How do you get some answers?

Posted by sm80 @sm80, 3 days ago

I started having health issues in 2021 starting with fatigue then adding in GI issues, recurring SIBO/IMO, increased anxiety, brain fog and concentration issues, ringing in my ears, and increasing blood pressure. I had very mild COVID and only had the home tests nothing lab confirmed, and I did have several rounds of mRNA vaccine before I had COVID. I've been bouncing around between doctors and specialists and all tests have come back normal. I have asked about a possible COVID connection to what I have going on and it pretty much gets dismissed right away and the topic changes. I don't even know that long covid is what I'm dealing with but I have my suspicions. Any suggestions on how to try to get to the bottom of why I have all of these new issues and how to get on the path to feeling better?

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@arichards3

Your tests will continue to show 'normal' as all of mine did until I found the right person. Figuratively speaking, after going through the entire medical community around Charleston, SC and the Mayo Clinic in Rochester I refused to give up and turned to 'Dr. Google' and 'Dr. YouTube'. Very grateful for all the attempted help along the way, but nobody could help me, even Mayo (unless they've change their approach). I selected Dr. Bruce Paterson and his team, took his targeted blood test and surprise, the test showed many elements (for me 14) out of bounds. Some slightly, and some 100x! I was never so happy to have been called abnormal :). If you know about something you can usually fix it. I am about 4 months into his process and feeling much better, returning to normal for the first time since November 2021.

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P.S. You say that Mayo could help you (or could have helped you) if they would “change their approach.” 1. What WAS their approach? 2. What was wrong with it? 3. What better approach should they take? I have an appoint with Mayo soon, so your answers would be very helpful before I drive to their clinic in Rochester from Chicago. Thanks!!

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@stuartkjones4 1. Mayo tested me for multiple blood markers, more blood tests than I had ever had in my life, and a tilt table test, and a sleep apnea test. Multiple conversations with Doctors of various specialities and all tests showed normal. All that was September of 2023. 2. All tests and consultations showed normal although I was suffering from PEM, Exercise Intolerance, Brain Fog, Rocking sensation, and a terrible Head Sensation. I knew something was wrong, yet all tests and consultations returned normal. The balance of the program consists of a course of drug therapy (cymbalta and naltrexone) and virtual coaching from a nurse and physical therapist with an exercise program. 3. A better approach, I would compare what they say is their current approach to my description, and point blank ask them 'has your approach changed?' over the last couple of years. Mayo did help me with coping techniques such as limiting my physical and mental activity levels to avoid a crash. And as with any journey you learn lots along the way and once I 'checked the box with Mayo' it allowed me to make a decision to look for other help. In my life and profession I have always endeavored to find a root cause, a 'murder weapon' so to speak. Thats just one thing I like about Dr. Patterson; vascular inflammation is the root cause of our symptoms and he can measure improvement.

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@diverdown1

Your symptoms are also familiar to me. Mine started in 2022. I had COVID twice. I got it in January 2022, and then in March of 2022. June 2022 is when I woke up one day sick. I went to my doctor, got blood work. They thought I had RA. Epstein Barr Virus was reactivated and I tested positive for the anti-nuclear antigen titer. The RA doctor was useless and rude. Would not even consider my thoughts about Long COVID. I know that is what I have...3 years later. It is my experience that treating the symptoms is what is needed. Some can't be treated, like the tinnitus, and others. I have found that my ADHD medication (Vyvanse) helps me with fatigue and brain fog (some anyway). I also use Gabapentin and started taking Cymbalta. I do not like using medications, but I have to function. I do not know if you have post-exertion malaise (PEM), but I know in my case, If I do activities (even minor physically or mentally) the next day I feel awful upon awakening. I am in school online, and even writing a paper can cause the PEM. I have to pace myself. I have had to stop eating a lot of salt, sugar and can only drink water. Long COVID mimics so many other autoimmune diseases. I was tested for all of them and did not have them, however, my symptoms are similar to many. Find a doctor (primary care) that is willing to work with you on helping to treat the symptoms. Also, I suggest going to http://www.recovercovid.org
Hang in there...just for today!

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This is me!!! Oh my god I am not alone. And because I am a woman ( I believe) stress and depression seem to be the go to answers! That’s BS. Trying again with my PC doctor in June. I feel so useless. Each day is unpredictable. Will I be able to function or not? I never know. I hope I get help

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@stuartkjones4

It’s good to hear that you are doing better.
1. What treatment is Dr. Patterson using to make you better?
2. Which of your symptoms have improved?
3. Which specific treatment is used to treat each of your specific symptoms?
4. Where is Dr. Patterson practicing medicine?

