Turning down invitations

Posted by jeindc @jeindc, Aug 29 4:50pm

Long COVID has upended our lives, that I know. For those who've had it since 2020, I do not know how you have survived if your symptoms are as bad as mine. And I'm just 2 years, 5 months in.

Here's where I need help/advice -- well, one thing: Bec of this, I retired from self-employment in Dec. 2024, tho' didn't announce publicly until May this year. (It just felt too awful after 44 years of my own biz.) All the usual "congratulations" posts on social media which, when a bit more like my contributions were like a pre-Celebration of Life! Nice to be alive to read it!

It's NOW - friends come into town and want to see me - for a meal or to come over; those in town think that now that I have all the time in the world I should be eager to see them or have them "make something to eat" and come over. I can't - literally CANNOT. To shower and put on clothes I'd want to be seen in takes up to 3 hours and wears me out. I am rarely not in pain. The exhaustion hits when it chooses - yesterday, I literally couldn't wake up - or I'd wake, and within 5 minutes, fall back to sleep.

How do you explain it to people, this awful illness about which only those of us with it know? I've put people off even for Zoom unsure I want to be seen or have the energy to talk. I'm still doing a bit pro bono consulting bec my brain needs stimulation. How many times can you say "no, thanks, tho' I so appreciate your offer" without losing friends? A dear friend called the description of our ills "organ recitals" which I know too few want to hear. How else?

It feels so rude when people want to be nice!
Thanks.
JE

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I've had this since Nov. 2020-an ER nurse in a pandemic, go figure. For me, I call them 'crash episodes' because I have crashed head on into a semi, at 100mph, hauling military missiles...then they go off and I am on fire.
I am only seen when I feel good and able to leave the house and I look perfectly fine-I am not hauling oxygen, a cane, wheelchair, missing body parts. I describe it to others as profound, incapacitating, overwhelming, leaden exhaustion-loosing days at a time. I wait as long as I can to get up to walk to the bathroom. Shower and hair puts me out. Food is microwave or Door Dash-when I feel like eating. I have groceries delivered, my bills are on autopay, my body has aged 20 years.
My life is divided into before and after. I used to be an ER nurse, at a Level I trauma center who not only prevented death, but sent electricity through the human heart and brought people back to life, ran 15 units of blood over 20 minutes into a trauma patient. I ran a half marathon for my 60th birthday. I was one of the top weight lifters at the gym, maintained a 1/2 acre garden, cooked for and hosted family events like Martha Stewart, traveled internationally. In short, I was Wonder Woman.
Now I decline concerts that I have waited a lifetime for, Cubs game over the dugout, Blackhawk games, anything social after 1:00 (if it is a 'good' day), dinner and a movie. sex knocks me out for 2 days, is it really worth it? I lost a 40year career due to stamina and cognitive loss-I am not safe. I'm stuck at home looking like Nick Nolte's mug shot. I am a mere shadow of myself. The only thing that has stayed the same is my social security number and color of my hair. I'm in counseling for grief from loss of what used to be my life, anger when I forget and do something that turns out to be overwhelming, lost a committed relationship and fear/dread of the next crash episode.
It takes what little I have to remind myself that I can take care of bathing, toileting, nutrition, dressing myself, shelter-the absolute basics of living. I could have had that truck hit me, had a serious stroke, be in hospice for caner, be in line for a lung transplant (like a woman I worked with), unable to walk, unable to live independently in my own home . I have worked with countless patients who can not. It is hard to remember gratitude-something I am working on.
What really got to me was media coverage of 5 years since the pandemic, no one talked about the lives left behind, especially the emergency providers who were out there 24/7 and what became of us-the physical and emotional toll 5 years later. Only a small handful of fellow ER workers are still there in my hospital; the experienced nurses are gone. The pandemic wiped us out, one way or another which frightens me for the future when I need help.

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I consider you miraculous. What I find with all of us is a remarkable push to live and that's what is amazing to me esp on days when I just don't wanna and then figure out how to do what I can. when I can.

