they discussed having me come back for another nerve biopsy, but they ultimately decided to try IVIG first, since any nerve biopsy is going to do some degree of permanent damage.
I left Rochester very impressed with the thoroughness of the testing and evaluation. One great advantage is that the team is all there on the scene and are talking to each other. (Most of us have had, or know of, experiences where lack of communication between members of the treatment team has caused problems. The way the comprehensive visits to Mayo are structured, this is not an issue.)
My only "complaints," if you can even call them that, is that the treatment approach was very conservative based on my age at the time (76), and I wish there had been more discussion of a physical therapy and exercise program. But what Mayo focuses on is diagnosis, especially of difficult or idiopathic disorders -- and they are very good at that. Once you have an accurate diagnosis, there are many local options available for treatment programs.

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@edva1943 Absolutely right! When I left Mayo in Rochester, I felt that with the testing and immediate results available, it is a great place to go to get answers. They can tell you what you have but likely not tell you why you have PN. My dx was idiopathic and like many others it was suggested that I follow up with my neurologist. And now 6 years later, all my test results are still on-line. They just don't have answers on how to fix people with PN. Ed

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In my case, going to Mayo/Rochester for a full workup and evaluation was definitely worth it. My symptoms first appeared almost 40 years ago (around 1987), but it wasn't until the early 2000s that my PCP referred me to a local neurologist, who in turned referred me to Johns Hopkins, I spent about 15 years going to Hopkins and another teaching school, with too many MRIs to count, plus many NCT and EMGs, and two nerve biopsies. The best they could do was to call it ideopathic. Finally, in 2019 I went to Mayo for a four-day workup. Their tentative diagnosis was CIDP, and I was also told that if treatment didn't work, I'd be in a wheelchair in five years. After I responded to IVIG and displayed moderate improvement, they were 99% certain of the diagnosis. I'm now 83, and have continued to stabilize, with very gradual improvement and reduced falls. I walk with one or two assistive devices -- but I'm still on my feet. Every case is different, but in my case it was certainly worth the trip to Mayo.

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@edva1943

what is IVIG.

Terry

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@edva1943

what is IVIG.

Terry

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@terryjee Intravenous Immunoglobulin = IVIG. Often given on a regular schedule over a long period of time.

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@terryjee Intravenous Immunoglobulin = IVIG. Often given on a regular schedule over a long period of time.

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@edva1943 has it worked for the neuropathy

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