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@stuartkjones4 1. Dr. Patterson's working theory is that vascular inflammation is the root cause of LC symptoms. He has developed a blood test measuring markers that verify vascular inflammation and other things. His blood test is the first and only blood test that showed my blood was abnormal. I was out of normal bounds on 14 elements, some 100x. His approach is a series of drugs and life style changes that cure vascular inflammation. 2. All of my symptoms have improved. I had PEM, Exercise Intolerance, Brain Fog, Rocking Sensation, Head Sensation. I couldn't exercise without a crash which then caused me to sleep for hours. A couple of my more troubling symptoms was a lack of motivation and an inability to focus on things for more than about 5 seconds. I don't know if those are additional to my listed symptoms or in addition. 3. As mentioned "His approach is a series of drugs and life style changes. I would add that he states an 80% cure rate and once you are done with his program you stay cured. 4. Dr. Patterson is in Houston, and all of his appointments (and those on his team) are virtual. Full disclosure, I don't work directly with Dr. Patterson. Like any good Manager, he divides his work amongst his team by symptom type. Once your initial blood tests are available, a decision is made whether you see Dr. Patterson or another Doctor on his team. There are tons of YouTube videos with Dr. Patterson. I highly recommend you spend the hours it takes to more fully understand what is possible.

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I found this article and I know that most of you probably already know a lot of this, but it does have some information that I did not know.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/25111-long-covid

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@stuartkjones4

You comment that you can drink only water. 1. What - specifically - led you to decide this? 2. Did your doctor tell you this or did you reach this conclusion on your own? 3. Which of your symptoms were exacerbated if you drank liquids other than water? 4. Which liquids exacerbated which symptoms - if you know? 5. If you know, did you tell your doctor? 6. Did your doctor have any opinion about your decision? 7. If so, what was it?

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I started having what felt like urinary tract infections (UTI). I went to my doctor and did not have a UTI. She referred me to a urologist that said it sounded like interstitial cystitis, however after she did an exam, etc., that proved to be false as well. I noticed that when I drank anything other than water, I had that UTI pain. So, I decided to just drink water. I have not had any UTI type pain or symptoms since. I will tell you, though, I would love to have a Ginger Ale!!! 🙂

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@barbiann

This is me!!! Oh my god I am not alone. And because I am a woman ( I believe) stress and depression seem to be the go to answers! That’s BS. Trying again with my PC doctor in June. I feel so useless. Each day is unpredictable. Will I be able to function or not? I never know. I hope I get help

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I understand. I have to just take each day and do what I can. I never know how I will feel. Hang in there!!!

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@diverdown1

I started having what felt like urinary tract infections (UTI). I went to my doctor and did not have a UTI. She referred me to a urologist that said it sounded like interstitial cystitis, however after she did an exam, etc., that proved to be false as well. I noticed that when I drank anything other than water, I had that UTI pain. So, I decided to just drink water. I have not had any UTI type pain or symptoms since. I will tell you, though, I would love to have a Ginger Ale!!! 🙂

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Hi Diver, I’ll buy you a ginger ale any time - to thank you for sharing you valuable information about drinking only water! So glad you have no more pain! I’ve recently had mild bowel discomfort, thinking coffee and diet coke caused it, so I’m going to give them up now and drink only water, thanking you for having the courage to relegate yourself to drinking only boring boring boring water.

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@stuartkjones4

Hi Diver, I’ll buy you a ginger ale any time - to thank you for sharing you valuable information about drinking only water! So glad you have no more pain! I’ve recently had mild bowel discomfort, thinking coffee and diet coke caused it, so I’m going to give them up now and drink only water, thanking you for having the courage to relegate yourself to drinking only boring boring boring water.

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PS. I’ll let you know how that works. If it does, count on a good old glass of delicious ginger ale from me. 🥂

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@stuartkjones4

PS. I’ll let you know how that works. If it does, count on a good old glass of delicious ginger ale from me. 🥂

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PPS. I have read that LC causes GI “symptoms,” though I can’t remember the nature of those symptoms. I think diarrhea is one. arichards writes that his doc says LC is caused by inflammation of the vascular system. Could that cause GI problems?

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