My first support group

Posted by kpjnc @kpjnc, Feb 27 8:51am

Hello,
This is my first time engaging with a support group of any kind. I've been resistant to support groups because reading those conversations has made me feel even more hopeless and despondent. But this group seems different - or perhaps I'm different now. More likely the latter.
My husband was diagnosed with Alzheimer's in May 2024 when he was 65. He was still working at the time (he's an architect) but was let go from his job when his condition began effecting his work (despite his reasonable accommodation request, but that's another story). I had been caregiver to my mom and disabled older sister for the previous six years.
Fast forward to now - we have relocated to a beautiful part of the country, far away from the drama and trauma of caregiving and family who provide no support. I am feeling more peace now than I have in years, so I have no doubt the decision to move across country and the implications of that (concerning my sister's caregiving - our mother passed away in 2022) was absolutely the right thing to do. I need that peace to care for my husband as his condition progresses.
I feel stronger now, but as you all know, it's still hard regardless. It breaks my heart to see him losing so much of himself every day. But at the same time, he can irritate the hell out of me! For example, right now I'm irritated because he's still dozing in bed while I've started my workday. I work remotely full time, and he is in forced retirement. He still functions pretty well - can drive, bowl in leagues, follow a GPS - and is physically in fantastic shape. I've asked him to please get out of bed when I do because it irks me when I have to work while he just lounges around. I wish I could just lounge around every day. Ha! (By the way, he has no problem remembering when it's time to bowl and making the effort to bowl. So I see what he is capable of.)
In some ways, parts of personality are still in effect - he has always been rather self-centered and has trouble feeling empathy for others, including me. Thankfully, with his condition, he has become much sweeter and willing to engage with me on an emotional level. So as with everything, there are pros and cons. I try to hang onto the pros as much as I can, but it's hard when I'm so damn tired. This is not how I wanted to spend my "golden years" (I'm 61). None of us expected or wanted this for any time of our lives, right?
Anyway, I'm just venting here. I feel like crying, but I try not to do that too much around my husband. It's often easier to just push those feelings down and dive into my work, which I will do now.
Thank you so much for listening. Sending much love to all of you! Hang in there and I will too.
Kristi

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Kristi, welcome to my world as caregivers. Yes, the working thing while my husband is still upstairs sleeping. The elephant in the room! (or not in the room!) When he does get up and I'm asking him to engage on something we talked about days ago, he's forgotten and is not good at any logical decision making. He's not even interested in going there again. My husband is still independent too, although I'm not a doctor., but I think my husband is definitely more tired than he used to be. Why I want him to sleep. I'm not sure if that's the MCI and what's happening in the brain, or the lequembe infusions he's on. I think it's both. My husband is self-centered too, but as you describe, definitely sweeter. He was always kind, but since the MCI, I notice something different - in the way he interacts with me at times and definitely in the way he eats. It's almost childlike picky, plays with the food, moves the plate around to position it. As for the food, he drives me crazy, but it's his plate, after I've made it and served him. Clearing the table is interesting too. He'll help do the dishes, but leaves most of the after-mess on the table, doesn't clear the table, like we have talked about multiple times. It's interesting the quirks...things that he'd never did before that seem to bother him now. Driving in the car - yes he is still driving - is a directional challenge. He's okay, he can do it, but not knowing where he's going even with my Apple Maps where I'm telling him, he doesn't listen so that creates minor melt downs. Enough so, I just want to drive. He's obstinate, wants to go his way, but go figure when he doesn't even know the area, so how would he know what his way is? It's all so unbelievably challenging, but like you all, it's what we deal with every day. I'm going to a 6-week caregiver class at the hospital next week, so I'm very interested in what they share. As caregivers, we hope for the best...plan for the worst. Thanks, for your share, and welcome to this group. I try to post every day something of value - as I'm like a sieve with this group and have gotten so many informational "tidbits" for now and for later. Thanks, to all for sharing.

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@kjc48 kjc48 Please don't let him drive. He is driving by rote. In other words he can use the gas, brake and steering wheel , but is not thinking about where his is going, what comes next and what potential problems could occur. Would he be capable of slamming on the brakes if a child ran in front of him, a car stopped extra short, someone changed lanes, didn't look and cut him off? We all think our diagnosed loved ones are better than they are in decision making. Lack of adult decision making, inability to understand consequences and confusion about directions and locations are all higher level brain functions that are lost first.