I so hope you get the transplant and that it gives you more stamina.

And there ARE those of us who talk about the many health professionals who are lost to this. An article recently wrote about the nurse shortage has lead to "fake" nurses - that is people pretending to be and not vetted - practicing. THAT alone should be a wake up call to WHY so many nurses in particular are gone.

The emotional toll of giving up a loved career can be as painful as the physical toll. Here's to you - to others - and to healing and doing what we can.
Joan

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I've had this since Nov. 2020-an ER nurse in a pandemic, go figure. For me, I call them 'crash episodes' because I have crashed head on into a semi, at 100mph, hauling military missiles...then they go off and I am on fire.
I am only seen when I feel good and able to leave the house and I look perfectly fine-I am not hauling oxygen, a cane, wheelchair, missing body parts. I describe it to others as profound, incapacitating, overwhelming, leaden exhaustion-loosing days at a time. I wait as long as I can to get up to walk to the bathroom. Shower and hair puts me out. Food is microwave or Door Dash-when I feel like eating. I have groceries delivered, my bills are on autopay, my body has aged 20 years.
My life is divided into before and after. I used to be an ER nurse, at a Level I trauma center who not only prevented death, but sent electricity through the human heart and brought people back to life, ran 15 units of blood over 20 minutes into a trauma patient. I ran a half marathon for my 60th birthday. I was one of the top weight lifters at the gym, maintained a 1/2 acre garden, cooked for and hosted family events like Martha Stewart, traveled internationally. In short, I was Wonder Woman.
Now I decline concerts that I have waited a lifetime for, Cubs game over the dugout, Blackhawk games, anything social after 1:00 (if it is a 'good' day), dinner and a movie. sex knocks me out for 2 days, is it really worth it? I lost a 40year career due to stamina and cognitive loss-I am not safe. I'm stuck at home looking like Nick Nolte's mug shot. I am a mere shadow of myself. The only thing that has stayed the same is my social security number and color of my hair. I'm in counseling for grief from loss of what used to be my life, anger when I forget and do something that turns out to be overwhelming, lost a committed relationship and fear/dread of the next crash episode.
It takes what little I have to remind myself that I can take care of bathing, toileting, nutrition, dressing myself, shelter-the absolute basics of living. I could have had that truck hit me, had a serious stroke, be in hospice for caner, be in line for a lung transplant (like a woman I worked with), unable to walk, unable to live independently in my own home . I have worked with countless patients who can not. It is hard to remember gratitude-something I am working on.
What really got to me was media coverage of 5 years since the pandemic, no one talked about the lives left behind, especially the emergency providers who were out there 24/7 and what became of us-the physical and emotional toll 5 years later. Only a small handful of fellow ER workers are still there in my hospital; the experienced nurses are gone. The pandemic wiped us out, one way or another which frightens me for the future when I need help.

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@rinadbq - Yours and others medical service during those awful times was very much noticed and appreciated by many I’m sure, despite all the political insanity. I remember taking my husband to our ER for an unrelated medical emergency during the worst part of it and feeling so badly for all the ER nurses. They all looked so completely weary and battle worn. Our son lives in LA and his friend was an ER nurse there during the pandemic- she described the hospitals there as war zones. She eventually quit and did something else.

I’m so sorry you’re suffering and that life has taken such a dramatic turn. I relate! I became totally disabled with ME/CFS at 36 - (I’m 73 now) and life as I knew it came to a screeching halt. But humans are more resilient than we realize. Miserable and disappointing as living with chronic illness is, we are still us with character qualities and interests that can be developed around our limitations.

I hope you can achieve some level of improvement over time. It can happen. I was able to get to about 70% after several years and it lasted for quite a few years. During that time I was able to travel some and do concerts.

Wishing you all the best!

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Just realized I could've answered both in one and didn't. I so appreciate this additional information and especially the link. HOW you raised children and managed .. I do not know. We have one cat and after the deaths of 2 my husband wanted at least one more. I can barely manage one ... and her needs are NOT that of children!

