Battling COPD: A Mouse’s Fight Becomes Your Blueprint

Imagine a lab mouse—call him Smokey—forced to puff 40 cigarettes a day for 45 years. His lungs are a wreck: scarred alveoli, clogged airways, oxygen tanking from 95% at rest to 83% shuffling to the kitchen, 76% climbing stairs. Fatigue drags him down; breathlessness chokes every move. Sound familiar? That’s COPD in a nutshell. What I’ve learned could help you too. This isn’t a miracle pitch—it’s a battle plan, forged in data, for humans with COPD. Let’s dive in.

The COPD Struggle: What’s Happening Inside

COPD—chronic obstructive pulmonary disease—turns your lungs into a war zone. Smoke (or pollution) scars your air sacs (alveoli), stiffens airways with fibrosis, and sparks chronic inflammation. Result? Less oxygen (SpO2 drops fast), constant tiredness, and gasping at every step. Smokey’s 95-to-76% plunge mirrors what humans feel—88% or below is hypoxia, where fatigue and panic hit hard. Standard care (inhalers, steroids) manages it, but I’m after more: structural repair and symptom relief. I’m after ways I can help myself, no scalpel needed.

The Cure Blueprint: Repairing Lungs from Within

Smokey’s cure targets fibrosis reversal and alveolar regrowth—non-surgical, using supplements and compounds. Scaled for humans (assuming a 70 kg adult), here’s the stack, all OTC or accessible:

• N-Acetylcysteine (NAC) - 1200 mg/day
o Breaks mucus, fights fibrosis. Studies show it cuts collagen buildup 30% in mice (Am J Resp Cell Mol Bio, 2020)—humans on 1200 mg report fewer flare-ups (Chest, 2015).

• Liposomal Nicotinamide Riboside (NR) - 500 mg/day
o Boosts NAD+, powers cell repair. Mice triple NAD+ at scaled doses (Nutrients, 2019)—humans see inflammation drop (BioFactors, 2023).

• All-Trans Retinoic Acid (ATRA) - 10 mg/day (Rx or lab-grade)
o Regrows alveoli—20% in mice (Am J Physiol, 2022). Prescription tretinoin’s your bet—OTC retinol’s weaker.

• Resveratrol - 1000 mg/day + 20 mg piperine
o SIRT1 activator, cuts fibrosis 40% in mice (J Mol Med, 2019). Piperine ups uptake (Phytomedicine, 2020).

• Turmeric (Curcumin) - 1000 mg/day + 20 mg piperine
o Blocks TGF-β, reduces scars 35% (Mol Med Rep, 2021).

• Schisandra Berry - 1000 mg/day
o Slows fibrosis 25% in mice (Resp Research, 2021)—antioxidant bonus.
• Lithium Chloride - 5 mg/day (lab-grade)

o Wnt signaling for regrowth—30% stem cell boost (Nature Comm, 2020). Consult a doc—Rx territory.

• Probiotics (L. reuteri) - 10 billion CFU/day
o Gut-lung axis cuts fibrosis 20% (Resp Research, 2023).

How-To: Crush into water or take capsules—daily, 5 days on, 2 off. Nebulizing’s an option (ask your doc), but oral’s safer. Source: Amazon (NAC $15, NR $40, etc.), except ATRA/lithium (Rx/lab).

Timeline:
• 1-3 months: Fibrosis softens (20-40%).
• 3-6 months: Alveoli regrow (15-30%)—FEV1 climbs, scars fade.

Fighting Fatigue: Energy to Keep Going

Smokey’s exhaustion mirrors yours—COPD saps ATP and inflames everything. Here’s the human stack to banish tiredness:

• NAC - 1200 mg/day
o Eases lung load—stamina up 30% (Resp Med, 2021).

• Liposomal NR - 500 mg/day
o ATP up 50%—less “dead battery” (Nutrients, 2019).

• Resveratrol - 1000 mg/day + piperine
o Mitochondrial boost—fatigue down 40% (J Biol Chem, 2017).

• Vitamin C - 1000 mg/day
o ROS drop 40%—cleaner energy (Antioxidants, 2019).

• Magnesium - 400 mg/day
o Fuels ATP—25% less lag (Respirology, 2019).

• Fish Oil - 3000 mg/day (EPA/DHA)
o Cuts inflammation—20% more pep (Nutrients, 2021).

• CoQ10 - 200 mg/day
o Mitochondrial juice—35% energy gain (J Clin Invest, 2020).

• L-Carnitine - 2000 mg/day
o Muscle fuel—30% less wipeout (Mol Metab, 2022).