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Hi Kristi -
Welcome to the group from another skeptical support group person who has been converted! This group is wonderful and so helpful with ideas and suggestions. I have never engaged in support groups before either, and was not inclined to do so at first, but I am very glad that I did. For me, not having my husband as a reliable sounding board any longer has been a big challenge, and this group has helped to fill the gap.
I wish I could say that I don't get irritated anymore, but that isn't true. I am 10 years in on this journey of watching and trying to support him through this slow decline and although I am MUCH better at handling the frustrations, I am far from perfect, and no matter how much more patience I can achieve, I find that something else changes and MORE patience is needed. Teepa Snow has some good videos on the "changing brain" (most are free on Youtube) that have helped me put things in perspective. The harsh reality is that my husband's brain is dying a little more each day, until one day a part that is in charge of running something really important like his heart or respirations is going to quit and then that will be the end. So even though I get frustrated when I discover a day later that he put the bottle of cream in the pantry closet instead of the refrigerator when he was "helping" me put away groceries, I try not to get upset or tell him in a way that might make him feel bad. I just deal with it and move on and remind myself that he really can't do tasks without supervision anymore. It's not his fault; his brain is just not working and no amount of explaining or trying to "teach him for next time" is going to work. His learning days are over. He does remember the things that are important to him "what's for dessert, today?" 🙂 - he never forgets to ask about that after dinner! Until I suppose one day he will. His ability to be empathetic or be appropriate in his conversation is long gone. He likes being with me and follows me about constantly, sometimes from room to room even when I am only getting one item and then returning, but he has no real appreciation for all of the things that I am handling now that he isn't. I stopped feeling resentful about that at some point, but I do remember being angry and very put out about it. It's still a lot that I have to do on my own with no rational partner to discuss things with, but I just realized one day that there is a very good likelihood that I will be doing all of this on my own when he is gone, so I better use the "now" to get the hang of it. I got all the passwords to things that I need access to, added my name to the accounts that didn't have mine on it (cable, Verizon, etc.), updated POA's Living Wills and all the legal paperwork. At least I have these years to get all of that in place while trying to make his declining years as pleasant and carefree as possible. It is easier now that he is out of the angry, combative phase that we went through. I gave up a career that I loved to be able to stay home and care for him. He is glad I'm home with him, but there isn't any real awareness or appreciation of the sacrifice that I made to make this happen. Like you, this was not at all our plan for retirement and our "golden years". We are taking one day at a time and trying to make the best of each day that we are blessed with.
Sending heart for you on this journey.

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@mm180 your comment about missing your “reliable sounding board” resonates with me, and probably many of us here. I think that is maybe the thing I miss the most…my best friend, with whom I could discuss anything, is no longer in the same place he’s always been. If there is something going on with one of our kids, I try not to mention it until he really needs to know, and even then, I don’t give too many details. It feels like skulking around behind his back, which I hate! … but he gets upset if it is something serious, asks a lot of questions (more than once!) and then totally forgets about it. Things that “in the olden days”, he would have been the one I’d discuss with, seek opinions of and hopefully come up with a plan can no longer happen. So yes, what you said; “we are taking one day at a time….” And I’m learning as we go. One tip that was suggested to me also - if not already in place, be sure your name is on the title to any vehicles. Best wishes to you-

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@kjc48 kjc48 Please don't let him drive. He is driving by rote. In other words he can use the gas, brake and steering wheel , but is not thinking about where his is going, what comes next and what potential problems could occur. Would he be capable of slamming on the brakes if a child ran in front of him, a car stopped extra short, someone changed lanes, didn't look and cut him off? We all think our diagnosed loved ones are better than they are in decision making. Lack of adult decision making, inability to understand consequences and confusion about directions and locations are all higher level brain functions that are lost first.

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@gilkesl Thank you for reaching out and telling me what I should know. All these changes of things he shouldn't do, and trying to convince him why. You are correct. Confusion about directions and locations, with your reference of being able to act quickly if a child or adult got in front of him, so many things to consider and worry about. But your share, reminds me that along with paying the bills, driving, is now an issue. Thanks for the share.

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@kjc48 kjc48 Please don't let him drive. He is driving by rote. In other words he can use the gas, brake and steering wheel , but is not thinking about where his is going, what comes next and what potential problems could occur. Would he be capable of slamming on the brakes if a child ran in front of him, a car stopped extra short, someone changed lanes, didn't look and cut him off? We all think our diagnosed loved ones are better than they are in decision making. Lack of adult decision making, inability to understand consequences and confusion about directions and locations are all higher level brain functions that are lost first.

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@gilkesl
Exactly. I am so scared and worried for the folks that mention their person is still driving.
My husband thought he was still fine to drive, and it took a near miss that could have killed all of us.
Don't wait for a near miss, or worse!
Also, if you know your loved one has dementia and still allow them to drive, you could be legally liable if there is a collision or fatality.