A friend with ME/CFS has been helpful - she helped me feel comfortable about hearing aids, and doing nothing. It's the latter that's hardest! I'd worked for pay from baby sitting to a weekend job at 14 with only time off for surgeries and NOT working is the toughest. Yet, I have no choice. I can't.

I will read more at the site and continue to bug docs about looking for help - it has to be there eventually.
With gratitude and care,
Joan

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Joan, I don’t know how I did it either! It was so hard! Completely missed out on their elementary school years- cried a lot. Fortunately my health improved later somewhat for a few years.

I hear you about having pets. We had them when the kids were home but there’s no way I could take care of one now.

You mentioned chronic EBV. My ME/CFS was initially triggered by a nasty EBV infection that attacked my nervous system and years later caused axonal Polyneuropathy. I’m housebound mostly now and have recently needed to use an electric wheelchair when I go out.

These viruses seem to be at the heart of so many neurological diseases. And EBV seems to be particularly a culprit in many of them. I always wondered if Long Covid is a result of activated or reactivated EBV combined with Covid- like a perfect storm for those of us who seem to be genetically predisposed to it.

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I'm Joan - so we'll do that part!

This that you wrote "...knowing only those who really care, respect you, and may not be able to visit much, are the only ones who should be in your space as life is precious and our journeys need those supportive people who may not be able to fully understand yet add loving compassion we need." mattered so much. It's been harder for the last months because my best friend - local to me - and a huge help moved bec of her husband's illness, and two other friends, my age, died - one I think of long COVID symptoms tho' it was listed as pneumonia but he'd had al the other stuff for some time after getting COVID 3x even vaxed after the first two when we were able to get them. Learning to live w/o those who know you best and longest is what's difficult. I think I'm rounding a corner....

Your words and other here make such a difference in feeling less alone about symptoms and the whole thing. And I'm in the US (unsure where others are) and the restrictions on COVID vaccines now worry me. I got COVID once in '23 when my husband brought it home from an office team building. Mask otherwise always on, just off to eat ONCE and boom! Most of the people thus will not be boosted. I hope "here we go again" is not our "song" this Fall.

Joan

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I’m so sorry about the loss of your friends. Same here. My best friend who lived in another state passed in 2022 - She had been hospitalized with Covid the year before and I think it damaged her heart. We’ve been losing a lot of friends and family. To be expected though in our 70’s.

Such a bummer that so many people won’t or can’t get vaccinated now making those of us who are vulnerable even more so.

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Hi @db72. I have to laughingly admit I still dont know if I use the @ or real name correctly here after my 4 yrs of post covid and almost 40 yrs of now fully reactivated ebv🙃 This post meant to be as my moms name was Suz and she was the strongest woman I know going thru 3 different types of cancer. Oh how true the mindset “others just dont know” is so vital to literally maneuver each hour. Last week my lifelong dear friend said “she didnt realize” in her loving way and the polar opposite of a person I thought was my friend and helping me referred to this life I didnt want as exhausting and my crap!!!! For @jeindc and all others I hope you’re able to find healing peace knowing only those who really care, respect you, and may not be able to visit much, are the only ones who should be in your space as life is precious and our journeys need those supportive people who may not be able to fully understand yet add loving compassion we need. Quickest healing to everyone 🌈

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@law59 I think I commented on this under another comment. Duh. Old people and technology 🤣
Eesh, sorry about your “friend”. With friends like that who needs enemies? I’ve had them too, unfortunately.

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Just realized I could've answered both in one and didn't. I so appreciate this additional information and especially the link. HOW you raised children and managed .. I do not know. We have one cat and after the deaths of 2 my husband wanted at least one more. I can barely manage one ... and her needs are NOT that of children!

A friend with ME/CFS has been helpful - she helped me feel comfortable about hearing aids, and doing nothing. It's the latter that's hardest! I'd worked for pay from baby sitting to a weekend job at 14 with only time off for surgeries and NOT working is the toughest. Yet, I have no choice. I can't.

