PMR and Depression

Posted by thereselefever @thereselefever, Jan 26 11:40am

For almost three years I have been tapering off Prednisone. I am on a cocktail of medication, including pregabalin, tyeene, prednisone, and sometimes celebrex. And yet, the pain is there, always there. Sometimes debilitating, sometimes on a good day tweeks just to remind me it is there. I get up in the morning and go directly to the cocktail that is going to (in an hour or two) allow me to move around with limited pain. I then usually have a few hours in which I get to work and am able to do my job without thinking about PMR. Bur around afternoon and by dinner I am left wondering if I have it in me to make dinner and walk the dogs.

Then I get up and do the same the next day.

My doctor believes the pain is real but insists I should not go back up on my dose. She is, of course, right as I know the downfalls of being on a steroid for too long. I see what ill effects it has on the rest of my body. What is the lesser evil?

Most days my husband treats me like I am an 80 year old (I am 62). He can't help it. He sees the pain and doesn't want me to endure it. Pain is a terrible thing to have every day, and I am becoming depressed. I see a therapist and I am deeply spiritual with a tremendous support system.

Just curious if anyone else feels the same? And if this is addressed in any other forum?
Peace.
Therese

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Profile picture for petermccarville @petermccarville

@susanalka . Sorry to hear about your depression and it getting worse on PMR. I was scared to death when in the early days of PMR. The cytokines (IL-6) does not help. It is an evil cytokine that encourages and one might say causes depression. I had, not only pain, but terribly violent and depressing dreams before I got on prednisone. I was morose and quite down about my future. I thought my life was over. Upon starting 15 mg of prednisone, I felt better each hour. By day two I did not have any nightmares and I slept better than I had in years. For me, prednisone was a godsend. It stopped all the depression. I had hope and was elated. I was not wired but actually functioned better mentally than I had been. Strange, but it (pred) calmed me, not wired me. Yes, I eventually got the digits about pred as everyone does, knowing it is also probably destroying you in other ways. I have been off now since March 1st. Took me 9 months to taper off. So far no PMR. Good luck and work with your prescribing doctor on anti depression meds.

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@petermccarville thank you very much. This disease is definitely not a one size fits all journey. Good luck on your journey, too.

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Profile picture for mark2471 @mark2471

Those of us (myself included) who tend toward introversion, are good listeners, are happy to help others, and have difficulty saying no may have learned this behavior in childhood. A healthy dose of these behaviors I think makes for a happier society. But, if carried too far, can result in a person feeling depleted. You can find a good analysis of this phenomenon in the writings of Dr. Gabor Mate, particularly “The Myth of Normal.” If you have not explored his writings, you might find them helpful.

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@mark2471 I’ve listened to Dr Mate! My therapist suggested it (who I started seeing after getting so depressed about my diagnosis of PMR). It was eye opening to hear things that did relate to me, my upbringing, my repression of feelings, being “nice” etc., & the awareness that these can translate to our autoimmune problems later in life. Y’all can go to U-tube and watch. See what you find speaks to you (or not).

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Profile picture for susanalka @susanalka

@dadcue thanks Mike. I don’t open up to others but feel completely safe here. Having contact with others in this group has been invaluable. Please don’t stop writing. It’s reassuring that we can connect with others and are heard.

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@susanalka
Totally agree. PMR is depressing because it's like someone flipped a switch on us and all of a sudden we can't do the things we could do before this. I was never a runner, a gym rat or a fitness fanatic but I enjoyed doing what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it. Even the simple things are now difficult and I have absolutely no stamina. I feel like I aged 20 years in the blink of an eye. Some days it's really difficult not to feel robbed of time at a time of my life where time is so precious.

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Profile picture for susanalka @susanalka

Has anyone experienced increased depression and sadness on prednisone for over a year? I am currently on 4mg, down from 20 mg. I have had a few flares and recently had a bout of sciatica. I am suddenly overwhelmed with even simple tasks. I’m an artist and stopped painting to spend more time being physically active and gardening. I’m an introvert but a good listener so people tend to unload on me while I hardly get a word in. Afterwards I’m exhausted. I’ve been on a low dose of sertraline for years. Maybe this isn’t PMR issue?

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I highly recommend Wendy Jones, Somatic Guided Meditations on YouTube. It has really helped me to feel the connection between the brain and the body and how important it is for healing!

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Profile picture for kare1 @kare1

@mark2471 I’ve listened to Dr Mate! My therapist suggested it (who I started seeing after getting so depressed about my diagnosis of PMR). It was eye opening to hear things that did relate to me, my upbringing, my repression of feelings, being “nice” etc., & the awareness that these can translate to our autoimmune problems later in life. Y’all can go to U-tube and watch. See what you find speaks to you (or not).

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@kare1
Nice. He has some great stuff on you tube. Glad you are feeling better.