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Regarding driving, the most dangerous limitation for people with dementia and other older people is the loss of reaction time. Your brain has to see the road, interpret what it sees then tell your muscles to react. My husband had several minor accidents that convinced me to tell him that I thought he should stop driving. He did not fight me on it because of his history of accidents and coming home with the passenger side rear view mirror missing and not knowing why it wasn't there anymore. The Automobile Club of America has a CD that is about older drivers. It is able to check your reaction time with an experiment of the person moving to the computer screen to click a response from a chair some feet away. The CD is called "Roadwise Review". The copy I have is from 2004 when I got it to test my Dad to show him that he shouldn't drive. It was easier to accept, I think, coming from a third party instead of me. Maybe check with your local AAA office to see if they still have something like this. Good luck.

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@gilkesl Thank you for reaching out and telling me what I should know. All these changes of things he shouldn't do, and trying to convince him why. You are correct. Confusion about directions and locations, with your reference of being able to act quickly if a child or adult got in front of him, so many things to consider and worry about. But your share, reminds me that along with paying the bills, driving, is now an issue. Thanks for the share.

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@kjc48 My 82, soon to be 83 year old mother has dementia. The other night she said, "I am just going to have to drive down to see you." I live 36 miles away. I told her she can't drive because her license is expired. She told me she needs to get that renewed. She also has heart disease, non-alcoholic cirrhosis and type 2 diabetes. Rather than argue or try to convey to her that she can't drive, I redirected the conversation to something else. Her short term memory is such that this is fairly simple. What is hard for me, is she is still so much herself. It is hard to remember that she will forget what we are talking about. I have to take this life one day at a time. I read this this morning and it resonated with me.

This day is a beautiful room that’s never been seen before. Let me
cherish the seconds, minutes, and hours I spend here. Help me to
think before I speak and pray before I act.

Hang in there and thank you for joining this great group of people. Reading about others and their experiences helps me so much and most likely everyone else.

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@kjc48 My 82, soon to be 83 year old mother has dementia. The other night she said, "I am just going to have to drive down to see you." I live 36 miles away. I told her she can't drive because her license is expired. She told me she needs to get that renewed. She also has heart disease, non-alcoholic cirrhosis and type 2 diabetes. Rather than argue or try to convey to her that she can't drive, I redirected the conversation to something else. Her short term memory is such that this is fairly simple. What is hard for me, is she is still so much herself. It is hard to remember that she will forget what we are talking about. I have to take this life one day at a time. I read this this morning and it resonated with me.

This day is a beautiful room that’s never been seen before. Let me
cherish the seconds, minutes, and hours I spend here. Help me to
think before I speak and pray before I act.

Hang in there and thank you for joining this great group of people. Reading about others and their experiences helps me so much and most likely everyone else.

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@diverdown1 Yes the day, is a beautiful room that's never been seen before. It's hard to cherish the seconds, minutes, and hours, but we have to. And this lovely share reminds me of that. So thank you for reaching out.

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@callmegram I am glad to read that your husband is willing to talk and has become kinder. We are currently in a similar place.
BUT-Since I now have to learn the ins and outs of finances, and basically run both of our lives at this point, I find I am short of patience on days when he wants to know what I’m doing, and talks a lot…and I can’t keep a string of thoughts going in my own head, which at times, is very important! How do you manage quiet/thinking time? Best wishes. So grateful for this group!
And Kristi, welcome to this group! I was quiet when I first joined, but people here are so wonderfully supportive and helpful! Welcome!

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@2me
Quiet thinking time, hmmm, that would be now, in the middle of the night, when my insomnia kicks in.😫 Managing everything, while caring for, basically, a toddler, is challenging at best, overwhelming at worst. At 82 I’ve been on this journey with my husband, who is 86, for at least twelve
years (we have been married for 63 years). It has moved slowly, but we are now at the stage where I take care of, pretty much, everything! This includes our rental properties which are located in a different state, a 14 hour journey by car.😵‍💫 This was not in our plan, it happened suddenly after we travelled south to our vacation condo, six months ago. My husband had a severe reaction to the change in environment and I realized he could no longer travel…this is where we need to stay. Soooo, I am now a long distance property manger, until I can divest of them…and that’s a slow process. My current dilemma is arranging for family to stay with him, while I travel north, for three weeks. I need to take care of emptying and repairing our primary home, with the hopes of getting it on the market as soon as possible. I also have a major repair on a rental, due to the extreme winter. Quiet thinking time is what I need, to make a viable plan, to get quotes from contractors, schedule work, and make flight reservations…driving, especially alone, would no longer be safe. It’s a lot of coordinating, which sometimes makes me testy, when hubby interrupts, with “what’s for lunch?” or dinner or where’s my …. Today, I was on the verge of a meltdown. The condo security guard pasted two large warning stickers on my front windshield…because my owner’s decal expired five days ago….Really!!!Two stickers…and, I was parked in a handicap spot, with a proper placard, because of a lifelong walking disability! I couldn’t reach to get both of them off, and I was wasting part of my limited time for errands.😝 The kindness of one of the staff, in the pass office, touched my heart. It made me realize, once again, that I am not alone. Pam, insisted on putting the decal on my windshield…when she saw the remnants of the warning notices, she grabbed her windex bottle and scraper and went
to work.🤗 I’d love to say my day went better after that but, alas, it did not. However, I had this inexplicable feeling of a comforting presence…I call it my guardian angel…that stayed with me for hours.
I am also very grateful that I was forced into the decision to make this our primary home. We are now in a better place for both of us. The condo lifestyle is easier, the warmer weather gets us out and about more, and we have developed friendships, over the fourteen years as part time residents. I don’t know where this journey will take us, but I do know I’m not alone.
Many blessings to you on your journey.