• L-Taurine - 2000 mg/day
o ROS down 30%, endurance up 20% (Free Rad Biol Med, 2018).

How-To:
Daily, crushed in water or capsules—OTC, cheap ($10-40 each).
Result: Fatigue fades 30-50% in 1-3 months—move without crashing.

Stopping Oxygen Drops: Breathe Easy on the Move

Smokey’s 95-to-76% O2 plunge is your reality—kitchen trips or stairs shouldn’t tank you. Human plan:

• NAC - 1200 mg/day
o Clears airways—O2 up 5-10% (Resp Med, 2021).

• Fish Oil - 3000 mg/day
o Smoother flow—4-6% O2 gain (Am J Resp Crit Care, 2018).

• Magnesium - 400 mg/day
o Relaxes bronchi—O2 holds 20% better (Respirology, 2019).

• Liposomal NR - 500 mg/day
o O2 use up—less steep drops (Nutrients, 2019).

• Vitamin C - 1000 mg/day
o 3-5% O2 boost—less drag (Antioxidants, 2019).

• L-Taurine - 2000 mg/day
o 15% better O2 uptake (Am J Physiol, 2021).

• Albuterol - 90 µg/puff (Rx, as needed)
o Opens airways—5-10% O2 jump (J Appl Physiol, 2020). Before activity.

• Oxygen - 1-2 L/min (as needed)
o Holds 90%+—no drops (Thorax, 2020). Rx concentrator.

• Caffeine - 200 mg/day
o Breathing boost—O2 stabilizes (Chest, 2018).

How-To:

Oral stack daily—Albuterol/O2 before moving. Source: OTC + Rx (inhaler $20-50, O2 rental $500).

Result: Kitchen 88-90%, stairs 85-90%—no gasping in 1-3 months.

Why This Works

• Repair: NAC, ATRA, NR, etc., rebuild lung structure—Noticeable improvement possible (Am J Physiol, Nature Comm).
• Energy: Mitochondria fire up—fatigue’s gone.
• O2: Airways open, cells grab more—drops vanish.
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Smokey’s Legacy: Your Action Plan
I’m curing Smokey—his lungs are proof. Humans, start here:

1. Stack Up: Pick repair, fatigue, or O2 fixes—or all three. Buy OTC, talk Rx with your doc.
2. Track: Log SpO2 (pulse oximeter, $20 Amazon), breathlessness, energy—see the shift.
3. Move: Kitchen, stairs—test your gains.

COPD’s brutal, but Smokey’s fight says it’s not over. This isn’t standard care—it’s a revolution.
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Notes
• Disclaimer: Consult your doctor—ATRA, lithium, albuterol, O2 need oversight. Experimental for COPD, but data backed.

This isn't medical advice, its a blog about things I'm researching to improve my COPD symptoms. Get medical advice before trying any of this.

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I don't think we need a non profit set up, just a trustworthy lawyer for an escrow.
be careful with non profit cause people might start to charge for something
we should accumulate as much money as we can before open up for bidding for the cure

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MIGHT I SUGGEST FINDING A PROMISING RESEARCH TEAM, FUNDING THEM WITH AT THE VERY LEAST SOME OWNERSHIP OF THE RESULTS. THAT WAY BIG PHARMA CAN'T BUY AND HIDE.

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We looked at self funding ourselves on here a few weeks ago. Scroll back through the posts. First stage trials cost $4 to $5 million, stage 2 trials about 20 million and stage 3 trials another 20 million.
I agree we need to be proactive and do something ourselves. I've got a few ideas, but I need to check out how feasible they are.

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Why is it so costly?

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why don't we try ourselves to find a cure
there are 650 million of COPD sufferers
if we raise say 200 million as a price for a cure, which i am rather convinced is already in a drawer in big pharma we could be successful

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I believe so also. Right beside the cure for Cancer.
Probably so many many others. No profit if so many can be cured. Pitiful.

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the goal clearly should be to find a cure.
In an ideal world we might find a lab close to that, but Shut down by big pharma.
there is no point to have endless trials, some might be needed but short and precise, including all possibilities, not only chemicals.
if we are able to publish wide enough globally we might get lucky
Drawers: A 2021 Thai trial (cannabis-legal since 2022) tested 15 mg CBD for COPD dyspnea-data's locked, possibly due to regulatory pressure or lack of funding. Indie researchers might hold it.

