Lessons learned when partner had surgery with Lewy body dementia
Well , unfortunately my wife fell and broke her elbow. We has surgery yesterday to put a pin in. Lessons I learned:
Don't listen to the docs or nurses about discontinuing meds before surgery, especially any parkinsons or dementia drugs. Or put up a fight.
Expect the following day/days to be bad. Extra dilusions, paranoia, dealing with pain. So I'm supposed to do the tylenol/ibuprofen routine involving 15 pills a day for pain. Alternating those. My wife hates pills. Tried liquid tylenol-too sweet and spit it out. They will give you a bottle of opioids just in case. Don't use them they will make dillusions worse. Just skipping pain meds doesn't work. Pain triggers them.
We had a very good experience with the hospital and staff. But I felt they had not dealt with LBD patients. They said they operate on dementia patients all the time.
We had all the poa papers done years ago for times like this. But the neurologist had not declared her incompetent to make her own decisions thus authorizing me to sign and make decisions. If it hadn't been an emergency, they would have delayed or postponed the surgery. Her neurologist should have done the paper work 2 years ago. I just wasn't aware of the need. He did respond quickly and had the papers done in 30 minutes.
I was 3 ft away when she fell. I looks away for seconds.
I don't know how long the extra paranoia will go on. Days they say possibly with LBD. I have gotten some great help from family with food and offers for help. But this is now harder...
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Try mixing in something she likes maybe applesauce.
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1 ReactionMy husband had back surgery back in 2016 and didn't wake up for 3 days. He then spent two weeks in the Hospital's Rehab Unit and then a few months in PT, OT and Speech Therapy regaining both physical and cognitive losses. In 2017 he was diagnosed with Parkinsonism. In 2018, he fell and fractured his shoulder. He was given Oxycodin for the pain. He had a total of 4 doses and it took a week for it to get out of his system during which he was confused, disoriented and hallucinating. In 2021 I took him to the Mayo Clinic where he was diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia. In 2025 he's in a skilled care unit because of his physical needs. He remembers the code to exit the unit but forgets how to get to the bathroom in his room or what to do when he gets there. Lewy Body Dementia is a cruel disease.
The last time he went to the ER I had to stomp my foot and insist the Doctor treating him called the Neurologist on call. She didn't seem to understand that certain drugs can cause someone with Lewy Body to lose cognitive abilities and that the loss can be permanent. This is information obtained from Mayo. The Clinic has several good booklets on the disease.
None of this is easy but the emotional toll is the hardest. When I was reading these posts this morning the tears started. Two years ago when I moved him to Assisted Living was the hardest and the tears would come at any small trigger. He had been next to me for 51 years and that was were he was supposed to be. It has gotten easier but far from easy. It does help to hear from others going through the same process.
Prayers for you all!
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9 Reactions@turtle4115 This is terrible to hear but so valuable to share. My husband and I are also on the LBD journey. We are doing OK for the most part but are facing hernia surgery in a few weeks. Our surgeon has been in contact with my husband’s Mayo neurologist before, when he was anesthetized during colonoscopy, but I need to bring it up again. Thank you.
You said your husband is in assisted living. Is that due to his physical or cognitive needs or both? Assisted living can be an easier situation than memory care, but it is so hard to know what to expect about different types of living situations, if and when the time comes.
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2 Reactions@joedeb How are you and she doing today?
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2 Reactions@nelms My husband moved to Assisted Living the week of Thanksgiving 2023 because of physical issues. My sleep was being disturbed every night and I was failing. January 2025 he was moved to nursing care. He had become less stable. His balance wasn't good and I changed him from a rollator to a basic walker so his speed couldn't get out of control and cause a fall. Our journey has been interesting. We put paint tape on the floor to remind him how to get to the toilet, his bathroom is in his room. He gets to the bathroom and forgets what to do next but remembered the code to get out of the building. Anything that requires more than one step to do is a challenge which is almost everything yet on a good day he can carry on a conversation. Processing is the primary target of LBD. Yesterday he was concerned about how much he is sleeping during the day. I didn't have the heart to remind him that it's just the LBD progressing. It is truly a cruel disease. My best advice to you is read everything you can so you aren't caught off guard by the numerous curve balls that come at you and have your plan B for when you have to choose between endangering your health and taking care of yourself so you can continue to be his advocate and spouse. My prayers are with you and your family.
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She is doing better. I have had to adjust how I get pain meds in her. blend with foods like apple sauce hasn't worked for me. I have managed, up to yesterday, to make most of the food she eats taste bad. That's not good. I did some more research on chatgpt, which I highly recommend, and am now using stronger heavier foods. Last night I mixed her pain meds in a little ice cream and heavy dark chocolate syrup. It went right down. This morning I put crushed meds in a spoon of honey and it went right down. Follow up quickly with milk or another drink. Use something to coat the taste buds on the tongue until the bitter stuff gets past it. I don't know how long anesthetics remain in a person with LBD. Another thing I have learned is she can't or won't tell me if she is having pain. My only clues are she has discomfort or extra shaking or she gets upset and angry. It helps so much for us to get outside and go for car rides or any activity outside. Thanks for caring..
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4 Reactions@joedeb
Avoid warm foods for pain meds. Limit the drugs in 2 small spoonfuls. I was puting them in a bigger serving thinking dilute them but that just makes the whole bowl taste bad. You may only get a couple of spoons down. Have liquids right there to help rinse mouth
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1 Reaction@turtle4115 I think the floor tape is an excellent idea. I’ve seen it used in rehab centers for brain trauma patients as well
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1 Reaction@turtle4115 thank you so very much. This is advice I need to hear and heed.
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1 ReactionMy husband with PD and dementia and osteoporosis fell and broke his hip and needed surgery to pin it back together. He had previously had a very bad reaction to anesthesia for an endoscopy and colonoscopy to look for a GI bleed. It was so awful that we decided he shouldn't have his inguinal hernia mended because it would require general anesthesia.
So when he was having the hip surgery I spoke to the anesthesiologist and asked her to go lightly because of his reaction. I learned later that sometimes epidurals are used instead of generals. He still had a negative reaction post surgery but after a few weeks he recovered. He has never regained the ability to walk with any stability despite lots of PT including the Big program because he can't remember what he learned. He needs constant prompting to take bigger steps with the walker. I basically hover behind him wherever he goes with my hands out ready to catch him. This has so far reduced his falls almost completely however you can't take your eye of the ball for a moment!
I wish you well with your wife. It is extremely frustrating for both people, I am a calm, patient person by nature but even I begin to lose it when I'm woken up at night for the sixth or eighth time for another trip to the bathroom, or dry eyes, or general discomfort. I have to keep reminding myself that he just can't help it and that I must stop myself from expecting rational behavior!!
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