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@2me
Quiet thinking time, hmmm, that would be now, in the middle of the night, when my insomnia kicks in.😫 Managing everything, while caring for, basically, a toddler, is challenging at best, overwhelming at worst. At 82 I’ve been on this journey with my husband, who is 86, for at least twelve
years (we have been married for 63 years). It has moved slowly, but we are now at the stage where I take care of, pretty much, everything! This includes our rental properties which are located in a different state, a 14 hour journey by car.😵‍💫 This was not in our plan, it happened suddenly after we travelled south to our vacation condo, six months ago. My husband had a severe reaction to the change in environment and I realized he could no longer travel…this is where we need to stay. Soooo, I am now a long distance property manger, until I can divest of them…and that’s a slow process. My current dilemma is arranging for family to stay with him, while I travel north, for three weeks. I need to take care of emptying and repairing our primary home, with the hopes of getting it on the market as soon as possible. I also have a major repair on a rental, due to the extreme winter. Quiet thinking time is what I need, to make a viable plan, to get quotes from contractors, schedule work, and make flight reservations…driving, especially alone, would no longer be safe. It’s a lot of coordinating, which sometimes makes me testy, when hubby interrupts, with “what’s for lunch?” or dinner or where’s my …. Today, I was on the verge of a meltdown. The condo security guard pasted two large warning stickers on my front windshield…because my owner’s decal expired five days ago….Really!!!Two stickers…and, I was parked in a handicap spot, with a proper placard, because of a lifelong walking disability! I couldn’t reach to get both of them off, and I was wasting part of my limited time for errands.😝 The kindness of one of the staff, in the pass office, touched my heart. It made me realize, once again, that I am not alone. Pam, insisted on putting the decal on my windshield…when she saw the remnants of the warning notices, she grabbed her windex bottle and scraper and went
to work.🤗 I’d love to say my day went better after that but, alas, it did not. However, I had this inexplicable feeling of a comforting presence…I call it my guardian angel…that stayed with me for hours.
I am also very grateful that I was forced into the decision to make this our primary home. We are now in a better place for both of us. The condo lifestyle is easier, the warmer weather gets us out and about more, and we have developed friendships, over the fourteen years as part time residents. I don’t know where this journey will take us, but I do know I’m not alone.
Many blessings to you on your journey.

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@jniels Wow. What a lot of hurdles you are facing, in addition to the main one that brought us all here! This Mayo Connect group has been so supportive and wonderful. How terrific you have family that will stay with your husband while you tend to the sale of your primary residence! We, too had a second home where it was warm, but we elected to return to where we’ve lived most of our lives, because of proximity to family. I’m happy with our decision, but it’s been quite the winter. I’m hopeful that Spring will help both of our outlooks, but especially my husband’s, as his balance is not good, so getting out and just being outside should help a lot, once the weather improves. How wonderful you have “Pams” in your life! What a kind gesture from her, and it probably helped you more than she knew. Best wishes in the repairs and sale of your home.

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@jniels Wow. What a lot of hurdles you are facing, in addition to the main one that brought us all here! This Mayo Connect group has been so supportive and wonderful. How terrific you have family that will stay with your husband while you tend to the sale of your primary residence! We, too had a second home where it was warm, but we elected to return to where we’ve lived most of our lives, because of proximity to family. I’m happy with our decision, but it’s been quite the winter. I’m hopeful that Spring will help both of our outlooks, but especially my husband’s, as his balance is not good, so getting out and just being outside should help a lot, once the weather improves. How wonderful you have “Pams” in your life! What a kind gesture from her, and it probably helped you more than she knew. Best wishes in the repairs and sale of your home.

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@2me Thank you.
I have accepted that it may take multiple trips to get the job done and I’m ok with that. I miss my friends, up north, but they are all aging like us, and four of our five children are scattered from east to west. One daughter still lives thirty minutes from that home and is always more than willing to help. However, her husband has cancer, and she has a demanding profession. In the end, the decision was made for us. We have been fortunate to have traveled extensively, and although I have a treasure trove of memories, I miss the adventure. Living in a beautiful warm environment is a help, when I put, yet another, travel brochure or email in the trash. Seeing the positive affect living here has had on my husband makes it all ok.

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