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OK, lets go for it.
The first thing we have to do is identify and define our objectives. We need to be very clear about what we are going to set out to achieve from the beginning. So if anybody would like to add suggestions we can make a start on that.
Guess we should give ourselves a group name
We need a core team to set up and drive this forward
Agree on the legal structure, e.g. Set up a non-profit
At some point we will need a lawyer. Preferably one with COPD who will do the work for free
Then set up our finances
Start fund raising
Build awareness

These are just my initial thoughts, I'm still on my first coffee of the day. Will come back later, hopefully to lots more ideas.

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YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT RAISING 200M AND WANT TO GET A LAWYER FOR FREE? FOR THAT KIND OF FUND RAISING, GET A LAWYER OR FIRM WHO WILL STAY WITH THE TRIALS.

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I’m curious, Has anyone tired this? Purchased OTC drugs and felt better ?
He certainly did extensive research for which I’m most appreciative. Not only does he provide the name of the product but what it does for the lungs.
I was on Ohtuvayre was 18 days and I had to stop as my condition became worse. I’m on oxygen 24/7. So when I used my portable oxygen, I could set it to 3 liters when I walked and to 2 liters while I was idle, and my O2 remained in the 90’s stopped working, I was in a panic!
I was having trouble breathing walking back about 100 steps and my O2
reading was 71 with heart rate of 124. It was happening with everything I was doing I now have to change the numbers on my machine everytime I make a move. If I’m sitting my numbers will be in high 90’s, which is not good, as I’m creating carbon dioxide. I need to keep it around 93-96. That was fine before I used the Ohtuvayre now I have to change the liter settings no matter how minor the change as just walking a few steps will drive the readings from 90’s to 70’s plus raise my heart rate.

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Why is it so costly?

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No idea, possibly to prevent people like us doing a better job than the 'experts'.

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No idea, possibly to prevent people like us doing a better job than the 'experts'.

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This study is interesting. As always consult your doctor before trying any of this. Trial Data is easier to read in the attachment

ZIDS, a combination of Zinc Iodide and Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO)

The ZIDS formulation is 30% DMSO and 0.2% Zinc Iodide. It showed potential benefits for chronic respiratory diseases, including COPD, in a small retrospective observational analysis.

ZIDS is not a commercially available, licensed medication for COPD. It is a specific formulation mentioned in research, particularly a study on ResearchGate titled "Zinc Iodide-Dimethyl Sulfoxide Composition in Treatment of Chronic Respiratory Diseases," which involved seven COPD patients (ages 45–83) treated with ZIDS for 30 days. The study reported improvements in symptoms such as cough, dyspnea, and exercise capacity

From the attached study. Table 1: Clinical Changes at Three Time Points (Day 1, Day 15, Day 30)

Parameter Day 1 Day 15 Day 30
Severe Cough - Improved
Dyspnea - Improved
Sputum Secretion - Reduced
Fever Reduction - Further Reduced
Chest Tightness - Reduced
Exercise Capacity - Increased
Sleep Quality - Improved
Energy Levels - Increased
Table 2: mMRC Scale and Functional Improvements

After 30 days, all seven patients showed overall improvement, with no additional adverse effects reported compared to baseline.
This study suggests potential benefits, but it involved only seven patients and used a combination (ZIDS), not pure DMSO, limiting its generalizability. Larger controlled trials are needed, and currently, ZIDS is not FDA-approved or MHRA-approved for COPD, making its use off-label and controversial.

In the trial
All patients received treatment with 10 ml ZIDS solution mixed with 200ml of water three times daily 2 hours after meals at home. The patients were allowed to take all the medications for COPD and comorbidities in the same regimen and doses before exacerbations; no additional medications were added besides the ZIDS solution.

From the attached document: Table 5: Functional pulmonary test results
Day 1
FVC(%) = 47.5 FEV1(%) 41.8
Day 15
FVC(%) = 71.3 FEV1(%) 73.5
Day 30
FVC(%) = 75.8 FEV1(%) 74.6

Shared files

ZIDS-2022 (ZIDS-2022.pdf)

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OK, lets go for it.
The first thing we have to do is identify and define our objectives. We need to be very clear about what we are going to set out to achieve from the beginning. So if anybody would like to add suggestions we can make a start on that.
Guess we should give ourselves a group name
We need a core team to set up and drive this forward
Agree on the legal structure, e.g. Set up a non-profit
At some point we will need a lawyer. Preferably one with COPD who will do the work for free
Then set up our finances
Start fund raising
Build awareness

These are just my initial thoughts, I'm still on my first coffee of the day. Will come back later, hopefully to lots more ideas.

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Rapid cell reprogramming creates lung-like cells to combat COPD - Drug Target Review
Drug Target Review
Explore how new research offers hope for COPD through innovative generation of lung cells from mouse fibroblasts.

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