Late Dumping Syndrome and low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) experience?

Posted by Laurie, Volunteer Mentor @roch, Oct 11 6:53am

I am a mentor in this group, but also a patient that had Roux-en-Y gastric bypass surgery over 10+ years ago. Recently having problems with low blood sugar and starting process of being evaluated for at Mayo (where had surgery). Wore a Continuous Glucose Monitor (CGM), for two weeks that documented many drops of low blood sugar. My primary referred me to endocrinology, nutritionist and maybe Hypoglycemia Clinic. Waiting to hear back on scheduling appointments.

Primary told me yesterday it may be caused by dumping. I had misconception that dumping is when eat something and have diarrhea shortly after. But there are other symptoms of dumping including low blood sugar. If your small intestine receives a concentrated serving of sugar content, your small intestine may signal your pancreas to release extra insulin to regulate your blood sugar. This can cause your blood sugar to drop sharply (reactive hypoglycemia).

Mayo article on: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dumping-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20371915

Cleveland Clinic article:
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17835-dumping-syndrome
Like I to advice other members of Connect, I want to go to appointments prepared and with questions.

Interested in hearing from others who have experience Late Dumping Syndrome causing low blood sugar and how it was treated?

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In my experience, dumping syndrome is a catch-all for "we don't know what is going on but we are not surprised" side effects from the surgery, which in my case, included hypoglycemia years after the surgery. I have not been diagnosed with diabetes or pre-diabetes, which is, of course, the easy answer here.

I did recently (15 years after surgery) wear a CGM three times, for a couple of weeks each time, which was mildly informative -- it's important to be aware that no one really knows much about how to interpret CGM readings for people without diabetes, so we need to take them with a grain of salt. Especially and in particular, no one knows what glucose levels should be treated as abnormally low, or even how much volatility is normal. Also, over-the-counter CGMs are particularly unreliable for low glucose and more accurate for high glucose levels. (Which, when you think about it: fair. After all, high glucose is mostly what the technology was developed for.)

Also, in my case, the hypoglycemia was complicated by hypotension, which produces some similar symptoms and was fixed by eliminating statins from my polypharmacy. Fixing the hypotension really reduced the symptoms that had been attributed to the hypoglycemia.

Basically, if it's dumping syndrome, then the solution seems to be behavioral, which is to say, diet and exercise. I've added a LOT more fiber into my diet, which is a bit tricky when you aren't eating all that much in the first place. Also, since the problem seemed to be linked to morning migraines and overnight glucose lows, I started eating something with protein and fats (no carbs) immediately before bed (eg, hard boiled egg). If I were a better person, I would be exercising more regularly as well. In general, prioritizing protein and fats helps both the lows and the volatility, but I'm sure you are already doing that.

Sounds like they are trying to rule out the possibility that it's not dumping syndrome, though. If you haven't read this, you might want to: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK573079/.

I've recently been through a hunt for the basis of new peripheral neuropathy, and I have to say that the key thing I did was not to settle for "idiopathic". I was really stubborn, which finally led to a zebra diagnosis -- that is, something they swore to me in the beginning would not be the problem.

Ask them what they think the most likely causes are based on your symptoms/history/drugs/OTC supplements, how they expect to rule each cause in or out, how long it typically takes to diagnose them, and what you should be doing in the meantime to manage the symptoms. You should also ask whether there are any causes, regardless of likelihood, that should be ruled in or out as quickly as possible because delay could make treatment more difficult. (Beyond that, any discussion of low-likelihood possibilities can probably wait.)

You might also ask if there are mimics that could be causing your symptoms other than hypoglycemia, and that you should be exploring with some other specialist at the same time you are digging into the glucose issue. I can attest that this is possible.

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In my experience, dumping syndrome is a catch-all for "we don't know what is going on but we are not surprised" side effects from the surgery, which in my case, included hypoglycemia years after the surgery. I have not been diagnosed with diabetes or pre-diabetes, which is, of course, the easy answer here.

I did recently (15 years after surgery) wear a CGM three times, for a couple of weeks each time, which was mildly informative -- it's important to be aware that no one really knows much about how to interpret CGM readings for people without diabetes, so we need to take them with a grain of salt. Especially and in particular, no one knows what glucose levels should be treated as abnormally low, or even how much volatility is normal. Also, over-the-counter CGMs are particularly unreliable for low glucose and more accurate for high glucose levels. (Which, when you think about it: fair. After all, high glucose is mostly what the technology was developed for.)