I will read more at the site and continue to bug docs about looking for help - it has to be there eventually.
With gratitude and care,
Joan

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Joan, so sorry about the EBV mention- Got that confused with another comment. Brain Fog strikes again. 😆

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Hello @jeindc,
I’m so sorry you’re suffering with this. I totally relate as I’ve had ME/CFS for 40 years. Saying no to pretty much everything and trying to explain my illness, even to doctors, when I “look great”, has been almost as frustrating as dealing with the many debilitating symptoms of it.

Long Covid and ME/CFS share many similarities. I’ve tried over the years to explain it but most people will never get it unless they have it or live with someone who does. They may be kind hearted (and some maybe not so much) but how can they possibly understand such a life altering affliction without experiencing it? It’s just so frustrating. We raised three children while I was sick and I honestly think they still don’t even fully get it. Thankfully my husband does and is now my caregiver and advocate.

I would suggest you check out Solve ME’s website for encouragement and information. This fantastic organization has been around since the 80’s and they now include Long Covid. I have sent their informative articles to people and posted them on social media to try to educate people.

Sending good thoughts and best wishes!
https://solvecfs.org/me-cfs-long-covid/patient-and-caregiver-resources/

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My goodness, that's crazy you've had that for 40 years!
I got that too, as I've mentioned before, in the late 80s, but it went away after about two years.
Now that I've succumbed to LC (for just over a year now), it feels very much the same as CFS/ME did. Pretty much just constant fatigue for me, which is a lot luckier than for many people with either disease.
I tend to the view that they are both the same phenomenon--some kind of post-acute-viral malady (usually), and I'm frankly horrified that after all these decades, there still seems to be no definitive answer to CFS/ME (and now) LC!
I do suspect that it does attack people's susceptibilities / weaknesses, hence the variability.
There had been over a billion (!) dollars set aside to research this, but with the CDC being clawed back and compromised, I'm not feeling particularly sanguine about much progress.
You must be one tough lady, and I respect and admire you for that!

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I'm Joan - so we'll do that part!

This that you wrote "...knowing only those who really care, respect you, and may not be able to visit much, are the only ones who should be in your space as life is precious and our journeys need those supportive people who may not be able to fully understand yet add loving compassion we need." mattered so much. It's been harder for the last months because my best friend - local to me - and a huge help moved bec of her husband's illness, and two other friends, my age, died - one I think of long COVID symptoms tho' it was listed as pneumonia but he'd had al the other stuff for some time after getting COVID 3x even vaxed after the first two when we were able to get them. Learning to live w/o those who know you best and longest is what's difficult. I think I'm rounding a corner....

Your words and other here make such a difference in feeling less alone about symptoms and the whole thing. And I'm in the US (unsure where others are) and the restrictions on COVID vaccines now worry me. I got COVID once in '23 when my husband brought it home from an office team building. Mask otherwise always on, just off to eat ONCE and boom! Most of the people thus will not be boosted. I hope "here we go again" is not our "song" this Fall.

Joan

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Hi Joan. Im Lisa and hopefully our posts will bring you some peace and answers to maneuvering the best way you can!🌈

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@law59 I think I commented on this under another comment. Duh. Old people and technology 🤣
Eesh, sorry about your “friend”. With friends like that who needs enemies? I’ve had them too, unfortunately.

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Hi Suz. No worries and appreciate those words of wisdom.

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My symptoms of post covid syndrome have not included exhaustion or fatigue, but those I did get have persisted since Sept 2023. Some resolved thank goodness. So, I’d keep hope alive that the symptom can fade.

Has anyone considered treating the exhaustion and fatigue as depression?

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@celia16 For those of us with exhaustion and lack of stamina, it’s been a long slow road to convince the medical establishment that this is definitely not a mental health issue. Many, but not all, health care workers now understand that something is physically wrong with our bodies. Tales of marathon runners, etc. who can barely climb a flight of stairs abound on the internet and in newspapers. I say to my family and doctor “I do get discouraged, but I’m not depressed (and I’ve experienced major depression so I understand the difference). Glad you are feeling better…keep it up!

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