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Profile picture for susanalka @susanalka

Has anyone experienced increased depression and sadness on prednisone for over a year? I am currently on 4mg, down from 20 mg. I have had a few flares and recently had a bout of sciatica. I am suddenly overwhelmed with even simple tasks. I’m an artist and stopped painting to spend more time being physically active and gardening. I’m an introvert but a good listener so people tend to unload on me while I hardly get a word in. Afterwards I’m exhausted. I’ve been on a low dose of sertraline for years. Maybe this isn’t PMR issue?

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I was pleased to see this discussion. I am almost 80 years old and 18 months on prednisone and tapering to 4.5. Have developed pre-diabetes, iron deficiency and my neuropathy is worse. Still pain in some part of my body all the time. I’m trying hard to just push through the pain and still be as normal and active as possible. I’m generally an extrovert - enjoy talking with people. But I’ve find myself just breaking into short bursts of tears with seemingly no reason. I can share with friends about the PMR but don’t want to share about this. I haven’t shared too much about tears with my doctor either. I also find myself thinking/ worrying about new projects and wondering if I can accomplish new tasks without too much pain. When I finally get off prednisone will these bouts of fear and tears go away? Anyone else experiencing this?
Thanks for being there for all of us! This is a crazy condition.

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@susanalka
Totally agree. PMR is depressing because it's like someone flipped a switch on us and all of a sudden we can't do the things we could do before this. I was never a runner, a gym rat or a fitness fanatic but I enjoyed doing what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it. Even the simple things are now difficult and I have absolutely no stamina. I feel like I aged 20 years in the blink of an eye. Some days it's really difficult not to feel robbed of time at a time of my life where time is so precious.

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@kjoed53 I hear you. I was not prepared for this. Take care and stay connected here.

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Profile picture for Mike @dadcue

A known side effect of Prednisone is to exacerbate and/or induce mood disorders. PMR doesn't help the situation.

That is the greatest thing about forums like this. Feel free to express how you feel here. It doesn't have to be a one-sided expression of feelings. Everyone here is free to share their personal experiences with PMR and various treatments. People are also free to take on as much or as little information as they can handle.

It is clear that people have lots of emotions while on Prednisone. Everyone has unique feelings just as PMR symptoms are unique.

I'm an introvert by nature too. I struggled with expressing my ideas all of my life. On this forum, I think I'm a prolific writer virtually about things I would never publicly discuss in person. Sometimes maybe I'm too prolific. Maybe I should keep things to myself but I feel better after I post about my personal experiences.

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@dadcue I agree it is good to be able to share with others your experience. Though in saying that, I tend to keep all the really difficult stuff inside so as not to bring other people down. The closest people to me almost don't want to accept when I can't find a silver lining or make me feel like I'm overly sensitive, so I don't trust anyone with my deepest feelings except my therapist. I am grateful for this group and for everyone sharing.

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Profile picture for rosi75 @rosi75

@dadcue I agree it is good to be able to share with others your experience. Though in saying that, I tend to keep all the really difficult stuff inside so as not to bring other people down. The closest people to me almost don't want to accept when I can't find a silver lining or make me feel like I'm overly sensitive, so I don't trust anyone with my deepest feelings except my therapist. I am grateful for this group and for everyone sharing.

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@rosi75
Yes. I totally get it. People ask how you are but they really want you to say fine. After we figure that out, we do. We say we are good, fine, all is well.
Bottom line is no one knows how awful this disease is except those of us going through it.
I am over a year in. Down to 2mg of prednisone. I'm off running/walking. My chronic tendonitis in my knee is back. My hands hurt. My legs ache. My neck is stiff but my options are live with it or increase the prednisone.
And the depression? Don't get me started.
Grab on to and enjoy the good days, and I mean the days when the happiness of other events in life outweigh the bad moments of this disease.

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Profile picture for rosi75 @rosi75

@dadcue I agree it is good to be able to share with others your experience. Though in saying that, I tend to keep all the really difficult stuff inside so as not to bring other people down. The closest people to me almost don't want to accept when I can't find a silver lining or make me feel like I'm overly sensitive, so I don't trust anyone with my deepest feelings except my therapist. I am grateful for this group and for everyone sharing.

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@rosi75 ditto below…..grab it and yell. Find a friend you can tell alllll too. DO NOT keep it inside.
My tell is the one that gets people to understand…
Making bed one day, my husband (of 50+yrs) walks in and I’m in tears 😭, barely able to stand up….he says “if you are in pain, just take another pain pill”.
He knows I hate meds…..I looked up from the floor and said…
“You don’t get it, it’s not the pain, it’s the ENDLESS pain no matter what I do”
He got the message, started doing the laundry 🤣🤣🤣, and in general “more aware” of how I truly felt.
You hve to share with your circle……they just don’t get the picture.
Good luck

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