Also, in my case, the hypoglycemia was complicated by hypotension, which produces some similar symptoms and was fixed by eliminating statins from my polypharmacy. Fixing the hypotension really reduced the symptoms that had been attributed to the hypoglycemia.

Basically, if it's dumping syndrome, then the solution seems to be behavioral, which is to say, diet and exercise. I've added a LOT more fiber into my diet, which is a bit tricky when you aren't eating all that much in the first place. Also, since the problem seemed to be linked to morning migraines and overnight glucose lows, I started eating something with protein and fats (no carbs) immediately before bed (eg, hard boiled egg). If I were a better person, I would be exercising more regularly as well. In general, prioritizing protein and fats helps both the lows and the volatility, but I'm sure you are already doing that.

Sounds like they are trying to rule out the possibility that it's not dumping syndrome, though. If you haven't read this, you might want to: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK573079/.

I've recently been through a hunt for the basis of new peripheral neuropathy, and I have to say that the key thing I did was not to settle for "idiopathic". I was really stubborn, which finally led to a zebra diagnosis -- that is, something they swore to me in the beginning would not be the problem.

Ask them what they think the most likely causes are based on your symptoms/history/drugs/OTC supplements, how they expect to rule each cause in or out, how long it typically takes to diagnose them, and what you should be doing in the meantime to manage the symptoms. You should also ask whether there are any causes, regardless of likelihood, that should be ruled in or out as quickly as possible because delay could make treatment more difficult. (Beyond that, any discussion of low-likelihood possibilities can probably wait.)

You might also ask if there are mimics that could be causing your symptoms other than hypoglycemia, and that you should be exploring with some other specialist at the same time you are digging into the glucose issue. I can attest that this is possible.

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@projfan

Thanks for info. My primary said symptoms could be nero, cardiac or hypoglycemia. After my first bad episode in 2022 when almost collapsed at exercise class, they did a neurology workup to rule out a stroke. Everything came back normal and was told just monitor symptoms.

Symptoms are worse and more frequent, so now going to investigate hypoglycemia.

Thanks again for info, going read article you mentioned.

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Wishing you the best! I thought it was hypoglycemia when I almost blacked out twice in PT as well (which is what got me the CGM the first time), but pretty sure it was actually the low blood pressure.

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Wishing you the best! I thought it was hypoglycemia when I almost blacked out twice in PT as well (which is what got me the CGM the first time), but pretty sure it was actually the low blood pressure.

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@projfan
I experienced low blood pressure after surgery when lost weight. Your right, similar symptoms. I had previously been on low blood pressure but after surgery and losing weight, it was dropping to low. My provider took me off medications. Unfortunately my BP has increased and back on medications.

Do you take blood pressure medications or able to take your blood pressure when that happens?

I have blood pressure device at home so I can check.

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@projfan
I experienced low blood pressure after surgery when lost weight. Your right, similar symptoms. I had previously been on low blood pressure but after surgery and losing weight, it was dropping to low. My provider took me off medications. Unfortunately my BP has increased and back on medications.

Do you take blood pressure medications or able to take your blood pressure when that happens?

I have blood pressure device at home so I can check.

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@roch I'm fortunate in that my BP consistently leans low, so I can monitor the problem symptomatically -- I was on statins for cholesterol and triglycerides. I don't need to worry about a high BP (at least not yet). Going off the statins stopped the BP from dropping to the point where I had trouble when standing up, leaning over, exercising, etc.

After I dropped off the statins, my cholesterol stayed within acceptable levels (not ideal, but OK), but my triglycerides rose. I'm experimenting with omega-3-acid ethyl esters (the generic -- the brand is lovaza, which is insanely expensive) to address that problem. It'll be several months before I'm tested again to see if it's making a difference. I have no idea if it will also impact my BP -- we'll see. When I suggested it to my PCP, he basically laughed, because it's a drug that has fallen out of favor, mostly because the lovaza brand manufacturer set the price so high and pushed it so hard over a decade ago when it came out. By the time the generic became available, doctors had moved on to other drugs.

(This is a prescription form of omega 3s that has undergone clinical trials and has been approved by the FDA as a drug. At the worst, I expect it to be harmless and with minimal side effects, with the additional benefit of the FDA QA process, which I appreciate. I don't entirely trust OTC products, mostly because I'm never sure that what's on the label is what's in the bottle.)

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